Poetnartist wrote:

"I love politics. "If you can't beat 'em, smear their names until you
can". Oh well, another annoying attack with no real substance."

The Bush Administration is already smeared in filthy war created by
lies. A war that Bush, not congress, declared. It goes to show that the
miltary try to glorilfy Tillman's death to cover up that he was actually
killed by friendly fire.

The Democrats were to put in control of congress to end Bush's hold on
power.

This just in!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18295584/?GT1=9246

Rove's White House political activity probed:

WASHINGTON - A little-known federal investigative unit has launched a
probe into allegations of illegal political activity within the
executive branch, including a White House office led by President Bush's
close adviser, Karl Rove.

The new investigation, which began several weeks ago, grew out of two
other investigations still under way at the U.S. Office of Special
Counsel: the firing of U.S. Attorney David Iglesias from New Mexico and
a presentation by Rove aide J. Scott Jennings to political appointees at
the General Services Administration on how to help Republican candidates
in 2008.

"We're in the preliminary stages of opening this expanded
investigation," Loren Smith, a spokesman for the special counsel's
office, an independent investigative and prosecutorial agency, said
Tuesday. "The recent suggestion of illegal political activities across
the executive branch was the basis we used to decide that it was
important to look into possible violations of the Hatch Act."

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The office, led by Scott J. Bloch, enforces the Hatch Act, a 70-year-old
law that bars federal employees from engaging in political activities
using government resources or on government time.

Whether politics played an inappropriate part in the firings of eight
U.S. attorneys, including Iglesias, was at the heart of the controversy
that has threatened Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' job. Whether
executive branch employees violated federal laws that restrict them from
using their posts for political activity also is at the center of the
controversy about the January meeting at GSA.


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'Help our candidate'
"Six participants have confirmed that, at the end of the presentation,
GSA Administrator Lurita Doan asked all present to consider how they
could use GSA to 'help our candidates' in 2008,'" 25 Democrats wrote in
a letter of complaint on Monday to White House chief of staff Joshua
Bolten.

Among questions the senators asked Bolten:

-"Why did Mr. Jennings and his staff communicate the presentation
materials which bear the White House seal, via a private e-mail account
affiliated with the Republican National Committee?"

-"Does the White House consider the preparation and delivery of such a
presentation to be an appropriate use of taxpayer funds?"

The Los Angeles Times, which first reported the wider inquiry, said Doan
doesn't recall making such comments.

'Entirely appropriate'
The White House said it had not yet been contacted by the Office of
Special Counsel on the matter.

White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said Tuesday that it was
entirely appropriate for the president's staff to provide informational
briefings to appointees throughout the federal government about the
political landscape in which they implement the president's policies.
The White House said there have been other briefings at other agencies.

"People take great care to make sure that they don't violate the Hatch
Act," Perino said, "and the Hatch Act doesn't prohibit the giving of
informational briefings to governmental employees."

Jess Wrote I really think you that you dismiss many of the points I made
as weakness and not strenghts.

"Written knowledge, in our history, it is an inarguable point, as to
evidence of any other species documenting thier history, in the manner
that humans have...agreed."

"I don't feel that adds weight to whether we are superior...as even in
our humaness, it is undeniable that many animals, bacterias, (single
cell life) has been born with an inherant, instinctual memory, not of
their own experiences, many examples have been shown through the study
of other species.."


"With many historical references to this documenting of human's history,
I see it as a 'compensation' for that part of the collective memory of
the species that lies dormant in most. As an example, an injured animal
learns to compensate with the loss of a limb..."

"I don't feel that adds weight to human superiority."


With respect to bacterias and animals, human do have instinicts, the
very same instinicts that animals have. Humans have instinict like self
perseverevation, sexual reproducion, appetite. The difference between
human instinicts and animal instinicts is that human have the prudence,
or foresight, to stop those instinicts from taking hold because in the
long run it would be the most benefical to them. For intance when there
a drought, people would just ration water, or if a young person is horny
that person would use a condom to stop disease.

In other words we control our fate. Animals only follow instinicts.

And thank for agreeing with my point of human collective knowledge, but
I don't think you fully grasp the idea. With a library of knowledge at
our disposal we can go beyond what instinictal behavior limits us. With
medical knowledge we can live longer healthier lives. With the sciences
we can explain our environment and with that knowledge manage the earth
and it's resources.

"Secondly, as to planning future, using your example, animals
historically, have migrated through their environment,(their manure
reseeding their grazing plains, their instinctual pathways through
fields and forests to reduce compacting of soils, for example), and the
elements of the seasons, to different food sources, and even our
observations, learnt from them, we followed the herding, migrating
animals, as a food source."

Animal migration can hardly be planning since is just instinicts drive
them to their destination. Early human hunters just did the same thing
until the development of farming. Farming requires planning, and it also
started civilization since you don't have to move find moving herds or
wolly mammoths.

"Animals also manipulated their environment,for example, beavers and
their damming and changing of creeks and rivers...animals utilising the
environment and adapting it to suit their purpose..."

Beavers have to eat their own feces in order to break down the wood they
eat. I hope you're not comparing a rodent to a tool using human are you?

"Many animals co-exist, 'tame', adapt, behaviours to work in well
together, many predators do not eat the foragers that assist them...the
birds that pick lice of a crocodiles back, a sucker fish, that cleans
sharks, and other predatory fish..."

Animals don't keep pets. Human have pets for companionship. Human have
compassion for other species and that's one reason humans have pets, or
animals around them. Animal co-exist is solely based on "I scratch your
back then you scratch mine" behavior. The only other species that have
compassion for other animals are Bonobo apes and they're the clostest
genetic relative to humans.

"I don't feel your points add weight to human superiority, I feel we got
good at compensating for our weaknesses.."

Jess I think your underestimating human strenghts.

Would you save the life of one horse to that of one human being?

We are superior in terms of our collective knowledge. No other living
thing has written languages to pass down to knowledge from hundreds of
years ago.

We also plan our future so we can have greater rewards in our work. For
instance farming we plant one season, the next year we reap the benefits
or a plentiful havest, you could say it's a sacrafice of hard work and
the reward is food crops.

We tamed other animals and they serve in our work, as a food source, or
we keep them as companions. Dogs as watch dogs or pets, cats as pets,
horses as transportation, cows, chickens, pigs, and sheep as meats or
milk source.

And we don't adapt to the environment we change the environment to suit
our needs, think air condition, heaters.

Gun violence report for 2005

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060910-115800-7030r.htm

Americans were robbed and victimized by gun violence at greater rates
last year than the year before, even though overall violent and property
crime reached a 32-year low, the Justice Department said yesterday.
Analysts said these increases buttress reports from the FBI and many
mayors and police chiefs that violent crime is beginning to rise after a
long decline. Bush administration officials expressed concern but
stressed that it was too soon to tell whether an upward trend in
violence had begun.
Last year, there were two violent gun crimes for every 1,000 people,
compared with 1.4 in 2004, according to the department's Bureau of
Justice Statistics. There were 2.6 robberies for every 1,000 persons,
compared with 2.1 the year before.
"This report tells us more the serious events -- robbery and gun
crimes -- increased, and the FBI already told us homicides increased,"
said James Alan Fox, a professor of criminal justice at Northeastern
University in Boston.
"So while the report shows the more numerous but least serious
violence -- simple assaults, which is pushing and shoving -- went down,
the mix got worse in terms of severity. That wasn't a very good
trade-off," Mr. Fox said.
A preliminary FBI report in June on crimes reported to police showed
a 4.8 percent increase in the number of homicides and 4.5 percent
increase in the number of robberies last year.
Alfred Blumstein, a professor at Carnegie Mellon University in
Pittsburgh, said the rise in gun violence was particularly troubling.
"A major police effort to confiscate guns helped bring down the
surge in violent crime that occurred in the late 1980s and early 1990s,"
Mr. Blumstein said. "But gun distribution is easier now because we have
begun to back off gun control."
The statistics bureau's victimization report found that the overall
violent-crime rate was unchanged last year from 2004, at just more than
21 crimes for every 1,000 persons older than 12.
The property-crime rate fell last year from 161 crimes to 154 for
every 1,000 people because of a drop in household thefts. Both rates
were the lowest since the survey began in 1973.
Deputy Attorney General Paul J. McNulty noted the record-low rates
but said the government is "are concerned about" the increase in the
violent firearm crime rate.
"Whether the increase ... marks a change in the trend toward reduced
firearms victimization rates cannot be determined from one year's data,"
he said.
He said some cities are seeing violent-crime increases and noted
that the department has several programs in which federal agents join
state and local officers to combat gangs and drug abuse.
Unlike the FBI report culled from police blotters, the statistics
bureau makes estimates based on interviews with 134,000 people, so it
counts not only reported crime but also crimes the police never hear
about.

I just read sometime interesting about evolution and cancer: here's a
link you can copy and paste

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070416160429.htm

"No Solution To Cancer: Have Our Genes Evolved To Turn Against Us?"

I don't have any remark to say because I'm still wondering the
implications, the last two paragraphs inparticular, article brings up.

Poetnartist from which country does abstinance only programs work? Can
you quote a news source with a link?

"That is a bad thing reguardless if Fox is fair or not."

Question: How many Democratic voters trust Fox New?

Or here's a better question: How many Democratic voters actually watch
Fox News and use it for it's source of information?

Would you trust Al Jazier news network?

"If, by using political clout, one party or another can degrade a
certain news service we will all suffer cause it will be a different
news service the next time."

The canidates may not be avoiding Fox New to degrade it's credibility
but only to apease to Democratic voters who despise anything to do with
Fox News.

Democratic presidental avoiding debates sponsered by Fox News. Full
story copy paste the link below.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18124522/from/RS.3/

Edwards, Obama, and Clinton won't don't any presidental debates set up
by Fox News. According to the article it would give a creditibility that
Fox News is fair viewed in it's reporting of national and global news.

Is Fox News the Bush Network?

I say the Fox News just in the business for ratings. And it's core
audience to which it just pans to are conversatives. And the
conservative centrisitic view that Fox caters to is costing them
ratings, rates are down from past years. You can't spin higher prices at
the pump any other way than thinner wallets, or over 3,000 soldiers
dead, or Global Warming, or the housing market bubble, or US auto makers
losses.

Speak of the devil the person of question shows up. But does he have any
reliance in any serious topic?

....that have no message?

I got requests from out of the blue from people asking to be "my friend"
but they don't give me any reason why I should be their "friend."

Sometimes I think the people's friends list is nothing more than way to
say "Hey this girl likes my pic or what ever and I approve that she
likes my pic or what ever...."

All I ask is that you try to get to know the person your interested in
by chatting with them first.

adj4u...
"the illegal alien problem could be helped by cutting the foriegn
aid(welfare) program and using the money to secure borders"

That would only weaken our allies in those foreign and strengthen our
foreign enemies (Venezula, Cuba, terrorists).

The best way is to build our neigbors economies in a way that it does
not directly compete with American jobs but supports them. If Mexico has
jobs then illegal wouldn't go over the border. Not to say that we should
send jobs over there but to build their economy. Say we have them send
their raw matierals, auto parts, crops, to us and we build the cars,
textiles, building product to the world.

voileazur while I might agree with you on some topics I think your
motives for your arguments is more instigation than actual resolution of
the problem since you live in a country not directly effected by the
problem.

ShadowEagle when ever you post about the Iraq War I question whether
you're actually against the war or against which ever authority is in
power.

So which is? Are against the war or are you an anarchist?

Here an article about a study of No Sex Until Marriage program being
taught in schools...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18093769/


We all know what the Bible teaches, and many other religious books,
states.... No Sex Until Marriage!

When Bush, a religious consevative, took office he put in place the no
sex until marriage sex ed program in place which almost every religious
athoritiy agreed with.

But does that program teach sexual responsibility or religious
obediance?

Here an article on Bush's no sex until marriage program
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18093769/

WASHINGTON - Students who participated in sexual abstinence programs
were just as likely to have sex a few years later as those who did not,
according to a long-awaited study mandated by Congress.

Also, those who attended one of the four abstinence classes reviewed
reported having similar numbers of sexual partners as those who did not
attend the classes, and they first had sex at about the same age as
their control group counterparts — 14.9 years, according to Mathematica
Policy Research Inc.

The federal government now spends about $176 million annually on
abstinence-until-marriage education. Critics have repeatedly said they
don’t believe the programs are working, and the study will give them
reinforcement.

However, Bush administration officials cautioned against drawing
sweeping conclusions from the study. They said the four programs
reviewed — among several hundred across the nation — were some of the
very first established after Congress overhauled the nation’s welfare
laws in 1996.

Not like vaccines
Officials said one lesson they learned from the study is that the
abstinence message should be reinforced in subsequent years to truly
affect behavior.

“This report confirms that these interventions are not like vaccines.
You can’t expect one dose in middle school, or a small dose, to be
protective all throughout the youth’s high school career,” said Harry
Wilson, the commissioner of the Family and Youth Services Bureau at the
Administration for Children and Families.

For its study, Mathematica looked at students in four abstinence
programs around the country as well as students from the same
communities who did not participate in the abstinence programs. The
2,057 youths came from big cities — Miami and Milwaukee — as well as
rural communities — Powhatan, Va., and Clarksdale, Miss.

The students who participated in abstinence education did so for one to
three years. Their average age was 11 to 12 when they entered the
programs back in 1999.

Mathematic then did a follow up survey in late 2005 and early 2006. By
that time, the average age for participants was about 16.5. Mathematica
found that about half of the abstinence students and about half from the
control group reported that they remained abstinent.

“I really do think it’s a two-part story. First, there is no evidence
that the programs increased the rate of sexual abstinence,” said Chris
Trenholm, a senior researcher at Mathematica who oversaw the study.
“However, the second part of the story that I think is equally important
is that we find no evidence that the programs increased the rate of
unprotected sex.”

Trenholm said his second point of emphasis was important because some
critics of abstinence programs have contended that they lead to less
frequent use of condoms.

Mathematica’s study could have serious implications as Congress
considers renewing this summer the block grant program for abstinence
education known as Title V. The federal government has authorized up to
$50 million annually for the program. Participating states then provide
$3 for every $4 they get from the federal government. Eight states
decline to take part in the grant program.

Some lawmakers and advocacy groups believe the federal government should
use that money for comprehensive sex education, which would include
abstinence as a piece of the curriculum.

“Members of Congress need to listen to what the evidence tells us,” said
William Smith, vice president for public policy at the Sexuality
Information and Education Council of the United States, which promotes
comprehensive sex education.

“This report should give a clear signal to members of Congress that the
program should be changed to support programs that work, or it should
end when it expires at the end of June,” Smith said.


Now here's questions for Social Conservatives.... How can you defend a
program that has the same results as the group who didn't go through
that program? What maybe expand the program until they get out the
school system and then they're on there own? Will their absteinace only
education protect them every time when they have unprotected sex?

So Bush won the prize of the White House by the skin of his teeth in
2000.
Bush has a Three of a kind: House has a pair

Bush gambles that Iraq had WMD and went to war. He took down Saddam's
regime. "Mission Complished!"
Bush has Full House: House has Three of a kind

Search for WMD turns up empty and with it US loses creditbility.
House has Royal Flush: Bush only has a pair.

Sectearian violent breaks out troops are tied down to maintain order and
control civil war.
****ties and Sunnis players enter the poker game. They have nothing to
lose and everything to gain. Bush mis-read them and thinks they're
bluffing.
****ties have a Full House: Sunnis have Three of a Kind: Bush nothing.

Iraq reconstuction delayed, Iraqi don't have the jobs to provide for
themselves and they join radical miltias.
****ties and Sunni radicals raises the stakes. Bush still wants stay in
the game.

2004 Bush win the election again by the skin of his teeth but progress
of war is on everyone mind.
Bush has a Full House: the House has a straight. ****ties and Sunnis
fold.

2006 3,000 soldiers dead, Republican who backed the War loses Congress
in mid-term elections.
House wins with a Royal Flush, Bush only has a pair. Iran who has been
helping the ****ties by cheating sees Bush's loss as a sign of US
weakness. They start their nuke program.

Bush proposes a Troop surge to end the sectearian killings and win the
war. Democrats want to bring back the troops home and try to get Bush to
compromise on the war with war budget proposal. Democrats stand firm on
their position. Bush threatens a veto knowing the Democrats don't have
enough votes to over ride it.
Congress tries to limit Bush's losses. Bush just plays on hopeing to win
back US losses.

But tell me how can the US get back over 3,000 American soldiers lives
back? How can US get back world it's creditibility? And how can the US
stablize the middle east (and with it control terrorism) with a war?

I guess we just have to wait until 2008...

Isn't that Clinton smoked pot and Bush snorted coke?

There once was an Indian who had only one testicle, and whose given name
was 'Onestone'.
He hated that name and asked everyone not to call him Onestone.
After years and years of torment, Onestone finally cracked and said, "If
anyone calls me Onestone again I will kill them!"
The word got around and nobody called him that any more.
Then one day a young woman named Blue Bird forgot and said, "Good
morning, Onestone."
He jumped up, grabbed her and took her deep into the forest where he
made love to her all day and all night.

He made love to her all the next day, until blue Bird died from
exhaustion.
The word got around that Onestone meant what he promised he would do.
Years went by and no one dared call him by his given name until a woman
named Yellow Bird returned to the village after being away.
Yellow Bird, who was Blue Bird's cousin, was overjoyed when she saw
Onestone.
She hugged him and said, "Good to see you, Onestone." Onestone grabbed
her, took her deep into the forest, then he made love To her all day,
made love to her all night, made love to her all the next day, made love
to her all the next night, but Yellow Bird wouldn' die!



What is the moral of this story?????...........................


OH, Come on...take a guess!


Think about it...


(You're going to love this!)



And the moral is...







You can't kill two birds with one stone!!

You have an education I grant you that Belushi, but you if you kept up
your current events in your own country on how history lessons are being
changed to accommodate students from other countries you would not
direct your anger at me but at those teaching history lessons in you own
country.