My good friend Rabbit made me this question on a thread I made called "The Secret:"

"Then explain your words in the context of all the people that wake up in Africa with nothing and the real threat of war at their door. Each one of them is a real human being that can use the "secret" so are none of them make positive thoughts?"

I kind of answered, but I wanted to back it up with a little bit more of science. Sorry for the delay .

I'm going to quoate Aristotle. On politics Book V, Article 11:

"As to (2) tyrannies, they are preserved in two most opposite ways. One of them is the old traditional method in which most tyrants administer their government. There are firstly the prescriptions mentioned some distance back, for the preservation of a tyranny, in so far as this is possible; viz., that the tyrant should lop off those who are too high; he must put to death men of spirit; he must not allow common meals, clubs, education, and the like; he must be upon his guard against anything which is likely to inspire either courage or confidence among his subjects; he must prohibit literary assemblies or other meetings for discussion, and he must take every means to prevent people from knowing one another (for acquaintance begets mutual confidence). Another art of the tyrant is to sow quarrels among the citizens; friends should be embroiled with friends, the people with the notables, and the rich with one another. Also he should impoverish his subjects; he thus provides against the maintenance of a guard by the citizen and the people, having to keep hard at work, are prevented from conspiring. All these works were alike intended to occupy the people and keep them poor. Another practice of tyrants is to multiply taxes, after the manner of Dionysius at Syracuse, who contrived that within five years his subjects should bring into the treasury their whole property. The tyrant is also fond of making war in order that his subjects may have something to do and be always in want of a leader."

This has been edited, in order to make the point and avoid unnecesary reading. I'm sorry if it's still to long.
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All this leads to the conclusion that this people in Africa don't have access to positive thinking (The Secret) because they are rule by tyrants. Ergo, the only thing they have known throught their lifes is negativity. They are bornm live, and die in negativity. It's cycle that will keep repeating as long as tyranny rules.


"It is natural that men who are brought up in fear should become servile in spirit and cowardly in the face of any difficult or streneous endeavor."

St. Thomas Aquinas
DE REGIME PRINCIPUM. Chapter III

TLW

Same goes for our homeless and poor, the ones on welfare. They are lost souls that have lost the will and fell under the guise of can't do it and hows. The soul must be fed to allow the spirit to grow and stand tall. Starve a body...it wastes away. Feed it...it becomes strong.

Kat

I have to make it clear(if it isn't already.) I like the scientific method. You ask the question , do the test get the answer yes or no. I feel this has done me wonders in most of my life. That is why I know this "attraction" does not work. No one could ever prove it in a real world setting.

Having said all of that,looking at the argument you give up there all I would have to do is search the net for people that have come out of those places hardest hit by the things I mentioned and gone on to be very successful. That would show that what you stated is not true.

Rabbit:

The law of Attraction is a law that IMO will eventually be scientifically proven. In fact, the power of thought is used by governments and feared by governments.

The fact that it is feared by government is in the original post. Tyrants fear the power of the people and fear their thoughts and attitudes, so they take measures to suppress them.

Propaganda and opinion poles are used in this country to gage and control pubic opinion.

Secret operations in mind control know the power of thought, belief etc. Hypnotism can cause a person to see, hear, and experience things that are not real by normal standards.

You can sit in disbelief all you want, but being unaware of these things only means that you will be the effect of them.

JB

there is an old saying around here.

It goes like this.

The tall cotton gets cut because it just doesn't look right sticking out from the crowd.

I just love it when militant Christians say ominous things like this.

Are you catching this LonelyWalker? This is what I meant by 'sharing' having an alterior motive in that other thread.

-Kerry O.

They say the pen is mightier than the sword.

That really reduced to the idea that thoughts are more powerful than actions.

There is a lot of truth to this.

But not all will agree.

In some ways it comes down to the difference between diplomacy and war. Which is more effective?

War appears to produce quick and dirty results. For this reason many people say that it’s the only solution.

However, it’s often been said that no war is really over until diplomacy has been achieved.

Men like Mahatma Gandhi, Neslon Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Jesus Christ, and many others have all had major impacts on the world using thoughts along (pure diplomacy).

But brute force has also left its impact on history as well from men like Alexander the Great, Adolph Hitler, George W. Bush, and many others.

It’s probably a toss-up as to which method has more of an impact on the world. Pure thought, or physical action? It does appear though that the acts of pure thought seem to have more pleasing results.

Just a thought.

Well we both mention science in our post's. Mine is one that cane be tested. Is yours?

If it is I know a way you can make a Million Dollars on it. The Amazing Randy will give you a million dollars if you can prove this theory is real.

You can put your beliefs into real action and do the Scientific community a great service by bringing a new "law" into existence.

Unfortunately I already know your answer is going to be something along the same lines I get when I ask people who believe in miracles why God does not heal amputees.


I think the reason the scientific method is so important is because we can all be fooled by something. If it makes you feel good to live in a imaginary world were elves and genies make your wishes come true well then more power to you. Just please don't try to pass it off as if it is a proven fact.

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Ghandi, Martin Luther,...etc

They were all men of action. They let themselves be physically beaten in the name of justice. They knew that to stand in front of the bully and let him beat you was not a sign of weakness but of strength. This has nothing to do with using mind power. If it did these positive men would have never been touched in there whole lives. They all were very positive thinkers that were killed violently by others before it was there end.

According to Wallace D. Wattles yes it can be tested.

It requires mental discipline, the ability to use your power of will and imagination / visualization. There is a certain process and formula that can be followed.

It has been tested with athletes. It was found repeatedly that to practice mentally along with physically (visualization, meditation) improved performance.

If you feel better believing otherwise and do not wish to consider the possibilities that is your choice in life, but I am glad there are people in this world who are creative and positive because they are the small percentage of people who make a difference in the world.

JB

JB:

I have heard you refer to a formula many times...

Could you write it out for all of us to see and test?

Yes but it would be better by far to read the following books and get a good understanding of the formula and how it works before doing your own "experiment."

Starting out, it is good to start with something small and attainable and practice the formula. Then when you get the feel for it, go on to other bigger things. They have to be believable. If you don't believe and if you don't intend to succeed, you won't.

When the thing comes to you, you might regard it as a complete coincidence, and it might not even be the result of anything you actually did yourself. Your intention alone can attract it to you irregardless of your personal action. It might come from a completely different direction. This has happened to me many times.

Mind you, if you are mentally lazy this formula will be hard for you.

Sometimes mental activity is more exhausting than physical activity. It takes energy and focus to think.

There are several different approaches to the formula, but the most important ingredient is intention. Without this ingredient, you chances of success are decreased quite a lot.

Also you need to become aware of the things that resist the manifestation. Negative thoughts that picture failure and disbelief in your success.



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Books to read:

"The Law of Attraction" (Esther and Jerry Hicks)

"The Science of Getting Rich" (Free on Line) Wallace D. Wattles

"Ask and it is Given" (Very Detailed instructions --Esther and Jerry Hicks))

"The amazing Power of Deliberate Intent" (Esther and Jerry Hicks)

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There are many other books. The Book "The Secret" grew from these earlier books. Other books had the same idea but may have lacked all the ingredients of the formula:

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Here is another good one: "Dr. Robert Anthony's Advance Formula for Total Success." (1973) ~~"For success minded people who want to go beyond positive thinking.


The formula involves knowing what you want. (This is sometimes the most difficult part for some people.)

Getting specific about it, feeling and thinking positive about it, visualizing, focusing on it, believing it is possible, intending, acting on it, going for it.

You can use this formula on the smallest things and on larger desires. You have to be willing to take action, but your action might not even be the thing that brings it to you. It might come from an unexpected direction altogether, as the universe is at work on bringing it to you also. The entire universe knows what you want... because after all, we are all connected.

I can give you some simple examples of the Law at work in my Life if you are interested. Where I fail in manifesting is that I am very mentally lazy, so when I don't use it, it doesn't bring me what I think I want, it only brings me what I think about.

You are always creating and manifesting your life. If you want to know what you are attracting or manifesting, just look around you. That is it.

JB

Great let me know when you collect the Million Dollars from the Amazing Randy and then the First round is on you

I don't really need his million dollars do I?

Well, there’s certainly a lot of truth to this even without invoking anything mystical.

You have to know what you want. That is the number one thing. And you have to be seriously intent on making it happen.

I’m convinced that had I wanted to become rich I could have easily become a multimillionaire in competition with Bill Gates over the course of my lifetime. In fact, I probably would have been in direct competition with him because I was interested in software at the same time he was starting out. In fact I had already written my own program that used ‘windows’ before he even invented his Windows OS. I also wrote a program that was basically a spreadsheet long before spreadsheets were popular.

But I did all those things as a hobby aside. I never even thought about trying to make money writing software. Making money just didn’t interest me at the time.

If you don’t focus on something you’re not going to manifest it. This is true whether you connect this with some sort of mysticism or whether you just view it from a purely pragmatic atheistic point of view.

You might say that my desire was ‘selfish’. Not that making huge amounts of money can’t also be considered ‘selfish’. But what I mean is that I was thinking solely in terms of my own private life. I wasn’t thinking about making an impact on the world. That’s something you’d certainly do if you embarked on an endeavor to become a major software industry.

My goal was to live a very simple back-to-basics lifestyle in the country. I was really bucking modern civilization to do this. Not that I wanted to be a rebel. But I simply wanted to live closer to nature. That has always been my driving force. I like things to be as simple and natural as possible. I even prefer to ride a horse bareback rather than using a saddle. Things like that.

Although, I never let go of the intellectual pursuits either, and I’ve always loved computers (mainly for their computational power, but now they’ve also become a powerful means of communication).

In any case, even though I knew what I wanted and focused on it, there were two major obstacles in my way. One was society itself. It simply didn’t loan itself to people living in a back-to-basics lifestyle. For example, my doctor wouldn’t accept a dozen eggs in exchange for an office visit. He wanted hundreds of dollars!!! Using horses for transportation in this modern world was also extremely impractical, and so on.

I was bucking the system even though it wasn’t my intent to rebel. I just wanted to live close to nature. Maybe I should have been more intense about it and moved to a more remote area. There were reasons why I wanted to remain where I did.

In any case, another part of my dream (and intent) was to find a mate who also wanted to live a very back-to-basic lifestyle. But that was also quite difficult. Most women viewed my lifestyle as being less than ‘secure’. Simple because it was based on low-income and doing most things for myself. They just didn’t understand that mindset. They wanted to live in the 20th century.

So being intent and focused really isn’t enough. You need to choose goal that fit into your environment and society. Like they say, “When in Rome do as the Roman’s do!”. It’s much easier to manifest things when everyone around you is prepare to accept those manifestations. If you go off on a tangent and try to do things that society views as ‘backward’ or ‘weird’ you’re going to have trouble manifesting them, especially if part of your plan is to obtain a partner who has those same goals (desires the same manifestations that you do!)

I agree with much of what Jeanniebean says, however, I think I’m more in agreement with in on a purely pragmatic level. I’m really not sure if any mystical powers are necessary.

However, there is one area where I tend to agree with her, and that’s in the area of health. I think you can cure yourself from disease if you simply believe that you can do it. But even that might not require mystical intervention. That might really be a result of the fact that if you believe your body will heal itself, then it will. We already know that the body has a natural tendency to heal itself. So beating things like cancer, etc. is just a matter of not believing the status quo and saying to yourself, “That’s baloney! I can beat this cancer!” And then you will. This may even account for religious people being healed. If they have faith that their God will heal them then that faith is what healed them (not the actual God).

It’s faith that heals. But where you place that faith is unimportant. All that matters is that you have faith.

I may have defeated myself in my own attempts to live a back-to-basics lifestyle by convincing myself that no woman would want to live like that. I started to believe it and so it became ‘my reality’ and I was unable to find a compatible woman because of my lack of faith that one existed.

That doesn’t mean that she didn’t exist. That just means that my lack of faith to truly believe she was out there quenched my focus and intent on going after her. After all, why would you go after something you don’t even believe exists????

Belief is paramount in that regard. And I even think this is my nemesis to this very day. I sincerely don’t believe that a compatible woman exists out there. Even today I still prefer a kind of ‘back-to-basics’ or unconventional ‘secluded’ lifestyle, and I tend to believe that most women prefer something a bit more ‘normal’. So my lack of faith that a compatible woman even exists keeps me from attempting to seek her out with intent. And for that reason I’ll never manifest a relationship.

No mysticism required.

You sound very much like me. I think I gave up on finding a compatible mate because I did not believe he even exists.

But discovering that problem, I did finally convince myself that he does exist... somewhere, but I believe that I would probably never find him at this stage of the game, and then I am not even sure I want a man or need one, so my hesitation of not knowing that I even want one keeps the situation from manifesting.

Then there is always the question, What do I have to offer him? How would I ever have time for a relationship while I am taking care of my parents? So it will probably not happen.

While we live in a world totally Dependant on society, electricity, grocery stores, etc. I desire to live off the grid independently and simply... although I want to keep my computer, I could live without it if I had to.

I recently ordered a book on how to live off the grid and my sister Karen is real good with things like that and that is our plan to learn how to do that and build our own wind mill and generate our own electricity. Her husband is a welder and he can build just about any structure we need for the project.

She is into gardening too, and we want to figure out how to grow food all year round with some kind of inside garden. Karen is also into natural healing and knows about a herbs and stuff so she is our "doctor."

Anyway that is what we are working on. It is a very creative project and we are going to do it with very little money and she said she is going to write a book about how we do each things.

If we live that long. We are getting up into what we used to consider "old." It keeps us out of trouble anyway.

JB

I thought you might say that. Every time I ask you to put rubber on the road you never will. I can see you do not want to have this tested in any imperial way because once it is proven wrong then what will you have.

Where there is smoke there is fire. Where there is nothing, nothing is there.

I have already tested it for myself. Others have already tested it. It works. Since it works, why would I waste my time and energy trying to prove it to anyone else? It has already been proven to many people. There will always be some who do not accept the proof. That is just the way it is.

I don't need his million dollars, and I suspect that any proof offered to him would be rejected anyway because he does not want it for some reason. (He does not intend to give anyone a million dollars. )

JB

I will simplify the whole thing and sum it up.

The Law of Cause an Effect is a scientific proven Law.

The law of attraction is an extension of that law taken to a quantum level.

On the quantum level, thoughts move things. Thoughts are vibrations and everything is made up of vibrations. Scientific fact.

There is nothing "mystical" or "magic" about it. It is all science.

Starting from the quantum level of being, thought energy, movement.. forms things.

Just because you can't see it with your limited perceptions does not make it fantasy.

I am not a scientist, and I don't plan to ever be one. I am a creator and an artist. I know how things are created.

I am just here to learn the skills involved with the formula. I'm practicing.

JB

I'm sorry. I'm not being able to understand. Honestly without sarcasm.

In statistics there is something called standard deviation which simply is how some data deviate from the average. In other words, there are always some exceptions to a certain rule which just confirm the rule itself.