Ron Paul is probably one of the most honest and intelligent politicians out there. In fact i think he is more in touch of reality than anyone in our current administration.
Popularlity does not mean a thing, positive or negative. Although i do find it interesting that he received more donations from military me than every other candidate combined. Nevertheless, people in masses are stupid. This is why our forefathers spoke out against a democracy, and gave us a republic instead. The democratic counterpart of the republic was merely to keep the powers in check.

What happened? People became complacent and stupid. If everyone knew how our banking worked, no one would put their money in it.

Anyhow...

But... He obviously does not know everything... And neither do I. All he preaches are the fundementals that our country was founded on.

You call it B.S. But i have to repeat quotes from our founding father.

"I have no fear that the result of our experiment will be that men may be trusted to govern themselves without a master. "
Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. "
Thomas Jefferson


All Ron Paul preaches is that we need to be more independent. All i say is that i think he's is on to something.

This is interesting... And while i don't disagree, i still have to argue against the centralization of power over any school system (or government). And this is my argument against the department of education. One size does not always fit all...


I think you and i agree more than we would like to admit... We seem to agree on the problem, just not the source.

What what is it you think "America" Stands for? I guess i can see why you where a sheep would side withthe wolves to take on the lion...

But the wolves are a threat too my friend. Go ahead and blind yourself with color, and choose sides. The only way you will be informative to people is to stop the petty party bashing and start educating them on how things work, and how certain proposals could endanger or help us.

Ignorance has always been our biggest enemy my friend. Always, to mankind, and since long before the revolution. Merry christmas my brother!

Great, give all the power to the corrupt democrats. At least now the corrupt parties appear to have the illusion of fighting eachother.

On the positive side, at least people might think about the issues instead of the parties. Hmmm.... Maybe we should do that now instead of devoting our time to attacking another party... Biased = ignorance.

I wonder how we can reteach the population a little personal responsibility?

No sir, been doing my own research. Perhaps i could be wrong, but carter was at least wanting to take credit for signing it into affect in 1977. When they separated the departments, did the department of education have more power than before? Or perhaps more funding? Things to take into consideration...

But what you say may make sense. After all, how long has the school system taught students that America is a democracy? (This still ticks me off.)

One thing, that i have found to be true, you may disagree, but in the military small units are much more affective. When the units become bigger, the power gets more centralized. Following this is mismanagement, and inefficiency. Do you have any idea how easy it is for a team of 4, combined with a mortar team, to take on hundreds of U.S. troops and come out unharmed? Chaos is easy to create when power is centralized and units are too big.

Wonder if that comes into effect for the rest of the government too...

Either way, i don't know of any teacher that approves of the majority of our educational system. My mother was a teacher, my sister tests children for learning disabilities, my cousin/neighbor is also in childhood development, studying to become a teacher.

We didn't go from first to 12th overnight.

According to my sociology textbook we started slipping in the late late 70's early 80's.

It's been pretty steady since.

In psychology we studied how government regulations required schools to continually "dumb down" their textbooks/instruction because people were "having trouble keeping up". Supposedly we have gone through several of these "dumbing down" processes.

This is all before i ever found out when the DOE was invented.

Either way, since 1990, i think you will find less concentration on core components of Reading, writing, and arithmetic, and more components on things like computer/typing proficiencies, and cultural awareness.

I also think you will find parents less able (AND less willing) to teach their kids pretty much anything, as now it's nearly impossible to have only one working parent. This has little to do with the DOE, and more to do with economics, and some feminists that became a bit too extreme.

This all kinda plays into what we have been talking about in the original post.

Parents have less time with their kids, and less discipline makes that time more about plopping their kid in fron of a television set, or video game console to keep them entertained. Kids start to struggle in school because their brains aren't being worked as they are supposed to. Video games can and do lead to forms of ADD after all... Since they are struggling, the DOE threatens to cut funding to schools if they don't purchase simpler textbooks and direct more attention to the kids that are struggling, which in turn directs attention away from those really smart kids that are now getting awfully bored. (The easier curriculum is so the U.S. students look better, which hurts us in the long run.) So, once again, we sacrifice the future for the sake of the present. Now it's catching up to us.

The same thing happened to us economically.

Also, because parents aren't around as much, the kids are being raised more by state-approved organizations that don't like being sued. Now kids are kept from falling down and getting hurt. You never grow up if you don't have a few scrapped knees.

Screw it, people don't want a better system. They just want a cheap system.

No one really cares where the problem is, just that they don't have to worry about it.

Lessons will be learned soon. Within my lifetime anyhow. The system can't last forever without drastic changes.

Department of Education was invented in 1977 under the Carter presidency.

Seems to me, like we were number one until 1980 or so, and then we slipped to place number 12 or 13. Either way... We have to ask how much the Department of Education actually helped us.

My mother works for a billing agency. I can at least understand your point of view on this.

If you add insurance, you need to calculate the cost of insurance agents, billing agents, extra secretaries for the hospitals to keep more paperwork, and that leads to practices like "defensive medicine", which makes things even less efficient.

So taking the amount of extra employees you have to pay alone accounts for much of your $1,000 ER bill.

Then, as you said, Medicare will usually pay about $500 of that. So now the hospitals are starting to hurt financially, and where are they going to get the money, if not from the people and the staff?

I don't know....i'm just ranting... the whole thing ticks me off.

Bugs me...just bugs me. Under one president the government cannot be trusted, under another the government SHOULD be trusted. Screw that.

One answer to any problems we have with healthcare. Efficiency.

If we want to have the best wuality healthcare, for the most affordable price, you take a chainsaw to the red tape that was created. Cut out almost all third parties. Medicare/medicade have to go. Insurance should only be used if you genuinely can't afford coverage. Meaning: if you can afford beer and cigaretts but can't afford to pay your $150 doctor visit, you are wrong.

And for docs. Price gouging is wrong.

Step one, do away with regulations on medical schools (America, knowing there is a shortage of docs, only allow so many to graduate here in the U.S.)

Next, encourage hospitals to discourage the use of insurance.

Dr. Berry, In Tenn. Does this, and refuses any medicare or medicade patients. He only charges $35 a visit and often you can schedule a same day visit.


Wonder why that doesn't work for heavily regulated practices....

Either way. You will never find efficiency in bureaucracy. In fact, demorat, or republican, 90% of legislation benefits someone whose giving someone else money.

"People will never be taken care of unless they learn to take care of themselves."

This will be a though lesson to learn, but many will learn this within my lifetime.

For the most part, a Public option alone, will take the financial pressure from the people, and place it on the medical staff... That's your doctors and nurses and corresponding aids.

I will not go to college for 12 years and rack up a $200,000 bill, only to make $50,000 a year, would you?

to be perfectly honest, medicare and medicade are a big part of our problem. So i say overhall those, before starting anew. I bet my hospitalcould higher quite a bit more help with the 45 million dollars medicare owes them. And....if they actually paid the most of the bill when they did pay their hospitals....

Frankly i don't care much about the threat to medicade or medicare. I care more about the fact that the same retards the screwed those systems in the first place, are taking over more power.

Not to worry, our entire system will implode in the next 20 years (unless something drastic changes like moving to a world currency, or everyone in washington suddenly becomes honest). It's pretty much a mathematical certainty.

And by the way...the attacks on republicans or democrats is really counter productive when it comes to informing the masses...

Time to kick back and watch the fireworks.

It's called the "Department of Education".

David, you rock Good to see your philosophies and common sense again.

Military docs are usually doing their resident programs... Or they are career military.

Not a bad deal though... I'm thinking about going that route.

Where for? That looks like U.S. payscale...

Interesting....