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Quickest way to lose a friend is to make them your roommate for awhile.
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I like cheese.
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Nobody here but us lemmings. I think.
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Leave the internet alone. The internet was made for porn.
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Alienware
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Alienware builds good computers... If you want to pay at least four times what it would cost you to build your own.
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Read my lips... no new taxes
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Don't care. Obama should have vetoed it, just like Bush did.
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Read my lips... no new taxes
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No worries smokers. Whenever the government decides to ban/tax the hell out of something, the criminal elements will find a way to profit from it. I wonder how well Obama is going to be praised for this tax hike when it results in more funds being used for terrorism and human smuggling operations overseas....
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Read my lips... no new taxes
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It's not specifically targeted for people making under $250,000. That's my point. It's for all incomes that smoke. You say that like it matters.
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Read my lips... no new taxes
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Do you have a crystal ball, Wiley? Don't need one. How else do you think the government is going to keep operating after not one but three failed stimulus (translated porkulus) bills? They don't print their own money any more. |
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Read my lips... no new taxes
Edited by
wiley
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Thu 04/02/09 07:54 PM
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We're discussing the promise that he hasn't kept, and that is a promise not to raise "ANY" of "YOUR TAXES". That includes personal and non-personal taxes that you or I pay. "Any" means "any". In the future, he will also break the promise not to raise "income or payroll taxes", but for now this remains my speculation only. The only reason he hasn't already is because he is letting the Bush tax "cuts" expire. Then he'll raise taxes on top of that for the double whammy. |
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Read my lips... no new taxes
Edited by
wiley
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Thu 04/02/09 05:42 PM
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And, BOY, state sales taxes vary not just in percentage, but by items. What I don't get is if the taxes on cigarettes are to pay for children's health care and this new tax forces people to quit being that the price is so prohibitive, will they raise the money they are trying to raise? And, why not hit beer, wine and liquor up, too. And people who want to watch/read porn and see men and women strip, and on legalized prostitution? If government is so bent on scapegoating smokers, they should be more than willing to use those other sins for taxation. There's more to it than that. There will be less smokers then. Less smokers means less sick people. Less sick people means less health care costs. Also, hopefully, there will be less children smoking too. Winx, Winx, Winx you already sound like an exsmoker  There will be less sick people when we stop interfering with nature; all those additives and chemicals added to our foods. There will be less sick people when fat is removed from our foods, when we all just consume organic raw materials. So I as a smoker don't buy that at all. People should not smoke, unless they chose to, I chose to, why should I pay more than those that consume alcohol or eat fast food 24-7? Smokers are being used as a scapegoat. If this new tax helps and makes others quit, yayyyyyyy. Still it is my choice to smoke, why am I being singled out? and as for the money being used for a particular cause, don't believe it. They'll tell you anything to get you behind them then they kinda forget and use funds elsewhere.  Nope, I'm still a smoker. I do see both sides of the issue though.  And..BeeOrganic was saying that Obama was not telling the truth about the tax increase and I believe that he did. You had to set me straight  I was responding to your post. re: Pres. Obama telling the truth, he may have had good intentions but the comment does have a few gray areas (open to interpretation) And..I was responding to a post as well. I had guessed that when Obama said that there would be no personal tax increase for the middle class that he would have to get the money for his programs from somewhere else. I guess this is where it's going to be coming from. Well that and the repeal of the Bush tax cuts, and other "hidden tax" increases like this one. He can get away with saying he isn't raising taxes, because technically he isn't. Not the ones that are plainly visible like the IRS tax tables anyway. He said he would not increase personal taxes - income and payroll taxes. This is a sales tax. No it isn't.  A sales tax isn't restricted to certain items, unless you are dealing with perishable goods (where a sales tax may not be applicable.) This is not a tax on the sale. It is a tax in addition to the sale. That is why the price keeps increasing.
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Read my lips... no new taxes
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What are they going to tax instead when cigarettes are eventually banned? That seems to be what they're pushing for.
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Read my lips... no new taxes
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ok....Bush vetoed it before....so non-issue now. it goes through the government to be passed...then the president signs it. why wouldn't obama veto it A better question -- why would you expect him to? He's a democrat. |
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Read my lips... no new taxes
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Obama was talking about personal taxes. I thought that was obvious. He wasn't talking about any sales taxes. The tobacco tax isn't a sales tax. It's a "sin" tax. is that like when one steals or covets thy neighbor's wife/hubby? or when one is adulterous??? are those taxed too???  No. That would make some kind of sense. Nothing the government does makes sense. |
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Read my lips... no new taxes
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And, BOY, state sales taxes vary not just in percentage, but by items. What I don't get is if the taxes on cigarettes are to pay for children's health care and this new tax forces people to quit being that the price is so prohibitive, will they raise the money they are trying to raise? And, why not hit beer, wine and liquor up, too. And people who want to watch/read porn and see men and women strip, and on legalized prostitution? If government is so bent on scapegoating smokers, they should be more than willing to use those other sins for taxation. There's more to it than that. There will be less smokers then. Less smokers means less sick people. Less sick people means less health care costs. Also, hopefully, there will be less children smoking too. Winx, Winx, Winx you already sound like an exsmoker There will be less sick people when we stop interfering with nature; all those additives and chemicals added to our foods. There will be less sick people when fat is removed from our foods, when we all just consume organic raw materials. So I as a smoker don't buy that at all. People should not smoke, unless they chose to, I chose to, why should I pay more than those that consume alcohol or eat fast food 24-7? Smokers are being used as a scapegoat. If this new tax helps and makes others quit, yayyyyyyy. Still it is my choice to smoke, why am I being singled out? and as for the money being used for a particular cause, don't believe it. They'll tell you anything to get you behind them then they kinda forget and use funds elsewhere. Nope, I'm still a smoker. I do see both sides of the issue though. And..BeeOrganic was saying that Obama was not telling the truth about the tax increase and I believe that he did. You had to set me straight I was responding to your post. re: Pres. Obama telling the truth, he may have had good intentions but the comment does have a few gray areas (open to interpretation) And..I was responding to a post as well. I had guessed that when Obama said that there would be no personal tax increase for the middle class that he would have to get the money for his programs from somewhere else. I guess this is where it's going to be coming from. Well that and the repeal of the Bush tax cuts, and other "hidden tax" increases like this one. He can get away with saying he isn't raising taxes, because technically he isn't. Not the ones that are plainly visible like the IRS tax tables anyway. |
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Read my lips... no new taxes
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And, why not hit beer, wine and liquor up, too. They already do. Just not to the same extent. |
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Read my lips... no new taxes
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Obama was talking about personal taxes. I thought that was obvious. He wasn't talking about any sales taxes. The tobacco tax isn't a sales tax. It's a "sin" tax. |
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Stop feeding the trolls. Thank you for your cooperation. This has been a public service announcement.
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Censorship
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Fine...but the library and the airwaves are public. I think any entity that receives tax money to operate is considered public. There is a huge difference between what I said and advocating censorship in public mediums. However, it is the right of any person in a privately owned establishment to censor whatever they wish, if they so choose. The first amendment only applies to censorship by the US government. Nowhere else. Nor should it. And the "what about the children?" argument is completely appropriate in some situations. Just not this one. |
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Tea Party Protests are on April 15!
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