right so the KKK can parade and hold rallies (speeches) but their speech cannot provoke violence. Sounds about right....this all went on in Cincinnati a few years ago but again I can't recall all the details. Cincy is pretty conservative ...they outlaw whatever they want....kinda like a north Texas outpost lol (JK)

I am also thinking there is more case law... I really think the jury is probably still out on this. There is usually enough case law in these types of discussions to support more than one outlook jmho

I didn't pay any attention to the background of the source I cited.

Anyway, Wenzel Strategies is clearly in bed with the right-wing extremist tabloid World Net Daily, which has repeatedly promoted false claims.

I consider it a mistake to base a claim only on what that particular site says.

Also, I am not alone in my distrust of Wenzel Strategies.

See FiveThirtyEight's Pollster Ratings.

Uh, who is Ed Brayton?

actually hate speech is a crime (United States) but I do not know the details. Also there is liable. Your free speech cannot falsely defame.

Uh, that Wizbang blog post was written by a blogger who relied on the infamous World Net Daily tabloid for his information.

WND, in turn, relied on a controversial pollster who has a very poor reputation as a pollster, one who has produced grossly-inaccurate polling data.

No, I don't trust that cited poll.

WND itself is infamous for reporting false claims. I find that site to be untrustworthy.

By the way, I'm also a blogger at Wizbang.
I was blogging there before the aforementioned blogger started blogging there.

your probably right, i just wonder how long they were doing this, and how noone noticed before that there was a "masonic fraternal police department" hahaha you would think that would be something that would stick out right away.

lol,,its called being objective

I'm all for gun control,,


I understand some people have them for protection and are responsible enough to be trusted with them


I'm not for all out restriction free gun ownership,, we have too many embittered, paranoid, and impulsive people and people lacking anger control to arm them all

my point is I don't know what these cops did,, no one but those present know


and those living in a dangerous area keep guns for protection just like those in suburbs do

last i heard they still do stop and frisk on regular occasion, i could be wrong but i thought they still did it because they feel its not unconstitutional to stop random people and search them like we live in nazi germany. ill have to look it up but i thought they still did it regularly. either way tho IMO someone adjusting their waist band is not a justifiable reason to stop someone walking down the street.


just looked it up seems they still do it but have cut down by 99% of the people they stop. people are always going to kill people, thats never going to change, should we all give up our rights because some people die? IMO hell no. if your afraid of getting killed, by yourself a weapon, train yourself with that weapon and use that weapon if you have to, simple as that.

What!!! its the best I can do I am an Alaskan, I hunt fish, gather and grow
as much of my own food as possible...

but I still want the wand...

Well... a bit over the top with dramatics but I so want the wand..
The things I can do with it...

.Ou Ou * raises hand* I know this answer *

Because when a man says NO to another man. It means NO.
When a woman says NO, some guys think it means NEGOTIATION

well you do have to sign a form when you take the drug test, as far as i know it didnt say anything about testing DNA and storing it in some database. but then again i dont remember as i just kind of read through it real quick, most people didnt read it at all.