And this brings me back to another point made in another thread, or even one made on this thread earlier. This is why we don't want to increase minimum wage.

If minimum wage were increased further, the less jobs there will be to go around, and the more things will cost to pay for the rising prices due to wage increases (and thus higher taxes companies have to match on a 941 pmt).

Tina

And I completely agree!

No, it would just be nice sometimes to all of those who have been following this conversation from the beginning if they didnt have to backtrack every time a person doesnt want to go back and read.

No offense. Just a statement.

Drew,

Due to people not reading the first few pages of a thread and jumping to the end, you are probably going to have to repeat yourself over and over and try to get your point across over and over as new people join the conversation at the most recent page. Someone else did this to me on another thread.

Tina

The last two sentences - I love them! That's great, couldn't have been said better.

Tina

Motivation is something that takes work as well. I have had my days when I didn't want to do anything, but I did. I did because I am a single mother, and that's what single mothers do. We suck it up and do it.

Sometimes the motivation is not always the first part of moving forward, it's telling yourself, "I'm GOING to do this, no matter what" and then doing it. Once a person have gone past one huge obstacle, they can look back knowing that they made it this far, and keep going off of motivation.

Tina

And if you look back a few pages, that's exactly what I was saying.

Tina

Thanks Gio,

This does get pretty tiring (you know what I mean). I will always hold my ground, though.

Some people think they have had a hard time in their lives, well, until you have had to be locked in a room in an Arab country, beat to hell, try to escape, eventually end up escaping but with only one of your children, come back to the US (kiss the ground upon arrival), live in extreme poverty, fight, fight, fight, and eventually get where I am on the right track and keep heading that direction, no one has the right to tell me it is not possible to better themselves. It is hard work, and that's just it, many people are not strong enough to handle it.

Then, to have people telling me that I need to give more than 3 times the taxes they are paying to help support them and their families, it is pretty ridiculous.

Tina

Read ALL of the posts of mine and the conversation that preceeds and follows, then comment. You shouldnt just pick one part of a conversation - it throws everything out of context.

I do see your point. What many people don't know, is that there is much federal funding for college now. When I went, I got grants. This not only paid for my education, it also gave me some to live off of. In addition to grants, you can get student loans, though yes, you will have to pay them back, the money made after graduation will make that pay-back seem so worth it (if the loans are taken in moderation).

And then, working a full-time job, that should take care of all the family's needs.

Tina

The thing too, is: There are many poor people who DO work very hard.

There are people working 2-3 jobs just to make it. I used to be there, dont get me wrong, and I DO have sympathy for those people.

I dont, however, think that those people will be struggling indifinitely. Eventually, because they are hard workers and will fight to survive, they will rise to a higher wage, either through hard work and experience or through an education.

Tina

Canada, what a great idea! All the wealthy people will move to Canada and leave the poor people here and THEN they will HAVE to work, right?

If you have never felt superior, why do you expect people to hand you their hard-earned money just because you are not young anymore and you have children?

Winx,

If that is a put down, look at the level of education for America verses Japan.

You need to get off yourself and look at a broader perspective. No one is "out to get you". These are just facts, not put downs. I AM an American, too, and I would like to know that my children are getting a better education than that which is currently provided.

Tina

Thank You, Lindyy!

I would like you to know that I don't mind helping people in need. Every year, my family goes to a homeless shelter and buys Christmas gifts for the children living in these shelters. I specifically remember spending my entire Christmas day helping the younger children at a shelter learn how to ride their new bikes we had just bought them (amongst thousands of dollars worth of other gifts).

Another year, I had (on my own, above and beyond what I helped my family do) gone to another shelter for young teen mothers, and not only did I buy gifts for all of those teen mother's children, but gifts for the teen mothers as well.

Another year, we bought half of a department store for Christmas(clothes, toys, shoes, ...) for 24 children from low-income families.

I am a very giving person on top of paying my taxes, but I don't give to the person who is demanding and expects it.

Tina

You DO know, though, that it IS possible for you to do better for you and your family.

No one is saying that just because you are poor you are stupid. I am saying that there are so many resources out there for single parents to make a better life for themselves, and the argument before (WINX, I think said) that people that are older with children will never make any better of a life for themselves or their families other than minimum wage and that minimum wage should be increased. You can look back and see that conversation.

You can also see in other threads where I have told my story, and argued that many people are perfectly happy with making a lower income. They are happy to spend more time with their families and would opt to not work so hard in their life. What I am saying is, that's fine, but I don't want them to whine and say that somehow because I HAVE worked hard to earn good money, I owe them by paying more than 1/3 of what I earn to them.

Hope that clarifies.

Tina

AND THESE, are the people that the wealthy WANT to help. People who think that they are somehow OWED something because they are poor (or as the uneducated say 'po') are not the people that deserve any more support.

Tina

Why are you being rude?


There are so many people that think: Because someone made good money by working really hard to get it, they should then help the people who have not done anything with their life to make themselves better.

There is already so much more taxes imposed on the people considered "wealthy", so again, I say - if more taxes are necessary to make the lower income families happy, what is the point to ever make something of oneself?

Everything I have done to make myself something, then 1/2-1/3 of my earnings is given to someone who doesnt do anything for themselves.

This is why I am irritated.

Tina

Let me spell it out in words that people like you can understand.

Let's say you are selling candybars to earn your way to camp. If you sell 200 candybars, you have earned a free ride to camp. Any more candybars you sell over 200, you will get $.10 of spending money while you are at camp. Your classmates all have the same amount to sell for a free ride to camp and spending money as well.

You work your butt off day and night and all weekend long to sell 250 candybars. This must mean that not only do you have a free ride to camp, but you also get $5 in spending money.

Now everything turns around and you are forced to help the kids that did nothing to earn their free ride and the camp director now tells you that 1/3 of your candybar sales are going to help other kids, and you no longer have a free ride to camp.

This means that you are going to have to sell 45 more candybars (now, hopefully you know that the tax will still count on the candybars you are going to have to re-sell in order to pay your way) The math is done like this: 250*2/3 = 166.67. Well, no one can only sell .33 of a candybar, so we round up one. We have to sell 34 candybars, but those 34 will then be taxed, so we multiply. 34*1.33333=45.33333 (we rounded up before, so now we can round down to 45).

Maybe this can make a little more sense to all of you that can't think past the scope of a childhood education.

Tina

You know, you would probably get more responses if you had your own words to say and didnt copy and paste so much.