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Edited by
Dragoness
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Tue 04/01/08 07:50 PM
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More people recieving foodstamps then ever before in history is not a valid slant? I would think it is a good barometer of the status of people getting by in this country. Either that or a good barometer of the upshift of immigrants coming into this country to collect from it. Well that is not true so it must be the other. And how would you know it is not true? You have immigration numbers to support that? 1,266,264 were given permanent status in 2006 alone. I bet at least some of them were collecting benefits that year as well. Immigrants do not get foodstamps unless they are refugees and then they only get them for 8 months to help them get started. Really? What law bars legal immigrants from the foodstamps program? I've never seen it. Maybe you could point it out for the rest of the class? As a matter of fact I can at that. Legal immigrants cannot get foodstamps until they have been here for five years past the date of entry on their green card, well, I do not think they call it that anymore, but regardless. I did the eligibility for the foodstamp program for 11 years. I am not sure where you can look up this on the internet but I know you can call your local welfare or foodstamp office and they will tell you the eligibility rules. Um.. if they're granted permanent residence status, they no longer have green cards. Nice try though. Wrong but nice try though  The cards cover all status of legal immigrants and it was the legal permanent status immigrants I was referring to. The others cannot have foodstamps at all ever.
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Edited by
wiley
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Tue 04/01/08 08:06 PM
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Wrong but nice try though The cards cover all status of legal immigrants and it was the legal permanent status immigrants I was referring to. The others cannot have foodstamps at all ever. Ok. I stand corrected on that. Now let's take a look at naturalized shall we? 1996 1,044,689 1997 598,225 1998 463,060 1999 839,944 2000 888,788 2001 608,205 2002 573,708 2003 463,204 2004 537,151 2005 604,280 2006 702,589 source : http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/yearbook/2006/OIS_2006_Yearbook.pdf So let's say for the sake of argument that 1% of those totals were applying for and getting benefits each year. Would that or would that not add up to a whole lotta money and increase the number of benefits being paid out on the food stamps program? Or are you going to assert now that every single one of them would be gainfully employed and have no need to apply for benefits? And then there's benefits being paid to children of illegal immigrants. |
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Let's go back to my original statement
So, once again the cut/paste Queen puts in her drivel. But I wonder - does she drive a car? That uses oil for gasoline and lubrication, and we all know she doesn't want us in the Middle East. Perhaps she would be willing to give up her car. Does she want/expect higher salaries every year? This adds to the inflation index - goods, be it 'hard' or 'services' cost more when you give employee's raises. Perhaps she would be willing to forgo wage increases. Does she purchase luxury items, such as cable TV, Starbucks, fancy clothes? These again are not required, they are luxuries which adds economic 'churn' to the inflation/recession cycles. Does she routinely go to the Giant or Safeway to purchase all her groceries, rather than producing her own from garden and local barter? Well, she wants a pay raise, but she doesn't want the farmers and trucker who provide this convenience to her to have a pay raise? What I "have in my craw" as you say is this - you cut/paste your Camelot views on subjects - cannot back up anything you say without cut/paste, and claim yourself to be 'all-knowing', correct in every opinion to the point of telling professionals in all fields they are wrong, yet you cannot even put in paragraph form any real world knowledge. ("Oh..I don't want to tell you about me" - bullsh*t) You are expecting wage increases? You have a 4 cylinder car - again, I ask - care to get rid of it? Probably not Do you purchase 'luxury' items such as listed above? Probably Garden - good start - I take it you have enough to feed yourself from it, and barter? Probably not. How much do you have in savings? Could you not work for an entire year w/o hardships? Probably not. So, once again - you whine and complain - but are part of the problem. What 'sticks in my craw' as you so speak - is you are too stupid to realize YOU are part of the problem. And here is a hint sister - cut/paste slanted views from your favorite liberalism and conspiracy theory websites - not the solution. Not even part of it. And let's clear up on other thing - trust me, I am not flirting with you. I would expect my future partner to carry on an 'intelligent' conversation and debate. You have proved yourself incapable in that area. At least others in here have disagreed with me, and provided some form of logic, without the need for cut/paste. |
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A recession caused by dumb people spending more than they had. That's what brought this about. Economists knew this was coming, the '80s and '90s took us from a people who save, to a people who spend excessively, so much so we spend what we don't have. Well, that's what the dumb people did. No, the recession was not brought on by lack of productivity, failure of business, lack of resources, or a lack of jobs, or high unemployment, we brought ourselves down because idiots thought they had a no limit gift card until the bill came in the mail. Idiots. How can you honestly let yourself get to a $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 or higher credit debt? I can't even fathom getting a $100 credit debt that I didn't pay off at the end of the month. Idiots. We shot ourselves in the foot. With all the great advantages, possibilities this country has given us, idiots are going to collapse us because they were stupid and credit companies, and lending institutions were too stupid to actually believe they would ever get their money back. Idiots, they weren't CONSERVATIVE with their money and now look where we are. |
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ok....correct me if I'm wrong (not sure why I'm saying this because I will get different opinions from every angle)
But he recession started during Clinton's term |
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A recession caused by dumb people spending more than they had. That's what brought this about. Economists knew this was coming, the '80s and '90s took us from a people who save, to a people who spend excessively, so much so we spend what we don't have. Well, that's what the dumb people did. No, the recession was not brought on by lack of productivity, failure of business, lack of resources, or a lack of jobs, or high unemployment, we brought ourselves down because idiots thought they had a no limit gift card until the bill came in the mail. Idiots. How can you honestly let yourself get to a $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 or higher credit debt? I can't even fathom getting a $100 credit debt that I didn't pay off at the end of the month. Idiots. We shot ourselves in the foot. With all the great advantages, possibilities this country has given us, idiots are going to collapse us because they were stupid and credit companies, and lending institutions were too stupid to actually believe they would ever get their money back. Idiots, they weren't CONSERVATIVE with their money and now look where we are. actually, no. this recession was brought on by outsourcing our jobs, ( which should be treason), "free trade", which has historically never worked, so why should it work now??? investments sit in the bank and dont do anybody any good, its when we all buy houses, widgets, ect, which creates jobs, and keeps the money rolling thru the economy. This business of sending our jobs overseas without any tariffs on incoming goods is the problem. is a person who bought a house then looses thier job because the factory moved to china dumb? is this person an idiot? dont think so. the idiots are the ones who still support these self destructive practices. ( liberal/ commie college professors for example)... teaching why there are 25 reasons that outsourcing is wonderful... or our politicians.... everyone seems to forget that it was the clintonistas that got this whole outsourcing thing going in the first place. Granted, lil bush hasent done anything to reverse it..... |
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http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/luskin200405050850.asp
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ok....correct me if I'm wrong (not sure why I'm saying this because I will get different opinions from every angle) But he recession started during Clinton's term everyone seems to think that things were much better economuically during the clinton regime... which it was. the catch is that under thier watch free trade and outsourcing were implemented. Also lets not forget higher taxes and more big govt. lil bush inherited a big fat mess is what happened. a ticking bomb waiting to go off, and then be blamed on him. I was there, saw it all happen. sorryaboutit. this isnt the lib/ commie reveisionist history, its what happened. |
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ok....correct me if I'm wrong (not sure why I'm saying this because I will get different opinions from every angle) But he recession started during Clinton's term everyone seems to think that things were much better economuically during the clinton regime... which it was. the catch is that under thier watch free trade and outsourcing were implemented. Also lets not forget higher taxes and more big govt. lil bush inherited a big fat mess is what happened. a ticking bomb waiting to go off, and then be blamed on him. I was there, saw it all happen. sorryaboutit. this isnt the lib/ commie reveisionist history, its what happened. ok then can you explain to me (maybe I'm not as bright as some) how all the blame is put on Bush then? Because I KNOW Clinton was no angel in MANY ways 
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i think i already explained that.... plus he hasent done anything to reverse the process.
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Edited by
rambill79
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Wed 04/02/08 07:49 AM
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150 years from now, the clintons will be recognised for what they are.... the most destructive, anti moral, lying regime in our history. the people who brought us "free" trade, a scandal a week, oral sex isnt sex, janet reno/ waco, ruby ridge, selling military secrets to china one blow job at a time, ect. ect. ect.
how soon we forget. |
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i think i already explained that.... plus he hasent done anything to reverse the process. i know YOU explained it...but many still won't see it but ty for your help though 
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A recession caused by dumb people spending more than they had. That's what brought this about. Economists knew this was coming, the '80s and '90s took us from a people who save, to a people who spend excessively, so much so we spend what we don't have. Well, that's what the dumb people did. No, the recession was not brought on by lack of productivity, failure of business, lack of resources, or a lack of jobs, or high unemployment, we brought ourselves down because idiots thought they had a no limit gift card until the bill came in the mail. Idiots. How can you honestly let yourself get to a $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 or higher credit debt? I can't even fathom getting a $100 credit debt that I didn't pay off at the end of the month. Idiots. We shot ourselves in the foot. With all the great advantages, possibilities this country has given us, idiots are going to collapse us because they were stupid and credit companies, and lending institutions were too stupid to actually believe they would ever get their money back. Idiots, they weren't CONSERVATIVE with their money and now look where we are. actually, no. this recession was brought on by outsourcing our jobs, ( which should be treason), "free trade", which has historically never worked, so why should it work now??? investments sit in the bank and dont do anybody any good, its when we all buy houses, widgets, ect, which creates jobs, and keeps the money rolling thru the economy. This business of sending our jobs overseas without any tariffs on incoming goods is the problem. is a person who bought a house then looses thier job because the factory moved to china dumb? is this person an idiot? dont think so. the idiots are the ones who still support these self destructive practices. ( liberal/ commie college professors for example)... teaching why there are 25 reasons that outsourcing is wonderful... or our politicians.... everyone seems to forget that it was the clintonistas that got this whole outsourcing thing going in the first place. Granted, lil bush hasent done anything to reverse it..... The outsourcing of our jobs was caused, like I stated before, by the unyielding growth of the unions in unskilled industries. It created lack of incentive to boost productivity and sent wages for unskilled workers through the roof. Outsourcing unskilled jobs is the way an advancing society should go, especially one whose unskilled work force was owned by the labor unions. Like I stated at length, many unskilled works used the government programs to go back to school, at the cost of the government, to become skilled workers. As skilled workers they now make many times more and skilled labor has gone on a rapid increase. Plus, what hasn't been in recession, never can be outsourcing, are jobs that are always in supply and can never been fully employed. Ever look in the newspaper and see how many truck drivers, heavy machinery job offers there are out there? Every single week these jobs are advertised, in high demand. Those who lost jobs due to outsourcing and do not wish to adapt and educate or move to jobs with security should look at their own responsibility to getting out from where they are. In a hightech society that is technologically advancing in incredibly rates the unskilled jobs need to be moved elsewhere to make way for more hightech and skilled jobs. |
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Thought I should let you all know that the photo that accompanied the "USA 2008: The Great Depression" article is from 2005 and it was a Charity Drive to give out free coats!!! The paper knew this but used the photo anyways because it looked good.
Here is the real caption to the photo, that the UK paper seemed to refrain from using on their own site...geez, I wonder why: "NEW YORK - NOVEMBER 30: People wait on line to receive donated coats at the kickoff of the 17th annual New York Cares Coat Drive a the Bowery Mission November 30, 2005 in New York City. Bloomberg helped give out coats to residents of the Mission and the coat drive hopes to collect and distribute 80,000 coats to needy New Yorkers by New Years. (Photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)" - http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=1&language=en-US&family=editorial&p=New%20York%20Mayor%20Hands%20Out%20Coats%20To%20The%20Poor%20&src=standard# So, we've been in a recession, no a depression for 3 years already? I remember 2005 pretty well, don't seem to remember recession talks back then, there weren't even any signs. |
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Edited by
Starsailor2851
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Wed 04/02/08 12:01 PM
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We gained 400 points in the DOW yesterday and it was on the rise again today, then Bernake states well we might be in a recession for a few months and then the DOW suddenly takes a dive. Thanks alot Bernake...lol. However, he did say that growth was expected later this year.
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Thought I should let you all know that the photo that accompanied the "USA 2008: The Great Depression" article is from 2005 and it was a Charity Drive to give out free coats!!! The paper knew this but used the photo anyways because it looked good. Here is the real caption to the photo, that the UK paper seemed to refrain from using on their own site...geez, I wonder why: "NEW YORK - NOVEMBER 30: People wait on line to receive donated coats at the kickoff of the 17th annual New York Cares Coat Drive a the Bowery Mission November 30, 2005 in New York City. Bloomberg helped give out coats to residents of the Mission and the coat drive hopes to collect and distribute 80,000 coats to needy New Yorkers by New Years. (Photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)" - http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=1&language=en-US&family=editorial&p=New%20York%20Mayor%20Hands%20Out%20Coats%20To%20The%20Poor%20&src=standard# So, we've been in a recession, no a depression for 3 years already? I remember 2005 pretty well, don't seem to remember recession talks back then, there weren't even any signs.  really?
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is there a link to the story the OP posted?
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Well since Dragoness committed plagerism by not posting it herself, I will do the right thing, I will post the orignally link to the story.
"USA 2008: The Great Depression" By David Usborne in New York. April 1, 2008: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/usa-2008-the-great-depression-803095.html Maybe this was suppose to be an April Fool's joke? Here again is the link to the Getty photo gallery: http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=1&language=en-US&family=editorial&p=New%20York%20Mayor%20Hands%20Out%20Coats%20To%20The%20Poor%20&src=standard# In that link it shows many photos from that event the pic was taken from. As well, this was the 17th annual coat drive!!! |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Wed 04/02/08 01:08 PM
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ok...so the photo attached has NOTHING to do with food stamps or the article???? that doesn't seem very credible to me.
this is why i chose to believe fist hand or personal knowledge before things writen or the media
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