agreed

Just got back from the concert in Houston(Flew from Oklahoma)
to see Paramore, my buddy won some tickets, and only 300 people were allowed to go. I really didn't like the band much until I heard them live today, They were amazing! They sound a million times better live than on their cd.

I'm not Jesus - Apocalyptica

When is it happening because i may be out of town?

Yarg, I be speakin without a debate partner.

They did try to convert muslims, but the only real area they tried, and did capture once, was Jerusalem. Of course there are too many Crusades to count and they all happened over the span of 100 years, so one of those had to fit the bill of what I was saying, eh?

Nope, the crusades was not a battle of freedom. It was a battle for a single area. The Muslims wanted control of the area, because they see it as holy, and the Crusaders wanted control if because they saw it as holy. All they did was fight for Jerusalem. They were not interested in controlling the Muslims, or enforcing rules on them,or enslaving them, they wanted Jerusalem back.

Of course, this is probably one of the few few few super rare examples in history.

on a side note, I totally misunderstood the intent of what was written, such is the problem with text, you can't really get a feel on what emotion is being used lol

I wasn't saying there are wars where freedom never applies, I was saying there are wars where freedom does not apply to you. Vietnam, was not a war for our freedom, the war in iraq is not a war for "Our" freedom. Freedom being The united states.(That last statement was my opinion of course, but I really don't see how it involves our freedom.)

The Crusades, there is an example of a war that did not involve freedom. Since you wanted one :P.

I am going to give an example, but I want it answered to the best of anyones abilities.

Let's say that a country, we will call this country Clyde, was attacked by another country, we will call this country Bonny.

The government structure of Clyde was destroyed and the people of Clyde were given the opportunity of being part of The United land masses of Bonny. Bonny was a carbon Copy of Clyde, in all of its rules etc. So basically the only thing that changed for the people was the name of their country, and the political figures.

Did they lose their freedom?

That sucks man :/. That stuff always sucks, had a similiar accident my ex moved to florida, yeesh did that turn into a mess.

Ok....

I wasn't questioning what Freedom meant to people, or the fact people give their lives for our freedom.

I was merely stating a fact. You can fight a war and it not be for your freedom. Freedom does have more than one price in a lot of cases, death/war is not the only price.

Air Bud, that movie made me sick.

???? Say that again I am having a hard time deciphering.

$4800!

But that was before I had the solid gold arms attached to my torso.

There are many prices for freedom war is not always the price, or the only price.

Just because you are at war, it may have nothing to do with your freedom. Though I do agree when dealing with freedom, generally there is a fight to be had, because there is always someone mad with power.

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Yup, I am in Tulsa, I knew there were a lot of fans here, just didn't know there was a club!

I seem to meet a lot of Packer fans up at the University.

Tulsanite is a word now.


I had no idea the used were coming to tulsa! Damnit!

Paramore

Even for Air Bud?

Yes, I loved that show, except for the whole L thing, that pissed me off.