Some foolish men declare that a creator made the world. The doctrine that the world was created is ill advised and should be rejected. If God created the world, where was he before the creation? If you say he was transcendent then and needed no support, where is he now? How could God have made this world without any raw material? If you say that he made this first, and then the world, you are faced with an endless regression. If you declare that this raw material arose naturally you fall into another fallacy, For the whole universe might thus have been its own creator, and have arisen quite naturally. If God created the world by an act of his own will, without any raw material, then it is just his will and nothing else — and who will believe this silly nonsense? If he is ever perfect and complete, how could the will to create have arisen in him? If, on the other hand, he is not perfect, he could no more create the universe than a potter could. If he is form-less, action-less and all-embracing, how could he have created the world? Such a soul, devoid of all morality, would have no desire to create anything. If he is perfect, he does not strive for the three aims of man, so what advantage would he gain by creating the universe? If you say that he created to no purpose because it was his nature to do so, then God is pointless. If he created in some kind of sport, it was the sport of a foolish child, leading to trouble. If he created because of the karma of embodied beings [acquired in a previous creation] He is not the Almighty Lord, but subordinate to something else. If out of love for living beings and need of them he made the world, why did he not take creation wholly blissful free from misfortune? If he were transcendent he would not create, for he would be free: Nor if involved in transmigration, for then he would not be almighty. Thus the doctrine that the world was created by God makes no sense at all, And God commits great sin in slaying the children whom he himself created. If you say that he slays only to destroy evil beings, why did he create such beings in the first place? Good men should combat the believer in divine creation, maddened by an evil doctrine. Know that the world is uncreated, as time itself is, without beginning or end, and is based on the principles, life and rest. Uncreated and indestructible, it endures under the compulsion of its own nature.

WEll, when it comes to males actors, I have to say I think Ed Norton is the best in his generation.
Harder to pin a certain female, but I think my vote, right now, would have to be Keira Knightley

They both have a great range they play and are most always entertaining

Yeah, the lack of run defense, and third string starting secondary had me worried for a few...but with Peyton and company on offense, We'll be fine. I don't see us losing any games til MAYBE tenn on last game of the season!!!

If I can't get a medium rare steak, with all the trimmings, for get it!!!

Besides, Billy Graham said there's no sex in heaven, so I cancelled my reservations!!!

ACtually, sounds more like what the pagans first accepted when 'converted' to christianity. blending of the old and the new to justify both.

interesting...but if the bible IS the creation, then that philosophy means there couldn't be anything prior!...
I do find such rationalizations interesting.....ridiculas, but interesting

Miles, I won't deny that what is determined as miracles do happen. Many unexplained occurances, all ove rthe world. The same story of healing you told, would be interpeted as done by jesus, if from a christian POV, or Allah if muslum, or (insert diety/religeon here) . SO who's to say who's right and who's wrong? Each will fall back upon whatever beliefs they are taught as their faith dictates. My personal views don't relate to any recognised religeon or cults, so I look at it from a different point of view. I don't deny others their collective faiths, it only pisses me off when they attempt to intrude on my version,as their truth is the only truth. Even when all evidence is to the contrary. REality cannot intrude on faith!...ROFL...So, yes, I see religeon as mythology.Belief is dangerous, because it's set in stone. I'd rather have ideas and learn.

ANd technically, it's the Hebrew myth the hold onto, and not an original one of their own!

Oh so true. What we call mythology today, was the religeons of their day. So I call all religeons mythologies.

Hey Krims...Yes, I was aware of most of that which you've stated. Also, the leading theory of the location for 'eden. is the persian gulf...the 4 rivers are ID'd as tirgis/euphr., and two DRY riverbeds which empty there, so it's location is underwater in the persian gulf. And the hebrew scource for their copying of sumerian tales?...They got it when they were slaves under babylon, released by Alexander the great to go back to palastine. ANd most books of the old testament found, are dated to this time period. I've always wonderred if their exposure to monotheism ( zorostrianism,to be exact) while there influenced their views of divinity.

It's tan out of a box...all that burning brimstone!

TRied...hit the firewall, and POOF...Up in smoke....

If anyone choses THe Partridgr Family, they should be banned for life!


ADd to the british list:

ARe you being served
Absolutely Fabulous

Don't fret yourselves..Stoning has been taken care of for the evening...

Much rather watch the animation

Ok, subject of this post will be what movies do you want added to your dvd collection, but have yet to be released(at least in your country)


Pirates -1986 w/ walter matthau

If you wish to use that as an example, YES!!...hahaha AMoung others...THe genesis creation myth, has been proved to be a copy of the sumerian/babalonian creation myth..the names have been changed to protect the divine....:)

Ok, as far as the bible itself is concerned...Question should then be,' Are there truths in it?'. I believe, like most theologies/mythologies, there is a grain of truth behind most all stories. Events that did happen, and can often be proved as such, by the usual scientific methods. But it was written with the slant of the writer of the time. Today ,we know what causes a solar eclipse...but to those of the period the book in question was written, it was the hand of whichever gods they put belief in. OR to whom were they dedicating the story too? Writers of the day were more court scribes,as well temple-bound, and not the common man. Thus are stories/histories written by them will have that slant to it. And once a religeous slant is put on it, that's the truth, irregardless of the facts! Which also explains some of the inconsistantcies found with in it too. That and much being written,secondhand. Not by observers to events. Thus any and all histories should be read with a eye to that.

Man created gods in his own image

While walking down the street one day, a senator is tragically hit by a truck and killed. His soul arrives in
Heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.
"Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so
we're not sure what to do with you."
"No problem, just let me in," says the senator.
"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."
"There's no need! I want to be in Heaven," says the senator.
"I'm sorry, but we have our rules." And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator, the doors open, and he rides the elevator down, down, down. When the doors open again, the senator finds himself in the middle of a
beautiful green golf course. In the distance is a club, and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.Everyone is very happy and in formal dress. They run to greet him, and they
reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar.
Also present is the Devil, who is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that, before the senator realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and
waves while the elevator rises. The elevator goes up, up, up, and the door reopens in Heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.
So 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by, and St. Peter
returns.
"Well, you've spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven. Now, you must choose where you want to spend eternity."
He reflects for a minute and then answers, "Well, I would never would have thought it, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better satisfied in Hell."
So Saint Peter escorts him to the elevator, and down, down, down he goes into Hell. Now, the doors of the elevator open, and he is in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. And it's hot, hot, hot, and the odor is just horrible. Sweltering hot. Hot and miserable. The Devil comes over to him and smoothly lays his arm around his shoulder.
"I don't understand," stammers the senator. "The day before I was here, and there was a golf course and club, and we ate lobster and caviar and danced and had a great time. Now all there is is a wasteland full of garbage, and
my friends look miserable."
The Devil looks at the senator, smiles, and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning. Today you voted for us."