west side

good discussion anyway. i've got to go to work now.

there will always be exceptions. iq alone will not determine someones place in lif ebut it is a good place to start draining the gene pool, for discussions sake i left out race physical build and a few other factors but i do believe i did mention criminal history and the history of previous generations.

so because ted bundy should be allowed to have children? because he went to law school? as if we don't have enough evil (read lawyers) in society

are you unbiased enough to decide yellow rose? why not the pope, the dali lama, barry obama, possibly the latter because he is representative of what average americans want, just like alternativa said.

1 >” Not necessarily... you're only 26... you said it stopped in the 70's... Just think if they had continued...”

YOU say you’re reasonably intelligent, but who is to say those judging would consider you to be?

i guess that would be up to my aptitude and iq tests

2 > "our past does not define us, what defines us is how we rise after falling"

You think it’s ok to judge another on mistakes, but you’re to be judged on how you do after the mistake.

im judging people on their families mistakes. bad blood that's all it is some people have it some do not.

3 > "and why should the average person be allowed to decide what is best for the whole"


Because we ARE the average person.... this country was made by the average person... because that's what we fight for... the freedom of the AVERAGE PERSON

you might be the average person, but i would not consider my self average, this country was not founded by average people, it was founded by..... extremist who would be considered terrorist by today's standards. what do you fight for? freedom? how?

What about the fact that IQ shows a correlation to race?

you have to be impartial on matters like this you cannot things like race get in the way.

I'm ( sure )with a little thought you can see my point.


should he not have been born because of his dad and the fact that I was 18 at the time?
what does age have to do with anything?

QUOTE:

While the science of genetics has increasingly provided means by which certain characteristics and conditions can be identified and understood, given the complexity of human genetics, culture, and psychology there is at this point no agreed objective means of determining which traits might be ultimately desirable or undesirable. Eugenic manipulations that reduce the propensity for criminality and violence, for example, might result in the population being enslaved by an outside aggressor it can no longer defend itself against. On the other hand, genetic diseases like hemochromatosis can increase susceptibility to illness, cause physical deformities, and other dysfunctions. Eugenic measures against many of these diseases are already being undertaken in societies around the world, while measures against traits that affect more subtle, poorly understood traits, such as criminality, are relegated to the realm of speculation and science fiction. The effects of diseases are essentially wholly negative, and societies everywhere seek to reduce their impact by various means, some of which are eugenic in all but name. The other traits that are discussed have positive as well as negative effects and are not generally targeted at present anywhere.

that might be the most compelling argument your side ahs had in this whole debate

Humans have enginered plants and animals in this manner, but there is resistance to using this on ourselves.
what's the difference?

Two people of amazingly high IQ's could still give birth to a child of very low IQ.
although true it is much less likely.
and alternativa who taught you how to debate, this isn't the sand box, argumentative fallacies will get you nowhere. and why should the average person be allowed to decide what is best for the whole? if that was the case there would be no electoral college, but that is a whole other point.

i am still here i must be reasonably intelligent, or not born to criminals, retards, or other social parasites

anybody willing to debate should read this first
http://www.eugenics.net/papers/caseforeugenics.html

oh, and germany wasn't the only country pushing for eugenics, it has been used in the united states as well, before germany. the majority in "liberal" california. it was adopted as a cost saving strategy to relieve the tax burden for rapidly expanding public facilities for the "feebleminded" and "socially inadequate" virginia law recognized that heredity played and important factor in the transmission of , insanity, idiocy, imbecility, epilepsy, and crime. also forced sterilization of criminals who committed violent or sexual crimes, and this was a law that was in place and supported by 13 states. sterilization for the mentally retarded continued through the 1970's in the usa, and 33 states had statutes under which over 60,000 Americans endured involuntary sterilization.

like i said greater good

well obviously i would set the standard.
and being my own worst critic i would not qualify.
i do feel the same way still, it is for the greater good.
it was tried in the past and i believe that eugenics is a very good way to decide who can have children.

teach them the difference between nuggets and dirt weed then take their weed and smoke it with your friends

7 make it a privilege to have children not a right. make i.q. a determining factor for birth rights. that way there will be a) less stupid people, which will lead to b) lower crime rate, which will end up at c) a higher standard of living.

Béchamel Sauce

1/4 cup unsalted butter
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
2 cups milk
1 small onion studded with 2 Or 3 cloves, optional
3 whole bay leaves
dash dried leaf thyme, crumbled
salt and white pepper to taste
nutmeg, to taste

In a medium saucepan, melt butter over low heat. When butter starts to foam, add the flour all at once, mixing well with a wooden spoon.
Cook over low heat 3 to 4 minutes, stirring constantly to incorporate flour.
Remove pan from heat and let stand, 10 to 15 minutes. this is called a roux.

Meanwhile, slice the onion in half lengthwise. Using only half the onion, pierce a whole clove through a bay leaf and then attach it to one side of the onion. Repeat with the two remaining cloves and bay leaves, attaching them around the edges of the onion, this is a studded onion.

Meanwhile, in a medium saucepan, scald milk (heating it until just below boiling).
Return saucepan with roux to low heat. Add all of the scalded milk at once (to avoid the formation of lumps).
Simmer, stirring with a wooden spoon. Add studded onion, bay leaf and thyme.
Cook, over low heat, 15 to 20 minutes, stirring until smooth and thickened. Strain sauce through fine-mesh strainer. Add salt, white pepper and nutmeg to taste. Makes about 2 cups.

enjoy

very well said. you found a way to simplify albert einstein and stephen hawking. wow. you're like david carradine in kung fu.

as a white male i do not like the idea. it does not mean other will be paid more. it means i will be paid less. he ( barry obama) also does not account for the average education between not only men and women but between races. ever hear of an asian complain about racial profiling? no? probably because they are statistically more educated, and there for get paid more.
if i wanted every one to get equal pay i would live in a socialist country.

allen iverson was born from a virgin mother. seriously.

i'm really confused here...