Boy you take things to such grandiose extremes! The MORAL if you need one is that people who are involved with community are invested in their community! The more people you get involved the more people come together. Likewise it cuts down n stupidity a lot!

While the Army is away fighting who protects us? BARELY ANYONE! Again Roman history! No military at home means your back door is wide open. So who protects us while our soldiers are gone? The police? They can barely keep a grip on us. But then with more community police even acting just as eyes means the police cannot insulate themselves from being one of us like they do in Big Cities! What we have now is becoming more and more like a Feudal state than a nation of free people!

But like I said, people who are more involved with their community and the realities of community and make their communities better. The other opposite of this is what makes a Ghetto or a slum. Apathy both from land lords and tenants!

So do we get a plan back that makes more civilians more involved or do we just keep going the path we are going until all our homes fall apart?

At least Rich people can afford to flee when things go to crap while the rest of us have to sleep in the mess we and others make for us.

So now how do you wish to twist my words? Back to the angry place again?

Fear sells, children sell, to sell we lie and misrepresent. And pretty much ALL Anti Gunners misrepresent themselves. They cite safety but really try to sell us on their fear.

So who are the sheep here? They are the ones bleating the shortest answers the loudest with no facts to back their play!

SHEEPLE I SAY! I AM SURROUNDED BY SHEEPLE!

Hell, speed trapping is illegal yet here in Los Angeles they make some spots look like Hazard County!

The whole system is so corrupt...

Yep, and I wear a powdered wig, take tea promptly at 2.35 pm, speak King's English, and wear a monocle. My horse is white and farts gold dust. And people around me are always so nice clean and polite.

Now I will open my eyes!

Whoop, not liking the real world. Back to closing my eyes!

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Again, Polly want a cracker? I can protect a child from a crazy guy with a gun better than I can bare hand from a bad guy with a gun.

And the Wheels of the BUS go ROUND AND ROUND!

I agree. If you really want a self protection gun the .357 is a superior choice and you can fire the cheaper .38 ammo for target practice and fire a few off of the real beef to know how it feels.

And don't buy it at Wallyworld!

A gun can protect a child. So can a sword, spear, and a host of other things but to blame a tool that can be used both offensively or defensively...

Ignorance is not the answer. Gun bans are ignorance. Parts bans are ignorance. Ammo bans are ignorance. More laws even more ignorance. Using Children as a shield and a carrot to promote a political agenda IS Lower than whale shyte. How low is Whale Shyte?



So tell me how gun control works with criminals again?

Love my home, hate my leadership... So can you tell the difference?

I almost want to call you MISTER Taliban. You wave them at me like a penis. Feeling a little small now? Can't seem to formulate a solid argument with a rational statement behind it? I guess either I learn to speak Troll or you need to learn what sarcasm is.

You are attempting to paint me as a terrorist. SHAME ON YOU! Your constant comparisons to the Taliban although are annoying are a key sign I am dealing with someone who really does think they are smarter than the rest of us.

If I hated America why do I want to fix it instead of watching it fall completely apart? You just don't want to get it, do you? The Taliban want to destroy us. I want to destroy them. Obama wants to Negotiate with them as if they will in any good faith. But too many soft hands want to hug rainbows and chase dreams while reality CRUSHES US! All off of "other people's money!" We got so much to give we gave it all away! So why compare me to the Taliban even in this fashion? Kind of a weak posture to take using a fallacious comparison to attack my argument by.

So how about you? You happy?



I'm happy.

You assume too much my brother! If all I could do was carry a stretcher around or look for missing people I would. If my job was to help people escape an impending disaster on their way, EG. banging on doors yelling at people to get out or a bulldozer with a crazy man is about to kill them all then that is what I would do. We are NOT talking about war time or MARTIAL LAW where you CAN INDEED OPEN CARRY! I actually told cops during the LA RIOTS on two occasions to go fucq themselves when they told me to go back indoor when I was out in front of my home with my neighbors with my fully loaded shotgun. Only once did I have to "brandish" at a passing car (NOT THE POLICE) but no rounds were fired. I guess the other armed people intimidated the not local flavor driving through our hood. THEN we had people running around burning, looting, and hurting and killing people and the police were NOWHERE TO BE SEEN UNTIL AFTER THE FACT! You see the point I make is I want to be involved with the community on a casual basis like many volunteers are. I want my function to fit the need when needed. What the hell do I need a gun for trying to search for people in a fallen building or missing in canyon country? They need my mechanical expertise more! But if a pair of hands is all they need or another pair of eyes I am good for that!

You are attempting to make a generalized false equation of the situation. I am not about the authority. I am about people coming together to soften the impact of disaster. People coming together to watch each others backs. LEAD FOLLOW OR GET THE FUCQ OUT OF MY WAY is my philosophy. Its actually nice when someone who has trained for disaster relief and coordination of said actions can handle people like me who have the skills but they need to know how to apply them. There is a lot a person can do for community involvement that doesn't have to involve carrying a gun or shooting at people all "Sheriff Dodge" style. But when you are on community watch it isn't safe being just a JAFO with a radio. You had better be prepared to protect yourself! But it helps when the Police don't fear citizens taking the law into their own hands becasue they TAUGHT THEM what they need to know in how to act, respond, and when they can and cannot use deadly force! Hell, if some lunatic killer was loose in my neighborhood and the police wanted me to just watch out for that person and I spotted them MY JOB IS JUST TO KEEP MY EYES ON THAT PERSON AND FEED INFORMATION TO DISPATCH! THEY WILL AIM THE POLICE AT THEM! If someone's life were in jeopardy at the hands of that man I would pop his melon. I know how to aim. I just don't get to practice much but I usually hit the spot within 4 inches. Shotguns are lousy for hostage situations save with one kind of ammo, SLUGS! They are just freaking messy. If that person turned on me while I was following? RUN THE OTHER WAY but never let them completely out of my sight and likewise maintain radio contact! IF CORNERED, Tap, Tap, Tap!It helps to know how to approach a situation like that to avoid a Trevon Martin incident. That means being able to describe that person in the language THEY use on a radio. It means understanding what they are saying. It also means conduct training. But the idea following someone is to not be obvious about it!

Now for the small words...

Not becasue we need regulation. Training is about safety. And knowing who among the community is and has received the training helps.

In times of war Civil Defense also involved guns in the event the Population themselves had to fight for their lives! But we never had a real invasion occur MILITARILY on American soil Proper since the War of 1812 and the Mexican American war. TECHNICALLY the Japanese invasion of the Aleutian Islands was nothing more than a diversionary tactic! Its not like Africa where they were just overwhelmed by brute force and factions war against each other in Tribal Feuds. Its not like Afghanistan where murder by religious fanatics is a reality. It isn't like Israel where they face invasion from all sides! We have gotten soft to the idea that one day we may have to fight for our lives to the last one of us! Well, if that time comes woe be to the Anti Gun crowd! I will not waste bullets trying to save you! I will do what I have to to save my home which is America! I may hate the idiots leadership we have but it its still my home! I won't fight for the Federal Government. I will fight for my home!

But there is a lot to be said when a system REJECTS you just becasue all you want to do is help. And there is a lot of rejection of ideas that make sense. Community watches have degenerated badly! We have become so CLIQUE` oriented that we have become dependent upon some ideal we are not in ourselves responsible.

So here is a though. I break the law unknowingly for something rather trivial and honestly was not aware of some quirky local ordinance ignorance is no excuse. But the government knowingly breaks the law and they are above the law. Where is the accountability? People want gun control when the real hotbed issue is with all the things the government is doing wrong who is to blame?

Voters for one. But the media is misinforming people. So they are likewise another issue. Lying career politicians who sold out are another problem. Corruption within our military! A partisan political party system has failed us utterly.

But making people become more and more detached from community involvement like what happens in big cities is part of what leads to this erosion. We are and have been a police state for some time now. The American Voters are too busy playing PS3 and Nintendo to get off of their FAT LAZY AZZES and smell the coffee. There is a world around us and it is falling apart. But do Voters care? Some too much for the wrong things and other don't seem to care at all unless it benefits them some how.

And here we are fixated on guns and gun control...

Sad.

Little hint... Promethean Complex... I want things to be better than they are. Look around... Do you see a golden age of man around us? I don't. All I see is a species that is evolving into a disease, not a "higher" species! Guns is not an issue. It is what we are becoming. And all the laws, and all the government and all the regulation in the universe, all the fear and manipulation will not change us into something better. We are being molded into something far more apathetic. Likewise I see a lot of ignorant blind idealism going on with the issue of guns.

Nope, what we see is a lie wrapped in some half truths by people who think they know best for us while living off of our excess.

Plato's cave my brother. Step outside and once your eyes get used to the light the whole world reveals itself to you!

Yeah, I want to carry a gun around and puff up my chest and pretend I am important... That ain't what team or community is about and you of all people should know that!

Please, who do YOU have me confused with?

We have "volunteer" programs with the police and other groups but nothing like Civil Defense was. People feel more vested in community when they know they have to fight to protect it sometimes. hell, how smart is it to go around starting wars and expect your armies to defend the people when they are elsewhere fighting more wars? Rome failed to let that harsh lesson sink into their elitist heads! The people need to get it in their heads when the crap hits the fan back at home get ready to shovel crap or all you will be living in is a shyte pile tomorrow!!!

Got my shovel... Do you?

ROTFL

If you tossed someone into a volcano? Gods need their sacrifices you know!

http://youtu.be/kq7DDk8eLs8

BUBBLY!

No animals were hurt in the making of this film!

DO NOT EVER DRAG YOUR PERSONAL TRAGEDY INTO A POLITICAL MESSAGE! USING CHILDREN AS A SHIELD IS LOW!

Yes it sucks for them to have lost their child BUT to do so and plead (lobby) congress through the media to do something? Do what? Scribble more convoluted laws onto a over stuffed set of law books? Or maybe we need to address some of the causes as to why people go over the edge. Hmmmm, Prescription drugs comes to mind!

Sorry but I am not into cutting down a forest just to see a tree!

OH MY, Baiting for a reason to try and twist yet another argument upon itself? How about you say something good about unrestricted gun ownership? Quid Pro Quorum here...

I like Cartoons... I like hot naked women rubbing all over me oiled up. I like Grolsch beer! I like my Pickup truck! Oh but what to like about America...

For one America isn't the toilet the rest of the world is including most of Europe. Germany, Holland, and Denmark are the only nations there who really have their act together! Russia would be great if it wasn't such a black market pit. But hey, we all want a free market right? Lets see, we HAD a way of life that people looked up to and now people trash!

We are one of the few places on earth we can and do try to preserve SOME wilderness. But again people trash this place! Some of us care but the rest? PLEASE!

We do have some semblance of community but that is stretching it these days! Also I at last can say FUCQ YOU OBAMA and not have to worry about thought police trying to stuff me in a gulag! I like that.

I like the fact we CAN own guns but unhappy that fearful sheeple are trying to pretend they scan protect themselves disarming us "WOLVES."

I like that some Americans really do see the bigger picture but am unhappy a lot of others like the world through rose colored glasses and self interest.

I like Hamburgers! But there are things I likewise hate. Blind BLEEDING HEART Liberalism. MOST religion, not all... Hypocrites and don't point the finger at me! I walk my walk as I talk my talk. I don't say "don't do as I say" while I do as I tell you not to do! NOT ME, NOT HERE, NOT NOW, AND NOT EVER! Enough said there. I hate fake people. I hate pretentious people. I hate Empowered Poor! I hate power mongering rich people. I hate bankers and the Banking industry as much as I hate the Insurance Industry and Pharma!!! I hate the Republican AND Democratic (COMMUNIST) party.

I like Girl Scout cookies. Samoas are the shyte! Strip clubs are O.K. but not my favorite place to hang out. I like racing as long as I am a driver. I love flying! Got to love the Purple Mountains Majesty! I like Judge Clarence Thomas. A BRILLIANT man of learning thank you!

I HATE HATE that greasy little Pig Lewis Pharrakahn. I hate Honey Boo Boo and her MOTHER TOO! Lets see, I hate Wall Street. Worthless people... Garbage...

I like wildlife. But seriously my dear, the system used me for a drug test subject by force and without compensation. I have had segregation and racism shoved in my face by my own government. America is like a classic family car that has fallen into years of disrepair and neglect and if we don't act soon if not now guess what, it will be completely unrepairable when it does finally break down and then what do we get? A new world order with Corporate Monarchs ruling over us without any bill of rights or constitution to protect us from them using us for their gains? OH BUT THEY DO THAT NOW, DON'T THEY?

I am so entitled to my negativity but I likewise have Hope something will break and go the right direction and not leave the rest of us running from the falling giant so it don't kill us when it lands on the ground!

OH, I HATE PEOPLE WHO THINK THE WORLD OWES THEM. I hate stupid people. I hate pulling weeds in the garden. I hate stepping in dog poop! I hate motorcycles with no muffler... No wait, I actually don't care about that! I hate idiots who move next to an AIRPORT AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NOISE!

I like a good restaurant. Love Youtube and Newgrounds! I love a good bon fire. I love the sounds of a Brazilian Waxing. I like Goth but not the freaky Vampire crap. I am more Adams Family Goth in taste! I like silly hats. LOVE 4:20 but that is still illegal and useless according to the Federal Government!

I love watching our military blow shyte up! I love Team America! FUQ YEAH! I love going into rural areas where life is not wound or revolving around selling out to rich people!

So I have a love hate relationship with my home? So what? Your point being????

Can you come up with a point. I know you can do it!

Instead of us riding in a nice coach bus we are all riding in a FUCQED UP SMOKING METRO BUS while SOME of us Americans get to ride in an armored limo for free partying it up while they squeeze us harder and harder for more and more money while making it harder and harder for us to make money!

And you want to argue extremes in gun control and equate that to WEAPON CONTROL! Considering what the Arizona and Texas Ranchers are up against I think they should be allowed RPGs, Full beef Ma Deuces, night vision and 40mm grenade launchers! I honesty want an XM-25. the cops would be TERRIFIED to face one of those! But my ultimate dream is a tank full of sharks with laser beams on their heads!

Wow, matching sarcasm. Gee, I am getting a little more creative...

But ya know there is one thing that makes Americans shine above a lot of other people some times. When we can put our differences aside and stop acting like a bunch of fucqued up self interested chimpanzees vying for breeding rights and dominance we actually can pull off God like achievements. But like Greece and every other empire built of man we get fat, lazy and complacent living off of the backs of others. That is the AMERICA WE HAVE NOW! I HATE THAT SO FUCQUING MUCH I ALMOST FEEL I COULD COMBUST BECAUSE OF THE HATE FOR THIS BS LIFE WE ARE FORCED TO GRAPPLE WITH! Instead of focusing on invention, art, and making a better home for ourselves we suck up to profit margins, fake humanitarianism, lies, and power mongering. We have lot sight of what made us great but you know SOME OF US have not forgotten.

I would like to see the day when all these "AFRO AMERICANS" pull their heads out of their azzes, admit they were wrong to the white man and themselves, and call themselves AMERICANS in the spirit all others born here and who came here through due process and stand by our side AS BROTHERS instead of maintaining the hate cycle that makes up harm one another!

GUNS IS NOT THE REAL ISSUE! Its sheep like divisive thinking like what you are presenting to me here that perpetuates this hate cycle. Why is it a black man can say the exact same things I say but I am a racist and he is an Uncle Tom to some or a shame to the black community? You see one real issue I have with YOUR attempted argument is the same justification the Black Panthers tries when they were becoming really super militant. I could have been one with their cause if they wanted to be EQUALS like they claim they do but they blame whitey for a lot if not everything and are under some impression one day they will rise up under force of arms and take America for themselves. They lost me the moment they became supremacists! There is no wonder in my mind why they did NOT want white people with them in their demonstrations. It would have made them look like total hypocrites to sell hate for whitey but have whites standing with them demanding their rights! It was not about black empowerment. It was about a supremacist movement. So how do you think THEY will take it when they are told to give up their weapons? This does not even get into the fact that a lot of Immigrants come here and refuse to Naturalize! And to top things off their attitude of a lot of these fucqes is they hate America yet they want to be here. Many are here illegally becasue they don't care about law! And our politicians need someone to get them votes becasue of their lousy performance.

You do know what the term OVERWHELMING ODDS means don't you? You know what happens when you get enough Americans mad enough to band together and act... England and Japan found that out the hard way as well as Germany! That is the one thing that gives me hope and one other thing about Americans I like. We can be motivated to act but sometimes it takes a lot. Unfortunately evil people take advantage of this all too easily.

So scuse me while I take a moment to chill...

That's right, just CHILL...

IN a lot of locations CD personnel DID NOT HAVE UNIFORMS! MUCH LIKE SOME VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE A KIND OF UNIFORM FOR THEIR PERSONNEL TO WEAR ESPECIALLY THE TURN OUTS! Like the VOLUNTEER POLICE OFFICERS here in LA, what we call service officers wear uniforms! But here you are just trying to find ANY excuse to try and twist my words upon themselves. Not...

Gee, and do I see suits WITH the uniforms??? I most certainly do! The reason is not everyone was "on duty" all the time. Being a volunteer means you spend time and if scheduled you have the luxury to respond in uniform. If you are home eating dinner and the shyte hits the fan? grab the hat, armband, and pack next to the door and run! That is how it was.

You are grasping straws to support your argument.

Scandalous!

God I know the Moderators are going to get mad at me but YOU ARE SO GOD DAMN BLIND! You think disarming in the face of gangsters is SMART? You know they RECRUIT FROM HIGH SCHOOLS AND EVEN MIDDLE HIGH SCHOOLS! THEY PUT GUNS IN KIDS HANDS UNLIKE RESPONSIBLE PARENTS WHO LIMIT THEIR CHILDREN'S ACCESS TO THEM! AND THEY STEAL THEIR GUNS TO GET THEM! SO STEAL GUNS FROM US BECAUSE WE MAY HURT YOUR KIDS?

Your points ARE NOT BEING MADE NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY TO JUSTIFY YOUR POINT! If you are not willing to bear a gun to protect your children and they come to harm by someone wishing to do violent things to them and yourself F*k you and your kids! You are not thinking about mine if I had any! gain this is nothing but YOUR self interest and YOU trying to placate yourself!

Personal safety takes people working together. Not depending on a select few to protect us! Or is that too much for you to wrap your mind around?

And why do I hate Islam? It isn't Xenophobia! It is their Holy War! They are an invasion. Nuff said!

ROTFL! We get enough mercury in our Sushi thank you! And when I express an Opinion YES IT IS ME AND ALL ABOUT ME AND MY OPINION! Thanks for noticing that I got one too! Dude, if I had it my way Islam would be a banned religion, and I would have my own crusade going on to wipe it clean from the earth! But again I have no real say in this so all I can do is say what I feel.

You see this once WAS a great nation but we forgot the principles we built it on and let Liberals play God. Our leadership has this nation SO FUCQED up repair will be TREMENDOUS to accomplish. Our own people have trashed this country something fierce and sold out to whoever dangles enough money in front of them. We are a nation of sell outs run by sell outs and sold out by sell outs! And the rest of us have to suck it. Why? Entitled poor! unchecked Immigration. Blind acceptance of the presence of Illegal aliens. A manipulative AZZ KISSING APOLOGETIC PRESIDENT. A congress who misrepresents us. And American voters like you and me!

Happy now?

Does this help?

It turns out some functions personnel did wear a uniform to identify them as police or Utility repair while in London they had marked helmets to designate their function. But not all places used Uniformed personnel to identify who was police or Not. People registered with the Civil Defense board of their community, received training, and were issued their helmet and arm band. in some cases they even were given a uniform in the event they had to WORK. ALL Civil Defense personnel were expected to integrate with local defense forces an the military! During WWII people along the Pacific coast were so spooked by the idea of Japan invading they actually formed auxiliary patrols who were armed and had radios and patrolled a lot around harbors beaches, and anywhere a landing force could have beached where our military was not!

JOY!

In their vehicles!



INTRODUCING THE CIVIL DEFENSE AUXILIARY POLICE!



Gee, two of these men look armed to me! What is that strap across their chest for? Those are not radiomen!

Please read below. 1/3 of Portland was expected to participate in the event of an attack on them in a variety of functions!

http://ohs.org/education/focus/preparing-war-at-home.cfm

So your point being???

The National Guard is the National Guard! Civil Defense IS NOT THE NATIONAL GUARD! We had National Guard back in WWII and Vietnam. But guess what, we keep deploying them as REAL SOLDIERS IN FOREIGN WARS! They are likewise called "RESERVE UNITS!" How many men joined the National Guard during Vietnam hoping to avoid going and wound up there anyways? Why did they?

When you join up with the National Guard YO *** DONE JOINED THE ARMY BOY!

So now... Your response?

Oh and the Coast Guard? Think they patrol just OUR coastline? Think that got people to not go to Vietnam or anywhere else for that matter?

Civil Defense WAS normal every day people who were part of disaster assistance and many other things. They were like Volunteer Firefighters! Not dedicated service personnel.



Yep, thems looks like National Guard to me!



Oh those boys in Uniform TURN ME ON! Wait a minuet, what uniforms? National Guard Wear Uniforms!

Shall we discuss deployment time for national guard vs. Civil defense?



WOW, AUXILIARY POLICE! WHOODA THUNK IT?



I can't find a single person here in uniform! Looks like CIVILIANS TO ME!

So now your argument is sunk! Only the bow of your argument is above water and it is going down my brother! You are American are you not?