yes it happens in the car on the way to the motel room.....lmao

i think your profile is authentic to who you are....i give it a 9.3221

i didnt even read the poem. just checked ur profile
---im busted.

*are you the bull?*

hi im meg..welcome to mingle

bass in cars is okay to me....as long as their is not a lot of rattling with it...

also the motorcycles i swear sound like crap...its not even loud sexy..its just loud obnoxious.

and dangerous.

The sky

The sky is blue due to a phenomena called Rayleigh scattering. Lord Rayleigh was an old school physicist who got a lot done, and gets many things named after him (his name also would have come up if anyone had cared to know how ink jet printers work, even though he lived and died ages before Canon Inkjets). Rayleigh scattering is an approximate description of how light gets scattered when it hits a small particle, say, nitrogen gas (N2). We’re talking small small, like so small that the wavelength of light (approx. 400-700 nm or 0.0000157 - 0.0000276 inches) matter, and matter a lot.

For unpolarized light (like from the sun) the intensity of light subject to Rayleigh scattering can be described by this equation, which I just stole from Wikipedia because it’s way cooler than the version I have in my notes:

I = I0*(1 + cos2(theta))/2R2 * (2pi/lambda)4*((n2-1)/(n2+2))*(d/2)

Where I0 is the original intensity, theta is the scattering, R is the distance to the particle, n is the refractive index, lambda is the wavelength in question, and d is the particle diameter. So for a particle of N2, I0, n and d are constant, cos2(theta) varies between 0 and 1, so that leaves us with R and lambda as variables of importance. I is inversely proportional to both, with I proportional to 1/R2 and 1/lambda4. The 1/R part tells you that the farther you are from the source (scattering particle) the weaker the light is. If I’m 1 unit away, I = AI0, where A is the rest of that ****. If I’m two units away, then I = (1/4)AI0. 3 units, I = (1/9)AI0 and so on. That’s pretty boring.

So let’s look at the other term: 1/lambda4, or 1/(lambda*lambda*lambda*lambda). That’s a lot of damn lambdas. The intensity really gets to feel every little change in lambda. If lambda = 1, then I = I0. But if lambda = 2, then I = (1/16)I0. Lambda should be measured in the same units as R and d (in fact, take a moment to notice that there is R2 and lambda4 dependence in the denominator, and d6 dependence in the numerator. If you measure R, lambda, and d in the same units, say meters, then you end up with meters^6/(meter^4*meters^2) = meters^6/meters^6 = unitless. The rest of the factors (cos(theta), n) are also unitless, because the whole mess is just a factor that reduces I0. If your units don’t cancel, then you turn I into I*m or something equally meaningless. The process of using units without numbers to make sure your answer will result in the proper form is called unit analysis, and is quite handy during exams when you’ve forgotten an equation).

Since I is proportional to lambda to the fourth power, any increase in lambda will result in a significant decrease in I. This means that longer wavelengths will scatter less than shorter, blue scatters more than red.

The snow

Snow is actually very simple compared to the sky. It’s got much more in common with our easily understood crushed mirror. Snow consists of snowflakes, which are crystals of ice with gaps of air. So a pile of snow is basically a skajillion bajillion umptillion fine icecubes with some space in between. We’ve already discussed, at great length, index of refraction, n. The ice has a larger n than the air, so the light will bend a decent amount as it passes through the many interfaces of air and ice.

So light hits a snow crystal, and some bounces off the top. But some goes through, and hits the other side, where it bounces off that, but some goes through and hits the next ice piece at a slightly different angle and bounces off of that, but some goes through and…you get the picture:



A single ray of light bounces through some snowflakes, simplified picture. Obviously the first reflection is the brightest, and the next ones get significantly weaker. But that’s OK, because there’s more than enough incident light for all of our light scattering needs

The end result is a glowing, sparkling, uniform white.


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9 Responses to “Why the sky is blue and snow is white”
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1 ks
Aug 14th, 2007 at 9:58 am

Sure, you can tell your kids that it’s a reflection off the ocean, but this will really get them to shut the hell up.

No, please don’t tell them that. Because then when they get to a high school physics class (or university physics or astronomy class) people like me have to deal with correcting their misconceptions. And they tend to really cling to those misconceptions. I actually had one guy argue the point with me in the introductory astronomy class I teach (during class), because his grandmother told him it was reflection from the water and he refused to believe otherwise. Even after I pointed out that the sky is also blue in Kansas, where there is no ocean to reflect. So please, please, for the love of whatever deity you believe in, don’t tell the kids stupid **** that their teachers (me) have to later correct. If you don’t know the answer to their question, look it up.

2 Kyso Kisaen
Aug 14th, 2007 at 10:29 am

That’s really bizarre, seeing as how “it’s a reflection off the ocean” is up there with the Easter bunny in terms of measuring how much you’ve grown by being able to identify when the adults around you are feeding you a line.

Also, I’ve seen the ocean (three times!) and it is frequently not a clear, sky like blue.

3 ks
Aug 14th, 2007 at 12:14 pm

It doesn’t make sense to me either, but people really seem to want to hold on to their cherished childhood explanations for stuff. And it’s really hard to break them of it. The whole thing makes me crazy.

But then, my five year old gets told about the extinction of the dinosaurs as a bedtime story, he already knows about static electricity, why the sky is blue, and how the sun shines and a load of other stuff (obviously greatly simplified explanations of all these, but still correct–and it makes me nuts when his preK teachers tell him wrong stuff). That’s what happens when a physics teacher and electrical engineer reproduce.

4 nem0
Aug 14th, 2007 at 3:57 pm

And here I was told the ocean is blue because it reflects the sky. And besides, water isn’t generally blue. It picks up all kinds of colors from reflections and adulterants. Anyone who’s seen the Berkley Pit or any of the funky pools in Yellowstone Park up close can tell you that.

5 Phoenician in a time of Romans
Aug 14th, 2007 at 11:30 pm

Now provide a simple explanation for the rainbow effect on CDs. I’ve found it impossible to comment on “diffraction gratings” without drawing diagrams, and then I got the diagram messed up.

6 wookie
Oct 29th, 2007 at 10:01 am

So can I tell kids the sky is blue because that’s how nitrogen refracts?

7 ben dover
Dec 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pm

u guys are stupid the sky is blue because god wants it that way

8 MikeEss
Dec 18th, 2007 at 5:01 pm

“u guys are stupid the sky is blue because god wants it that way”

I feel so stupid for listening to all that “science” crap…

9 Kyso Kisaen
Dec 18th, 2007 at 6:35 pm

u guys are stupid the sky is blue because god wants it that way

As a scientist, I can not just accept that answer without understanding the mechanism by which God keeps the sky so blue, when by all rights after 6,000 or so years it should be experiencing bleaching effects from all that sun exposure. Truly Rayleigh scattering sings His glory, hallelujah!

I’ve seen sites where people have to throw God into every other sentence, lest he get angry that you are not constantly showering him with credit. Good God, would it suck to have to write journal articles like that. “It has been shown (ref. 2, 3) that carbon nanotubes can be formed using the methods described by Amad and Kane (ref 3). Praise be His Name! Tubes with diameters as small as 5 nanometers can be readily made, thank the Lord.”

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