ROFLMAO..umm Gypsy is just Gypsy!!! Neither considered male or female. Not sure if anyone REALLY knows. But always good for a chuckle in the threads..hell look, over 53K posts and counting!

Hey thats my imaginary bf eric!!!!

LOL, sorry bro..I don't look real close at guy pics, actually never pay attention to them. So again, my fault, was just trying to add to your post. From the question itself, I just did that bad thing...assumed...you were much younger.

LOL..well chit! My BAD!

I don't look at profiles much. I was thinking you were maybe around 20 or so (my son's age).

No wonder you described the place where you are like that..you are OLD SCHOOL!

I grew up in the mid-west. Not the sharpest tools in the shed, but you could RELY on them!

I sure miss that. I am fortunate, I have some great friends, many 20+ years.

Well I better not give too much away..cause Gypsy is watching and she's trying to guess who I is.

Ya think??? Wanna bet???

Little brother, just had to add this in to let you think about it.

It seems you have a good mind and starting to ask at least questions...never lose that and always question, always think. You'll still have potholes in life, but a LOT fewer when you put thought into it.

As to people thinking marriage/divorce can be just "on paper", thats simply because thats how they are conditioned (taught in subtle ways) to think.

The IQ in the USA has been dropping significantly for the last 30 years or more. And the issue of "education" has been before our government since I can remember (I am 42).

Now, why hasn;t our government ever fixed our "education" problems?? You think its by accident? Much of what you see is NOT accident, but planned and designed by the powers that be (those pulling the strings behind congress, senate and whitehouse). Now ask WHY???

You answers come in the form of questions....

Which is easier to lead/manipulate..an educated thinker, or an idiot that can't even count back coreect change for a $10 bill?

Which will ask less questions???

Which will more easily conform to "your" ways of doing business, etc?

Starting to see any connections?

Life can actually make a lot more sense once you get past the "weapons of mass distraction" thrown out by our "establishment". They will keep the smoke and mirrors going for as long as they can so they keep the control.

Just something to think about.

Well you have some good ideas in some forms here.

You are a younger generation and its still getting worse.

I come from a time and place that does not exist anymore and you are probably to young to have ever seen it. Now, you may have seen parts of it from your parents (and it sounds like that and that is a very good thing) but you have never experiences it through sources outside your family.

Now where and when I was raised, basically the huge majority of the time, you could count on what a person was saying to you, good , bad , or indifferent.

If they said they were going to help you, you could count on that and they would do everything they could. If they said they were going to kick your *ss, then you better get your fists up, because its coming.

And I was never a "me" person, so I can only understand from an outsider's view.

I would easily and without thought of self, stand in front of any kind of harm for someone I loved. I have always cared about those I love more than myself. Not that I have low self esteem or value, I am a very confident person and in who I am. I simply know the true definition of love, which would be careing more about that other person than yourself, without reservation and or agendas, etc.

To find "true love" these days...good luck brother. because you are talking in terms of a marriage style relationship and that takes more than just "love".

It's a relationship that must connect on many levels and can be a complex maze at times. And now we live in a world of the selfish and self-centered, add to that all the confusion and ignorance (in its truest form again), then you would find something extremely rare...and either of you would be fools to ever let that go.

Sounds like you are on a decent road to discovery...hope you find your way!

native americans can hand-fast..look in to it.

in the heart,.. not on paper...
it rapes him,..and it rapes her...
the system lacks,.. and it'll use you...
phuck you up,.. and abuses you...
and divorce,.. is most certain...
it'll for sure,.. pull the curtain...



the heart is stronger than paper.....it has been since the ice age.....no paper there....

I would do anything for love,especially if it's for the "one"
And,marriage is a real commitment so no it's not only just a document...

I see some real problems in your question.

First, you have to take into consideration how many people even know what the true definitions of these words are.

Unfortunately most people these days have no clue what the real meaning and value of these words are. They say things like "I love you" like it is something of very common place. They say it in an ignorance that astounds me (and I mean ignorant in its true form, they simply do not know, because they were never taught or learned a different form).

So first, do you know what you are really asking? And if you think so, what are your definitions? Give some examples. That way you may be able to get more detailed and direct answers. Many levels to be considered.

the one truest form of love is the love of a parent for a child. my daughter has a place in my heart that no one will or can ever take. when you would die to protect them, you know you love them

I've given her my all, but she doesn't want it.
I've let go, and gone with the flow, but she turns off the faucet.
My past leads my way, no longer will i be foolish.