Your society turned this country into what it is, useless rambling on about this and that with little to no action behind the words.

I don't see it as a issue I'm welling to die for or kill for .

President Obama and The Democratic party have done an outstanding job. I am proud of President Obama and The Obam Administration

I would have to agree, but I don't believe for a second that the Iraqi government exactly tries to stop it either.

Hell in this country we don't exactly knock ourselves out standing up for gays, instead we foster prejudice against them and go out of our way to prevent anyone from teaching simple respect and acceptance in schools. Individually we remain silent when things are said that are ignorant among our friends.

Even in the black community where you would think there would be some empathy for being hated for something about you that is different.

You're right, Msharmony. People were doing better during the Clinton years. We had more money in our pockets, jobs were good, etc.

Problem is that the democrats we were too timid to stand up to the right, and in many cases too complicate to argue against the right, if I said that right.

Hey, Mr. Brewer.
You're pretty new here. Welcome.
It's ok. A lot of us are very familiar with the dodging, generalizing and name calling. That's why we stop attempting to debate with those do that.
I debate with those willing to debate intead of making excuses for their Savior-in-Chief Hussein.

Again, I think you need to stop the stereotyping and generalities and document.

I cant seem to get you to understand my respectful request for you to answer my questions or follow the debate,

He went as far as he could with closing gitmo, right? If congress holds him up, that is not his fault.

-----It has nothing to do with congress, he has executive power. Go back and read a middle school level book on how the government works.


Don't ask don't tell? In the military? That is not going to be so easy to do. Complicated issue there.

-----He is the one who promised to do it. It requires one stroke of the pen for the commander in chief, ball point pens are not complicated.


He said the troops would start returning home within 16 months, I think. He has only had 8 months.

------He has already said he is reniging on that promise and is likely sending MORE troops and is starting a NEW WAR with Iran!


Healthcare and Income taxes are two different things, tying them together is not logical.

-------I agree but it is your savior obama who says he is taxing people who make over 250,000 to pay for his health care proposal.

I am noticing a current among obama supporters, you support him and attack all his detractors. Yet you dont even know what his plans are. The ones who do know what he has said and done, the informed electorate, are against him. the ignorant are for him.


I am not sure why I am explaining anything to you though, I believe you have shown you do not like him because he is not white, if I am not mistaken.

Reconsidering the closing date does not mean it will not close.

We need to be concerned with all the other prison camps that are doing the same thing that Gitmo has done.

It is going to take some time.

Hell Obama has only been in office for 8 months, not long enough to do anything of great magnitude.

When you use the word homos, you give away your attitude. I don't dislike people that dislike gays, because often time when they get to know gays they no longer have those attitues. I dislike their 'attitude' about gays because it's irrational and emotional and leads to more ugly words being exchange and violence toward a group that has never done anything to the person doing the violence, verbally or physically.


-----------Oh stop it. You dont know anything about my attitudes about them. I work with a queer who waves a dont tread on me flag at the tea parties we go to.....and he can take a fag joke, why cant you. He doesnt need people like you defending him.

I dont get pissed at white jokes and I have walked up countless times on black guys talking about honkies or crackers or mexicans talking about gringo this or that. I dont run off to sue, every culture thinks its better than everyone else, its no more significant than being a yankees fan and hating the red sox. Almost any game they fight one another. Perhaps a law providing additional penalties for a sox fan punching a yankees fan?

I use the words I use because I hate political correctness. I consider it a mental illness and dont believe in assigning a word that much power. Thats a bigger problem than hatred.
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Yes my attitude about this behavior is definately and deeply emotional. And yes i do tend to take it personally that people like me are so hated some would kill us to make their own lives more livable and in the name of Gods I have never even seen, nor have they.

-------Thats understandable. Whats not is claiming that christian america is on par with sharia. Most american churches have gay clergy now as an official policy. We know its obviously condoned unspokenly for he catholics. So you basically have the baptists and a few evangelicals. Their chief activity is advocating for or against certain laws. They have a right to do that. It may be annoying, like when I cant buy a beer for a sunday game in some counties, but its hardly like what they do in muslim communities, not even remotely close.
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Not liking gays is not the same as not liking a sport or a table, we are talking about human beings, not objects.

-------Its no different at all. I have met so many people I didnt like in my life I cant even count them all. I am not immoral for not liking them. I have a right to set the criteria for who I hang out with and make exceptions to my own rules.

How is telling someone who they must like and adding legal penalties for not exercising your own right to association in ways that boo2u chooses any different to what they do in the middle east?
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I am not understanding why we must tolerate this due to oil. But I also don't share the view that we should have no connection to the world outside our own country. I never understood giving china most favored nation status either. I do think the more isolated we are from other countries the more slowly we evolve as human beings.

-----------Because they can raise the price of oil and destroy us in a week. Everything is made with oil in it or energy it provides and shipped with it as the fuel...theres probably not one thing in your house oil was not used to make.

Having a connection or traveling to foreign lands is different to being dependent on them for critical economic things. We are one of the only countries that could be self sufficient, and we should be.

At least we agree on China:)

How is keeping our main industry...energy, food, manufacturing, military.....domestic in any way isolating us or slowing human "evolvement". What do you mean by that, what are we evolving into?
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I do not know the answer to this, I wish I did. I can only empathize with those who's lives are so fragile due to the rigid religious views of many human beings. It's very sad indeed. The more diverse we are as a country the more we are forced to face our prejudices and change comes slowly but surely.

I think it's slightly strange of us to examine Islam and it's abuses with out discussing Christianity and it's abuses down through history. Because we can not legally kill homosexuals in this country doesn't mean we don't make their existence as unpleasent and the religious right wants to make sure the inequality continues, but we focus on Islam? Why? Our attitudes are no better.

Actually I do not hate homophobes, but their ignorance distresses me for sure. There is a huge difference even if I did hate them. But I am sick to death of explaining them to people that it wouldn't bother to take the time to research it on their own. But I would not expect you to have responded in any other way.