That is not considered credible evidence by many people. If you want to believe it on faith alone, go ahead, who’s stopping you? To convince anyone else, it would have to pass the test of scientific scrutiny.

I did read many of the posts here but not all of them. This is an age old controversy between science and religion.

Religion is of course obviously wrong.

The question I would pose to religious people is this:

If you believe your God is Almighty and the Creator... then could not such a Creator create things that evolve?

Can you honestly dispute your Gods plan or design by saying no?

Many people say "it is Gods will" or "it is in Gods hands."... yet they limit what they think their God can do when it comes to the topic of evolution.

Obviously, practically and verifiably, evolution happens and is happening all around us.
If your God or Creator rules all of the universes and more, it must be the Creators hand at work.

It is easy to reconcile Religion and Science in this field if you consider what I am saying.

RW Mountain

You get your god from the Bible? Who do you think put the Bible together? .... THE CHURCH.

If you think god did it, think again. (It was men.)

I would think you would know that.

Those people who are supposed to be "witnesses" to Jesus' crucifixion, have all been dead for 2000 year(if they ever truly lived at all)
Nothing in writing is an actual eye-witness account.

I was wondering when you were going to get to the "No True Scotsman" argument.

Of my examples I listed, The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition, were carried out by the church.

I will tell you the same thing that I have told the others who have used that argument. It is not up to you to determine who is "True" and who isn't. IF there is a God it is up to him, and him alone.

"Mythology and the bible should not be mixed with each other."

I am not mixing mythology with the Bible. I evaluate all information equally. The Bible is no different from any other information.

Of course you can disagree, I was quite sure you would. I respect your choice to believe what you want.

However in truth, you have no idea if the people in the Bible were "real" people or not. They could just have easily been fictional. Some could have been real people and then others fictional.

The Bible is a collection of writings put together to form a new religion. It was put together by men.

Before the Greek Gods were dismissed as "mythology" they were worshiped as real just as you worship your Bible and your god as real.

But ultimately the individual decides what he will regard as "real" or not.



Hi Jeannie,

The bible is a book of historical and biblical events along with facts that happened and were prophocized,it is not about magical mythical creatures.

Ancient Greek gods and goddesses are mythical.!!! The ancient Greek gods and goddesses have no definite foundation, which makes them even more of a fantasy and fiction.

Again, I respect your views with regard to your belief system.

Sally

And what does "Israel" represent?

I believe it represents a genetic bloodline.

The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Witch Trails. Even today, the war on Terror has been made into a Religious war, because of statements made by Bush, and the fact that the insurgents and the Taliban, are killing soldiers in the name of "Allah"(which is ultimately just another name for God)



So, when Someone is claiming to have "proof" that a book may be right, that is perfectly acceptable.

When someone else, using the Scientific Method, and continually test and re-test the theories, and have actual proof that the book is wrong, they can't be trusted.

It is a cop-out, because you are not trying to understand it, you aren't asking questions. Because of your faith in "God", you are willing to stay at your current level of intelligence.



And all those people, Are connected to the church in some way, so of course they have a reason to lie, and claim that as fact.



Right. "God" is merciful, and kind. That's why his death-toll in the bible is more than Satan's. Right?



Where did I say that I don't believe in God because life "didn't work out the way I wanted to"? You do realize that God is the leading cause of death today, right?

So, go ahead and believe, the blood of those killed in his name, what be on my hands.

Sally,

You call them devils or fallen angels, I call them aliens. 2000 years ago, any kind of advanced civilization would have been looked upon as gods.

Any leader of these so-called 'gods' would have been jealous of the others and demanded that no other god be worshiped but him. I do indeed see the connections in Biblical legend and myth and the aliens who "fell to the earth."

Yes, they were rebels and they rebelled against their administration, ruled by a draconian queen.

Indeed, there is a lot of "deceit" going on in order to hide the true origins of these non-human lifeforms you call fallen angels and "Satan" who mated with human women and whose offspring were "giants among men" or "men of renown."

They consider themselves the master race, and better than the average human. Their descendants are the royal families and the "chosen people." In the Bible they are referred to as "the sons of Cain" and spawn of the evil one.

Hi Jeannie,
I respect your views, however I dont agree with them. Mythology and the bible should not be mixed with each other. We have to
seperate the biblical with mythological entities here.
The prophets and people in the Bible were indeed real people, along with the Church fathers, historians,etc.,this is fact. The Chosen people in the bible represents Israel.

Have a good day.
Sally

If the stories are from god, why aren't you taking them literally?



Everything can be explained logically. Saying something is a miracle is a cop-out to doing the work to figure it out.



Before you can claim them as witnesses, you first have to prove they exist.



Since the god of the bible is a jealous, megalomaniac, No.



The actions of supposed "Men of God". And myself opening my eyes to what religion really does in this world.

Oh yea of course saly, we all know satan put all dem fossil in da ground to tricks us.

Satan also setup the entire genetic code so dat we would see dos fossils as telln a story of evolutionism.

yea . . .


JB, if you are not willing to watch the videos, I am not willing to discuss this with you. The videos summarize and expound on far more information then I could do in the same amount of time. Watching them is far better for a lay person then reading for the same amount of time.

Can you prove god exists?



Yes, I understood, and still understand, the bible. I also see it has nothing more than fictional stories made up to control man.



Science has already disproven many of the stories in the bible.



You realize that the only real "evidence" of Jesus is the bible, right? Also many religions(that predate Christianity) have a god story similar to the Jesus story.

Horus, an Egyptian God is one.



Science has already proven many things in the bible to be false, and one day, we will understand why medical "miracles" just happen. Just because we don't know why they happened, doesn't make them miracles.

I don't have a problem with that. You may even find us connected to elephants and tigers somewhere in the DNA or in the information contained within a single atom.

I also have can see evolution within a species as they change and adapt. It's the breaking off points that lead to a new species and how that happens that are unclear.



Fantasy scenarios? I don't call it that. I think there is sufficient evidence to support the alien theory.

But you misunderstand. I am not looking for proof to support the alien theory. I am looking for proof against it. Therefore I would have to nail down and understand the exact process of how a lemur (or whatever) would change into a homo erectus and then from there evolve into a modern homo sapian and develop a modern civilization in such a short time without outside intervention.

It is not just evolution I am looking at here. It is a combination of a lot of other information I have gathered that all points to the alien or advanced civilization influence. It is overwhelming and it is the best explanation I have come up with. It is far from "fantasy."


Hello,

I hope you dont mind me putting my 2cents in here, but with regard to the Alien encounters
and or theory,
is it possible it could be Satan himself decieving mankind once again regarding the creation factor by creating illusions and deceptions,after all he is a fallen angel and is
Gods greatest advesary.

If you support this so called evidence on
alien society, why not look for an explanation on angels and demons as there is a spritual war going on as we speak in another realm.

I find far more evidence to support God,creation,miracles and the meaning and purpose of us human beings just being here.

What would be our meaning and purpose anyway on this planet.?

Sally

I will state for the last time I was raised in a Christian household. Yes I have read the bible, several times in fact.



So, you're going to call me ignorant, but base what I have done, on your definition of a Christian, and Hitler.




I have come to my own understanding of what it is to be a Christian from my time AS a Christian. Again, I was raised (for 18+ years) in a Christian household. That time gives me a good understanding of what it is to be a Christian.




Well, from what you have posted as your definition of a Christian, any rational person can see that by your definition, it would be very difficult for Jesus(IF he truly existed) to be a Christian.



Again, 18+ years as a Christian, I have read the bible, and even now as an Atheist, I would say I understand it more than most Christians out there.

It always comes down to the fact that evolution is science which deals in provable facts and religion which deals in unprovable beliefs.

There is no crossing of these two except in religious minds that feel it threatens their beliefs. But it really doesn't because one is fact based and the other is belief based.