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ten; world of jenks. ten thirty; the buried life. eleven; chelsea lately. eleven thirty; colbert report. <3 I don't know any of those =S TV is so different here. |
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Damn! just realized that came out wrong! LOL... too late, I already messaged you =P |
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apparently coffee should be decaf after 9pm... 
Haha. Don't you hate when you go to a coffee shop and you ask for decaf........ what's the point? Some people can't have caffeine after a certain time.... ? |
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it's too early for me to fall asleep. i got shows to watch. Late Late Night With TV's Craig Ferguson!!!! |
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Ok you people are boring. I can't fall asleep because it was Canadian thanksgiving tonight and I'm stuffed from the stuffing. 
i thought Canadians were polite folks... guess i was wrong Very wrong! haha. Some are ridiculously rude... |
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I think this same convo is goin on in like, 3 diff threads! This is the cool thread. |
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apparently coffee should be decaf after 9pm...
Haha. Don't you hate when you go to a coffee shop and you ask for decaf and there's a thought in the back of your mind that the waiter is incompetent and is going to give you regular? |
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Ok you people are boring.
I can't fall asleep because it was Canadian thanksgiving tonight and I'm stuffed from the stuffing.
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Tell us why!
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They Walk Among Us
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The universe expansion is being misunderstood, I believe. If one could hang an infinite number of spheres within the interior of a balloon, and imagine the space between those expanding in the same direction as the balloon what would you have? From any given one it would all look the same. That is how it is. No one place is special, and there is no way to tell if and where the expansion began. That's Friedmann's balloon model...... and for the last fricken time, it's UNPROVEN. Did you even read the last post I made about how you assume that mere theories are fact as a pretext to build an argument? Well there it is. |
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Being that the Universe (Theoretically) is Constantly Expanding and Contracting it Would Be Near Impossible to Know where the Center of the Universe is and that would also imply that it has a Beginning and end to which we are not sure there is such a thing. everything involving the universe is Theory. the Reality is that We've truly only explored our arm of the milkyway I freaking quoted Hawking. What more do you people need? But of course you all have PhD's. At least I have the decency to not talk as if I know anything on the matter and simply quote one of the world's best minds. But you all can keep posting as if you have all the answers to life's questions... You Can Qoute all You Want it's all theory! Stephen Hawking Doesn't know with 100% Certainty that this is a Fact. Nooo! It's not a theory. It's an observation. That's like me saying "ever notice that it gets hot in the summer?" and you answer "that's just a theory". A theory is a proposed solution to an observation... like for example, Hawking saying that it could be that you will always seem to be in the center of the universe because of the way it expands, or Friedmann's balloon model. THESE are theories... unproven. But the observation still stands. |
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There are better arguments for design. Yes there are, but the fact that it's Hawking, an atheist, who said it makes it more credible. |
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There are better arguments for design. Yes there are, but the fact that it's Hawking, an atheist, who said it makes it more credible. |
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I found the quote here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/4051954/Stephen-Hawking-A-Brief-History-of-Time page 25 fourth paragraph and it seems to have been quite taken out of context. Hawking was referring to another scientist Friedmann's work from 1922 and went on to offer an alternative theory in the next sentence. The quote is not taken out of context because it doesn't need a context. The fact that the universe is expanding away from us is not a theory, it is an observation. Now, the explanations that Freidmann and Hawking give, those are theories and are completely unproven and you guys are using them as a base to make your arguments. I never made an argument, I quoted the observation and proposed the most natural answer which is that we are at the universe's center. I then made a leap of logic to my belief which is that there is an Architect. My intention was never to prove this leap of logic, because I don't think it can ever be proven. But I do believe that my method (which is to present the facts and to offer an unprovable solution) is much more noble than to assume mere theories as fact so that an argument can be made. |
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My point was simple... You, Gianni have no idea what you are talking about. As has just been mentioned, Hawking's statement was not only taken out of context, it was also completely misunderstood. You keep on saying this and that while completely avoiding the most important terms in the quote. Seem to be... In order to understand what he was saying, one must be aware of the fact that the universe looks the same, no matter where you are within it. Wherever one may be, it seems that it is the center. That is a direct result from the universe expanding in all directions. That is known from observation. Has it "clicked" yet? 
OOOHHHhhhhhhhhh of course!!! It just clicked! So you're saying that wherever you are in the universe, it always appears that you are at the center because it's expanding in all directions.... uhuh, makes sooo much sense. So tell me, what galaxy did you last visit so that you can test this hypothesis? Keep in mind that since the Universe is ginormrous, one can only imagine how far away from earth you would have to be to make an accurate test of this hypothesis. What you guys don't seem to understand is that what I quoted from Hawking is an observation, not a theory. |
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Being that the Universe (Theoretically) is Constantly Expanding and Contracting it Would Be Near Impossible to Know where the Center of the Universe is and that would also imply that it has a Beginning and end to which we are not sure there is such a thing. everything involving the universe is Theory. the Reality is that We've truly only explored our arm of the milkyway I freaking quoted Hawking. What more do you people need? But of course you all have PhD's. At least I have the decency to not talk as if I know anything on the matter and simply quote one of the world's best minds. But you all can keep posting as if you have all the answers to life's questions... |
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That's extremely far from being proven buddy. Hawking just stated this as a possible explanation, but he himself said that its just a theory. It's really just a way of avoiding the 'problem' of design.
I could not agree more with the above underlined, if it is referring to the idea that the universe looks the same no matter where you are within it. I could not disagree more if it is an attempt to claim that the universe is not expanding in all directions. That 'theory' accounts for every piece of scientific knowledge that we have at this moment in time and completely supports the Big Bang. Creationism however, with it's inherent personification of 'God',regardless of whether it is of the fundamental variety or intelligent design, leaves little to be desired and much to be assumed. I was not the one attempting to use Hawking(who happens to be atheist) to support an argument for intelligent design. I found it quite ironic that someone else did. Based upon the support which was given, I simply clarified the actual theory, consequently dismissing it as a valid support for the argument of design. It is clearly an argument for the big bang, nothing more, nothing less... 
What are you talking about? It's the opposite. Hawking said that it seems that we are the center of the universe since other galaxies are all moving away from us (I freaking provided the quote), and then he proposed that it could be that it appears that way from wherever you are in the universe only as a mere theory. The first statement is almost definite, the second is ions away from being proven and is simply just a cop out. I know Hawking is an atheist, that's why quoting him saying "there is something special about our place in the universe" is such a strong argument to make against the big explosion thing that somehow miraculously brought about all that we know. You know... for somehow who uses big words like "consequently", you sure don't say much. You're entire last post can be summed down to "Big Bang = good, Booo creationism!"... seriously, read what you write before you post it and ask yourself "among all these fluff words, do I actually have a point?" |
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It's a fact that as physicists study the expansion of the universe, they observe that the Earth seems to be at it's center.
To quote Stephen Hawkings: "...all this evidence that the universe looks the same whichever direction we look in might seem to suggest there is something special about our place in the universe. In particular, it might seem that if we observe all other galaxies to be moving away from us, then we must be at the center of the universe." You say coincidence? I say design. We are probably alone is this infinite universe, sorry to rain on your parade. The frame of reference from wherever you would actually be in the universe makes it so that it seems that you are viewing from the center. It expands in all directions. No worries, I have my umbrella.
That's extremely far from being proven buddy. Hawking just stated this as a possible explanation, but he himself said that its just a theory. It's really just a way of avoiding the 'problem' of design. |
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It's a fact that as physicists study the expansion of the universe, they observe that the Earth seems to be at it's center.
To quote Stephen Hawkings: "...all this evidence that the universe looks the same whichever direction we look in might seem to suggest there is something special about our place in the universe. In particular, it might seem that if we observe all other galaxies to be moving away from us, then we must be at the center of the universe." You say coincidence? I say design. We are probably alone is this infinite universe, sorry to rain on your parade. |
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Beautiful.... How come some guys are so stuck on physical appearance of one's body... I've noticed more times than not that there are many girls in on this site who are absolutely gorgeous but I'm sure they would be considered to be more of a full figured type of person.... How do you feel about this... and would you date a gorgeous girl if she was... if not... what is your cut off... would you prefer her to be bigger if she was solid? Just wondering.. it's crossed my mind a few time when looking through forums and pages and I'm just wondering what you think? I don't mind a big girl =P.. nor do I mind a not so big girl. |
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