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Topic: A TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE!!!
AdventurousOne Joined Wed 04/02/08 Posts: 539	Sat 04/19/08 10:05 AM
This is where "common sense" and what's RIGHT should ALWAYS take presidence!!! This poor man had 26 YEARS OF HIS LIFE STOLEN!!! All due to man-made laws that were twisted into something they were NEVER MEANT TO BE! "Two attorneys recently revealed that their former client, Andrew Wilson, admitted committing the crime that sent Logan to prison, but attorney-client privilege had kept them from coming forward. Wilson's death last year allowed the attorneys to unseal an affidavit stating that Logan was not responsible for the fatal shooting of security guard Lloyd Wickliffe at a McDonald's restaurant in January 1982." full story on CNN at http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/19/wrongly.convicted.ap/index.html INJUSTICE grows quickly..but so few stand up to change it, simply because it has not hit them directly.....yet.

DrX Joined Sun 01/13/08 Posts: 1539	Sat 04/19/08 10:16 AM
INJUSTICE grows quickly..but so few stand up to change it, simply because it has not hit them directly.....yet. So does everything else in life, prevention is only thought of if the person is touched directly. Nobody truly cares for their brothers anymore, it's all about the wal-mart Amuricun Dream! Buy cheap, sell high, make profit at everybodys expense.

AdventurousOne Joined Wed 04/02/08 Posts: 539	Sat 04/19/08 10:23 AM Edited by AdventurousOne on Sat 04/19/08 10:24 AM
INJUSTICE grows quickly..but so few stand up to change it, simply because it has not hit them directly.....yet. So does everything else in life, prevention is only thought of if the person is touched directly. Nobody truly cares for their brothers anymore, it's all about the wal-mart Amuricun Dream! Buy cheap, sell high, make profit at everybodys expense. I have to agree with you! Selfish, self-centered, self serving ... I am ASHAMED these days of America! And I must clarify about the Wal mart statement. It is true NOW what you are saying, but it was NOT started that way by Sam Walton. Sam bought AMERICAN over EVERYTHING ELSE! Sam was a GREAT MAN of HONOR and INTEGRITY! It was only after he died did all that change and it became to disgrace it is now. Just had to let that be known...because Sam Walton was a GREAT man.

Bella_va66 Joined Tue 04/22/08 Posts: 4	Tue 04/22/08 09:45 AM
Sam Walton was first and foremost a BUSINESS man....may God have mercy on every poor soul that has been brainwashed by the WAL-MART propoganda. Bless your heart,you must be one of the wal-bots that service the machine. Read a few articles on the man and not the LEGENDARY god they make him out to be.

littleredhen Joined Sat 01/12/08 Posts: 6837	Tue 04/22/08 09:58 AM
Cases like this are why I cannot support the death penalty.

AdventurousOne Joined Wed 04/02/08 Posts: 539	Tue 04/22/08 10:03 AM
Cases like this are why I cannot support the death penalty. I am mixed on that one. I support the death penalty, but only in a case where there is absolutley no doubt. As in this case, the man professed he was innocent the entire time. I could not have a verdict for the death penalty in some cases. But now this poor man, has no recourse what so ever. And what's worst is there were two attorney's that knew this man was innocent but was not allowed to say anything. that's just wrong! There needs to be a safeguard.

Kevrides Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 203	Tue 04/22/08 10:21 AM
Mistakes are made. It happens. I hope it never happens to me. What does the injustice that was reported on have to do with WalMart or any business at all? Walmart has one seriously kick butt business plan. If you get ripped off by them or feel like they are negatively affecting you it is because you allow it. An educated consumer is rarely bamboozled. I am not ashamed of my country. I am however somewhat ashamed by those who try to destroy it by giving government power that they were never supposed to have. But less than being ashamed I am more motivated to fight against those not only wish ill for our country but those who are actually trying to undermine our liberties as we sit and type. The death penalty is now and will always be the best deterrent for those considering violent crime. Without it if they are incarcerated it's nothing more than a lifelong hotel stay for them on your tax dollars...suckers.

AdventurousOne Joined Wed 04/02/08 Posts: 539	Tue 04/22/08 10:24 AM
Mistakes are made. It happens. I hope it never happens to me. What does the injustice that was reported on have to do with WalMart or any business at all? Walmart has one seriously kick butt business plan. If you get ripped off by them or feel like they are negatively affecting you it is because you allow it. An educated consumer is rarely bamboozled. I am not ashamed of my country. I am however somewhat ashamed by those who try to destroy it by giving government power that they were never supposed to have. But less than being ashamed I am more motivated to fight against those not only wish ill for our country but those who are actually trying to undermine our liberties as we sit and type. The death penalty is now and will always be the best deterrent for those considering violent crime. Without it if they are incarcerated it's nothing more than a lifelong hotel stay for them on your tax dollars...suckers. Hmm. very good post!

littleredhen Joined Sat 01/12/08 Posts: 6837	Tue 04/22/08 10:27 AM
Mistakes are made. It happens. I hope it never happens to me. What does the injustice that was reported on have to do with WalMart or any business at all? Walmart has one seriously kick butt business plan. If you get ripped off by them or feel like they are negatively affecting you it is because you allow it. An educated consumer is rarely bamboozled. I am not ashamed of my country. I am however somewhat ashamed by those who try to destroy it by giving government power that they were never supposed to have. But less than being ashamed I am more motivated to fight against those not only wish ill for our country but those who are actually trying to undermine our liberties as we sit and type. The death penalty is now and will always be the best deterrent for those considering violent crime. Without it if they are incarcerated it's nothing more than a lifelong hotel stay for them on your tax dollars...suckers. Read the 1st line of your own post. I need no further arguement.

littleredhen Joined Sat 01/12/08 Posts: 6837	Tue 04/22/08 10:28 AM
The second & third paragraphs I heartily agree with.

Kevrides Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 203	Tue 04/22/08 10:48 AM
Mistakes are made. It happens. I hope it never happens to me. What does the injustice that was reported on have to do with WalMart or any business at all? Walmart has one seriously kick butt business plan. If you get ripped off by them or feel like they are negatively affecting you it is because you allow it. An educated consumer is rarely bamboozled. I am not ashamed of my country. I am however somewhat ashamed by those who try to destroy it by giving government power that they were never supposed to have. But less than being ashamed I am more motivated to fight against those not only wish ill for our country but those who are actually trying to undermine our liberties as we sit and type. The death penalty is now and will always be the best deterrent for those considering violent crime. Without it if they are incarcerated it's nothing more than a lifelong hotel stay for them on your tax dollars...suckers. Read the 1st line of your own post. I need no further arguement. I was not arguing. I am just stating fact. No matter the law. No matter when or where. People make mistakes. Some people make the mistake of reaching for a gun when angry and killing a loved one over a trivial argument. You can't let maniacs free to hedge against the remote possibility that a mistake may have been made in court. If there were a mistake it had to get through a jury of the convicted's peers. I seriously don't know how to improve upon that. Our justice system as flawed as it may seem is really the best in the world, maybe ever. From a compassion standpoint as well as the duty of enforcing law and exacting justice when law is broken. I'd love to listen to ideas on how we could improve the criminal justice system here in the USA. My suggestion would be to abolish death row. If convicted to execution a quick turn around time saves potentially millions of taxpayer dollars.

littleredhen Joined Sat 01/12/08 Posts: 6837	Tue 04/22/08 10:51 AM
Kev, what would have happened to to innocent man in the article if we did that?

Kevrides Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 203	Tue 04/22/08 11:01 AM
Well, that is a valid question. Up until this point he would have perished. If there were legislation to reduce wait times on capital punishment I would suggest some modifications to the trial procedures leading up to conviction. To be as certain as we can be that the accused is in fact guilty as charged. As always the burden of proof is on the plaintiff to prove guilt not the defendant to prove innocence. The "beyond reasonable doubt" thing would become even more important wouldn't it?

littleredhen Joined Sat 01/12/08 Posts: 6837	Tue 04/22/08 11:09 AM
I was undecided on the death penalty until a few years ago when then Illinois Governer Ryan halted executions because so many death row inmates had been exonerated. I then decided against it, because I do not trust the current system to get it right. I had other doubts, but this was the deciding factor.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 04/22/08 11:14 AM
it is a travesty of justice and yes....laws should be changed to have helped this man. i support the death penalty but like everything else...it's flawed and not perfect. the lawyers need to step it up and hopefully even better testing and investigation will come out of all of this.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 04/22/08 11:19 AM
Death penalty has not done anything for the determent of crime Death penalty quarentees that innocent men and women will die at the hand of the people of this country, that is all it does. As for this case in OP, I am sure this happens quite often. People know a person is not guilty but do not speak up for a variety of reasons. It is sad really.

Kevrides Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 203	Tue 04/22/08 12:42 PM
Death penalty has not done anything for the determent of crime Death penalty quarentees that innocent men and women will die at the hand of the people of this country, that is all it does. As for this case in OP, I am sure this happens quite often. People know a person is not guilty but do not speak up for a variety of reasons. It is sad really. There is no proof to confirm or refute your theory. I hope you are wrong and that this is a "once in a great while" occurance as I expect it is. The death penalty only guarantees that if you are convicted of a heinous crime against another human or humans that you will get what you deserve. If it is true that the death penalty has done nothing to deter crime it is because of our unwillingness to use it and or carry it out in an efficient manner. Years and years upon dozens of years sometimes with dozens of appeals all at a cost to the taxpayers to keep alive those who should be terminated for their crimes. Sounds like a plan.. to coddle the dregs of society.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 04/22/08 03:28 PM
don't do the crme if you can't do the time. I know that doesn't apply in this case though. but I have yet to hear any fool proof method to deal with crimes. until there is one....don't commit murder in a sate that has capital punishment. there is nothing out there that is a 100% guaranteed method to use

daniel48706 Joined Fri 03/16/07 Posts: 8566	Wed 04/23/08 05:43 AM
Mistakes are made. It happens. I hope it never happens to me. What does the injustice that was reported on have to do with WalMart or any business at all? Walmart has one seriously kick butt business plan. If you get ripped off by them or feel like they are negatively affecting you it is because you allow it. An educated consumer is rarely bamboozled. I am not ashamed of my country. I am however somewhat ashamed by those who try to destroy it by giving government power that they were never supposed to have. But less than being ashamed I am more motivated to fight against those not only wish ill for our country but those who are actually trying to undermine our liberties as we sit and type. The death penalty is now and will always be the best deterrent for those considering violent crime. Without it if they are incarcerated it's nothing more than a lifelong hotel stay for them on your tax dollars...suckers. If the death penalty is such a deterrant against violent crime, then why are there still those who commit it? All the death penalty is, is a way to make ourselves feel righteous in the act of murder. the one being put to death, is not threatening anyone at that present moment, he is not a danger to anyone in that area, so there is no self defense clause in effect. Now if he were to have a gun to you, and you managed to kill him while protecting you or yours, then yes you are justified in SELF DEFENSE. But to kill someone after the fact, when they are unamred and not an immediate threat is murder.

oldsage Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 18043	Wed 04/23/08 06:29 AM
Death penalty not used? Maybe THAT is the problem, to many appeals. Mistakes are made, these 2 attorneys COULD NOT come forward, because of how the laws are written. COMMOM SENSE is not used in the making of laws, anymore. Follow the money & look at the facts.