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what the hell...
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raiderfan_32
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psychopath n 1. A person with an antisocial personality disorder, especially one mainfested in aggressive, perverted, criminal or amoral behavior.
No where in this definition is there any indicant that the person isn't or cannot be held accountable for his behaviour or not being in his right mind. nice try.. next. and are you really asserting that Maj Hasan should not be held to account for his actions?? really???? yes that is a dictionary definition of the term. NOW, go look up the American Laws concerning people who suffer from Psychosis, and also reference historical court cases involving people who suffer from various psychosis. In a case where a man claims to suffer from a psychosis the judge is required by law to immediately order the accused into psychiatric evaluation, and the case is postponed until that review has been given. In many cases a judge will require two or three psychiatrists to make a determination in order to make sure it is as accurate as possible. So nice try to you for trying to confuse the issue. However, I rest by my words, and by what I have seen and watched happen. In regards to Major Hasan, I say he should undergo a psychiatric exam, by civilian doctors (yes civilian, because he is not going to receive an unbiassed exam from military professionals), and determined whether or not he was suffering from anything that would suggest he was not in his right frame of mind at the time of his actions. Whether you like it or not buddy, the United States is a great place because it gives freedom to due process, and the right to be innocent until proven guilty to every single person, no matter the situation or personal feelings of others involved. This Major has the right to be seen by a medical professional, and determined whether or not he was sane. typical.. loosing the arguemnt so you attempt to shift the ground.. you assert that a psychopath can't, by law and by definition, be held responsible for his actions etc because he's not in his right mind... then bring me the word "psychosis" ok, again from American Heritage Dictionary psychosis adj. A severe mental disorder, with or without organic damage, characterized by derangement of personality and loss of contact with reality and causing deterioration of normal social functioning. Ok.. that's a different animal than psychopathic psychopathic adj. 1. Of, or related to, or characterized by psychopathy. 2. Relating to or affected with an antisocial personality disorder that is usually characterized by aggressive, perverted, criminal or amoral behaviour. Ok? so there are two different terms you want to play here.. Your orinal assertion By the very definition of the term "psychopath" a person who suffers from this affliction can not be held accountable because he is not in his right frame of mind! psychopathology isn't a specific affliction. it characterizes a class of afflictions and doesn't indicate, by definition or by law, that the person isn't in his "right" mind.. it just means the person is antisocial, aggressive, perverted, criminal or amoral then you bring in the red herring "psychosis", a specific term relating to having suffered a break with reality.(again, shifting the ground of the debate) equating the two is a false premise. and you know it your arguement fails.. 
Now.. Does Maj. Hasan deserve due process? By American Law? yes.. of course, he does. anyone charged with a crime does. I get the feeling you just like arguing against me.. here's a new topic.. "The sun rises in the east" |
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Over 10% unemployment
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10 months, or even a year isn't that long. He started with a mess, is in pretty deep and has a lot to prove. He is our first African-American President. I'm just saying it's a bit early to be pointing fingers. If I did point a finger right now, it definitely would not be at Obama. I wouldn't try to get into a debate about this, I will admit myself that I am far from an expert in politics. It isn't my area. Let's say that I look at the sky and see that it is blue, and most everyone else sees that it is blue because it is unlikely that we would all witness different wave-frequencies of light. Let's say that someone standing next to me says that it is red, and proceeds to give me what he or she thinks is a good argument supporting it. Even someone like me is going to feel inclined to step forward and object, mostly out of sheer surprise that that person actually managed to come to that conclusion. All I'm saying is that it is obvious that the sky is blue. what on God's green earth does his being black have to do with anything?? I mean, really... is that supposed to make me feel all gooey inside? He's just the 44th president of the United States as far as anyone who's not positively fixated on race is concerned.. His heritage and ethnicity are of little concern to me.. what is of concern to me are his ideologies and his political philosophies.. How does he view the Constitution? What does he think the role of a judge is? How will he carry out the duties of his office? Will he be an effective commander-in-chief? or will he be asleep at the switch? Will he respect the limitations placed on the office (and the government for that matter) by the Constitution?? Those are the issues that concern me.. And they're the only issues that need concern the American people in such a pivotal and serious time in our history.. "...the content of his character, not the color of his skin..." (sound familiar?) I think the post about his race was relevant because as a HISTORIC president, he is being watched more closely and by more around the world. By nature of him being a FIRST,,,kind of like Tiger Woods... Same thing would be true if Hilary had won as the first Female President. all presidents are historic.. maybe that's the difference in the way I think compared to that of many others.. Ok, so he's (part) black.. He's also part white.. big deal. we're over it now what concerns me is that he's ALL American.. and no, that's not a birth certificate reference.. What I mean is, Is he all-in for America? his stated views on the Constitution deeply concern me Raider, you are tooo funny Bro! 
You state "his stated views on the Constitution deeply concern me" How about when Republican Minority Leader JOHN BOEHNER was speaking at a recent Tea Bagger rally at the Capitol, was holding a copy of the CONSTITUTION in his hand and then misquotes it....starts quoting the Declaration of Independence!
Now if President Obama had done that, I am sure you guys and FOX would have been all over him!!
what's one got to do witht the other? really? Obama's views on the Constitution are verrrry disconcerting.. His views on the role of the court are even more disturbing.. Why do you keep changing the subject? |
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Over 10% unemployment
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10 months, or even a year isn't that long. He started with a mess, is in pretty deep and has a lot to prove. He is our first African-American President. I'm just saying it's a bit early to be pointing fingers. If I did point a finger right now, it definitely would not be at Obama. I wouldn't try to get into a debate about this, I will admit myself that I am far from an expert in politics. It isn't my area. Let's say that I look at the sky and see that it is blue, and most everyone else sees that it is blue because it is unlikely that we would all witness different wave-frequencies of light. Let's say that someone standing next to me says that it is red, and proceeds to give me what he or she thinks is a good argument supporting it. Even someone like me is going to feel inclined to step forward and object, mostly out of sheer surprise that that person actually managed to come to that conclusion. All I'm saying is that it is obvious that the sky is blue. what on God's green earth does his being black have to do with anything?? I mean, really... is that supposed to make me feel all gooey inside? He's just the 44th president of the United States as far as anyone who's not positively fixated on race is concerned.. His heritage and ethnicity are of little concern to me.. what is of concern to me are his ideologies and his political philosophies.. How does he view the Constitution? What does he think the role of a judge is? How will he carry out the duties of his office? Will he be an effective commander-in-chief? or will he be asleep at the switch? Will he respect the limitations placed on the office (and the government for that matter) by the Constitution?? Those are the issues that concern me.. And they're the only issues that need concern the American people in such a pivotal and serious time in our history.. "...the content of his character, not the color of his skin..." (sound familiar?) I think the post about his race was relevant because as a HISTORIC president, he is being watched more closely and by more around the world. By nature of him being a FIRST,,,kind of like Tiger Woods... Same thing would be true if Hilary had won as the first Female President. all presidents are historic.. maybe that's the difference in the way I think compared to that of many others.. Ok, so he's (part) black.. He's also part white.. big deal. we're over it now what concerns me is that he's ALL American.. and no, that's not a birth certificate reference.. What I mean is, Is he all-in for America? his stated views on the Constitution deeply concern me |
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Over 10% unemployment
Edited by
raiderfan_32
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Sat 11/07/09 01:03 AM
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10 months, or even a year isn't that long. He started with a mess, is in pretty deep and has a lot to prove. He is our first African-American President. I'm just saying it's a bit early to be pointing fingers. If I did point a finger right now, it definitely would not be at Obama. I wouldn't try to get into a debate about this, I will admit myself that I am far from an expert in politics. It isn't my area. Let's say that I look at the sky and see that it is blue, and most everyone else sees that it is blue because it is unlikely that we would all witness different wave-frequencies of light. Let's say that someone standing next to me says that it is red, and proceeds to give me what he or she thinks is a good argument supporting it. Even someone like me is going to feel inclined to step forward and object, mostly out of sheer surprise that that person actually managed to come to that conclusion. All I'm saying is that it is obvious that the sky is blue. what on God's green earth does his being black have to do with anything?? I mean, really... is that supposed to make me feel all gooey inside? He's just the 44th president of the United States as far as anyone who's not positively fixated on race is concerned.. His heritage and ethnicity are of little concern to me.. what is of concern to me are his ideologies and his political philosophies.. How does he view the Constitution? What does he think the role of a judge is? How will he carry out the duties of his office? Will he be an effective commander-in-chief? or will he be asleep at the switch? Will he respect the limitations placed on the office (and the government for that matter) by the Constitution?? Those are the issues that concern me.. And they're the only issues that need concern the American people in such a pivotal and serious time in our history.. "...the content of his character, not the color of his skin..." (sound familiar?) |
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raiderfan_32
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Fri 11/06/09 11:42 PM
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That's the most pristine 13 window van I may have ever seen..
Damn, I love old volkswagens.. I wish I still had my '71 type 1 standard from highschool.. |
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mmm,,Can we actually READ or HEAR in the bill where it calls for raising taxes before we get heated about what we think 'our' money is going to? My mom worked in government,, there is excellent healthcare for those workers because of the sheer number who are members in the healthplan (thereby getting a reduced rate). The understanding I have is that this option will work the same way,,not from tax money. But as I said, Id love to see for myself the actual plan and not all the critics opinions about what it means... i dare you to go to opencongress.org and try to look at it.. read it if you can get it to load.. (It's crashed me everytime I go there and try to pull it up.. maybe it's cuz Princess Nanci won't let it out until it's voted on..) and in a year from now when you're done with reading it, come back and tell us what you think. |
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Edited by
raiderfan_32
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Fri 11/06/09 10:54 PM
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why do you refuse to think the logic through?
I'm not blaming the poor.. if anything, they're as much the victims in the affordable housing scam as the rest of us are.. they're the one's being booted out of their homes.. along with a great many other people.. you don't gain anything or increase your resources by borrowing that which you can't pay back.. everyone loses.. and that's what happened.. I'll grant that there was a fierce amount of greed involved in the issue but if that's all it was, why did it not happen sooner? why the timing of the inflation of the market bubble that I show you here? http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/05/chart-of-day-home-prices-versus.html I'll tell you why.. It was market-rigging on the part of the Clinton.. it's just too bad no one stopped it then.. but no one in congress wanted to have to fend off the allegations of racism that would have come along with opposition to that legislation.. The push to put people in houses they could afford by literally giving them loans they couldn't repay was the impetous.. I don't blame the poor, per se.. Hell I almost took one of those loans.. but I didn't because I wanted to protect my credit.. I knew I couldnt keep up with a mortgage at the time.. but people gotta remember what their granny told them growing up.. "If it's too good to be true, it probably is." Zero down, zero interest loans are just plain too good to be true and they didn't exist prior to 1996/97.. the linkage is there.. whether you acknowledge it or not is purely a function of your intellectual honesty.. |
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It was Fannie and Freddie, Government Sponsored Enterprises, that drove the subprime mortgage writing.. not regular banks..
Mirror, I seriously hope you're f'ing with me because there's no doubt in any economists' minds, who aren't currently on the payroll of the Obama Administration or the DNC, where and how the bubble started.. It started in the late 90's when banks were forced by Clinton to shovel borrowers into the housing market who could barely afford to keep current on their rent... http://www.openmarket.org/2008/09/16/clinton-pressure-to-promote-affordable-housing-led-to-mortgage-meltdown/ |
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did you even look at the ev? or are you just continuing to spout rhetoric?
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This country has gone to hell in a matter of decades. It's not turning out how it was suppose to turn out. Greed and money dictates how this country is. The fed needs to be stopped and big government needs to take a step back. The way things are leading with the two major parties, I only see it getting worse. Something needs to give, people need to stop all the hate and stop fighting against each other and start fighting against big government. Things could be good if the hate went away. "This country has gone to hell in a matter of decades. It's not turning out how it was suppose to turn out. Greed and money dictates how this country is."  Yes, unregulated and uncontrolled capitalism has that effect
you must live on the other side of the looking glass.. because none of what you think or write on these boards has any basis in reality. either that or you just enjoy playing a buffoon. you live in a fanstasy land if you think a) that capitalism is unregulated or b) that pure capitalism is what crashed the market.. GO and LOOK at what happened to the trends in housing prices after the Clinton signed into law his Affirmative Action Affordable Housing program.. let's see if this works... 
if not then look here http://images.creditwritedowns.com/blogger/SGFtO3LxcoI/AAAAAAAAA8c/CXZuQg2y7t8/s1600/Case%20Shiller%20inflation.png  People in the loan industry profited from those practices
The heedless drive for profits caused the crash.
This was encouraged and it caused the crash
 The poor have always been an easy scapegoatBut they arn't the ones with the money
http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/05/chart-of-day-home-prices-versus.html second graph... lookit.. housing prices follow inflation.. nice little trend.. then The Clinton signs the Affordable Housing Bill in 1996 and boom... housing prices jump and outpace inflation like a boss.. untill when?? until all those subprime mortgages began to default.. too many sellers, not enough buyers.. anyone? anyone know what happens when supply far exceeds demand? anyone? that's right.. prices fall.. it becomes a buyers market.. prices keep falling and suddenly buyer stop buying because they;re afriad of losing out on the deal.. get it straight man.. you're on the wrong side of the arguement.. |
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raiderfan_32
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Fri 11/06/09 10:02 PM
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This country has gone to hell in a matter of decades. It's not turning out how it was suppose to turn out. Greed and money dictates how this country is. The fed needs to be stopped and big government needs to take a step back. The way things are leading with the two major parties, I only see it getting worse. Something needs to give, people need to stop all the hate and stop fighting against each other and start fighting against big government. Things could be good if the hate went away. "This country has gone to hell in a matter of decades. It's not turning out how it was suppose to turn out. Greed and money dictates how this country is." Yes, unregulated and uncontrolled capitalism has that effect
you must live on the other side of the looking glass.. because none of what you think or write on these boards has any basis in reality. either that or you just enjoy playing a buffoon. you live in a fanstasy land if you think a) that capitalism is unregulated or b) that pure capitalism is what crashed the market.. GO and LOOK at what happened to the trends in housing prices after the Clinton signed into law his Affirmative Action Affordable Housing program.. let's see if this works...
if not then look here you're on the wrong side of the arguement.. |
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raiderfan_32
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Fri 11/06/09 09:46 PM
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This country has gone to hell in a matter of decades. It's not turning out how it was suppose to turn out. Greed and money dictates how this country is. The fed needs to be stopped and big government needs to take a step back. The way things are leading with the two major parties, I only see it getting worse. Something needs to give, people need to stop all the hate and stop fighting against each other and start fighting against big government. Things could be good if the hate went away. I'm confused.. this statement is completely counter to the rest of your contributions to this thread.. you argue for reduction in the size of government yet you argue for a massive expansion of it in the form a hugely burdensome healthcare mandate/entitlement.. is someone else writing under your name.. because I actually agree whole heartedly with what you just wrote! |
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raiderfan_32
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Fri 11/06/09 09:46 PM
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Nowhere in all of human history did healthcare lead to a dictatorship.That is a ridiculous idea.There is no connection whatsoever
once again, my primate friend, you've got it all backwards, oversimplified the situation and are thinking in utopian terms.. it's not a cause-effect relationship. And it's not your health they're looking after anyways.. it's control.. "healthcare" doesn't lead to dictatorship and nowhere did I make that assertion.. control, central control, over access to healthcare is a tool of dictatorship, of tyrrany. even though I know you jest, suppose we did tax everyone at 100% and dole out the wealth evenly amoung all.. who would work? you? me? no. nobody would work.. why would you? you don't get to spend whatever earnings you made the way you wanted to because big brother takes care of everything.. The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of someone else's money.. what gov't social program hasn't gone broke or isn't running a massive deficit and will eventuall go broke if it's not continually propped up? name one.. I dare you.. |
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Toooo funny!!
It was CORPORATE GREED all the way! The real reason for the meltdown was the lack of government oversight and regulation!
was it corporate greed that forced banks to make loans to people that couldnt pay them back? or was it "affordable housing initiatives" begun in the 70s with Carter and ramped up in the 90's by Clinton with the aide of pressure from left-wing special interest groups that caused banks to make loans to people that couldn't pay them back? it seems to me that making loans to deadbeats isn't a smart business move.. unless.... big brother was over there bending the rules and forcing banks to take on the risk.. learn a little bit about what happened, who said what and who whistled past the graveyard.. then talk about greed.. Yes, I have read all about it....it was CORPORATE GREED plain and simple. Those that wrote the loans made money...then they sold the loans...then those people made more money when they bundled the loans into MBS...to hide the toxic loans...then more people made more money when they bet/gambled on the bundled loans...then the house of cards started to crumble, so they all took their money and left us holding the bag. And thenm they blamed the people and the politicians. CORPORATE GREED Bro! That's the problem!
plain and simple.. yes we can! or is it just that so many people lack enough critical thinking skills to put more than 2 and 2 together.. and it's just so much easier to roast a scapegoat? never place blame where it belongs but where you want it? right? create a crisis and take advantage of it right, Rahm? |
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Cat FIGHT!!!
I'm going to youtube to see if there's any video!!! Oh, btw.. youtube search for "Elizabeth Lambert" That girl has a career ahead of her!! |
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"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care." Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat. And this is my problem how? Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off! so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare. I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up. Not taking sides in this particular arguement.. but a question if you would so endulge me: To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life? "Comfortable"? Are you kidding me? By not dying because someone gets a needed medical treatment is "comfortable"? 
So someone gets sick and needs to seek medical treatment, you think that most people do not deserve to get better just as you? You think you are better than the person next to you? I bet it must be hard to look at yourself in the mirror everyday. non-responsive.. you didn't answer the question As much as it takes. I am really not for any government in my life at all, but I am for all humans to be treated equally and fairly in getting the same medical treatment as anyone else. as much as it takes? let me ask it this way: how much is too much? 50%? 60%? 65%? 80%? 99%? 100%?? who decides? me? you? some faceless, unaccoutable bureaucrat? a czar? a dictator? |
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Let's play a game. Shall we?
It's called fill in the blank According to the Congressional Budget Office, the ___________ health care reforms would reduce premiums by up to 3 percent for Americans who get insurance through a large business, up to 8 percent for Americans without employer sponsored insurance, and up to 10 percent for those working for a small business (50 or fewer employees). CBO has not made a claim that the ____________ bill would lower premiums. The ____________ bill will significantly reduce health care premiums, insures millions of Americans, guarantees those with pre-existing conditions have access to quality, affordable health care and does all of this without raising taxes, without spending $1 trillion we don’t have, without cutting Medicare and without putting some new Health Czar in between doctors and patients, which is what the _________ majority does in their government takeover bill. Americans’ health care is too important and too complex to risk on _________ gamble. Instead, ____________ are promoting a step-by-step approach to comprehensive health care reform, and the first step is to make health insurance affordable for families, affordable for small businesses and affordable for America. Finally, unlike the _________ plan that increases taxes almost immediately but delays health reforms for several years, the __________ plan will immediately begin to lower costs. |
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"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care." Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat. And this is my problem how? Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off! so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare. I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up. Not taking sides in this particular arguement.. but a question if you would so endulge me: To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life? Well since the top 1% wealthiest people in the US own more total wealth than the combined wealth of 95% of the people in the US, I would say them SOB's better start kickin' in.
"start kickin' in?" Are you kidding me? The top percentile already covers way over half the federal tax reciepts.. and they don't just swim in the rest.. it's mostly invested throughout the market so that other people and small businesses have access to money to borrow and banks have money to lend.. get off your populist bent.. I don't want to be on a "fixed income". I want to be able to earn more someday than I do today.. populism results in stagnation. self reliance results in growth.. of the self, of the family, of the community... Dream on Bro!
How much are you making today?
Do you even have a job?
A) you've demonstrated very little to no brotherliness to me, so I ain't your bro. B) neither what I do for a living nor how much I make is any of your bloody business. now, if you're quite done with your ad hominem attacks, I'll continue to discuss the issue with you. Wow! Chill out Bro!
I see you threw out the old "ad hominem attack"...too funny!
Those were legitimate questions! 
I take it you have no income, no job, and are an Ayn Rand fan. Am I right? Just guessing.
all I'll say is.. you assume an awful lot.. |
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Toooo funny!!
It was CORPORATE GREED all the way! The real reason for the meltdown was the lack of government oversight and regulation!
was it corporate greed that forced banks to make loans to people that couldnt pay them back? or was it "affordable housing initiatives" begun in the 70s with Carter and ramped up in the 90's by Clinton with the aide of pressure from left-wing special interest groups that caused banks to make loans to people that couldn't pay them back? it seems to me that making loans to deadbeats isn't a smart business move.. unless.... big brother was over there bending the rules and forcing banks to take on the risk.. learn a little bit about what happened, who said what and who whistled past the graveyard.. then talk about greed.. |
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"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care." Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat. And this is my problem how? Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off! so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare. I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up. Not taking sides in this particular arguement.. but a question if you would so endulge me: To how much of another's prosperity are you entitled so that you might enjoy a comfortable life? Well since the top 1% wealthiest people in the US own more total wealth than the combined wealth of 95% of the people in the US, I would say them SOB's better start kickin' in.
"start kickin' in?" Are you kidding me? The top percentile already covers way over half the federal tax reciepts.. and they don't just swim in the rest.. it's mostly invested throughout the market so that other people and small businesses have access to money to borrow and banks have money to lend.. get off your populist bent.. I don't want to be on a "fixed income". I want to be able to earn more someday than I do today.. populism results in stagnation. self reliance results in growth.. of the self, of the family, of the community... Dream on Bro!
How much are you making today?
Do you even have a job?
A) you've demonstrated very little to no brotherliness to me, so I ain't your bro. B) neither what I do for a living nor how much I make is any of your bloody business. now, if you're quite done with your ad hominem attacks, I'll continue to discuss the issue with you. |
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