Oh no! Not another German speaker that has become a lunatic

Very interesting though

Well I am not referring to it, just trying to understand a different concept that Abra is showing.

I would have to first study more about Zeno and his discovery, then understand why physics and math are not compatible in the sense that Abra is trying to decribe, then see how or what this can effect a belief in a designer or thereafter.

So get back at me in about 2 years and maybe I can give a rational answer that might make some sense

but don't count on it! My interest lies primarily in learning to speak and write different languages and to practice humanitarian and philanthropist endeavors.

Yet I am sure Abra will have a conclusion already figure out since he has been at it much longer then I will invest into.


Neverhteless, it is an interesting idea that might hold some ideas or further knowledge on the subject. It is great to see different perspectives. This tells us that the human mind wants to know. At least alot of us are curious about it.

Good for you! Keep worshipping as long as it sheds a smile on your face, I agree

Now have a strawberry

Ahh so there have been attempts. That is interesting. Not that I would understand it either.

but it does make you wonder if it is possible. I mean there are so many possiblities out there and we still stand divided not knowing for sure. Yes of course individuals claim to know or have the answer, but as a whole planet in agreement we don't have it yet, or so it seems.

For better terms let us use "motion" instead of circular for it looks circular or oval to me when it comes to looking at the actions of a atom and the actions of our universe with its planets rotating around our sun.

I just wanted to have people to observe or be aware that there is similiarity in both of them. Of course not exact similiarity and exact reasons, but the end result of the same motion practically is there.

Imagine that our planet wouldn't rotate from left to right but instead from up and down. How would the weather be then? Would we change the equator line as we know it to go a different direction? How would time be calculated? How would the seasons be? Perhaps longer or shorter or perhaps the same just backwards, if that is possible?

I mean imagine the solar system functioning exactly like an atom!

Okay this maybe a bit to bizzare for most to think about since it isn't possible. Or is it?

Perhaps in another universe there are planets that do this?


How do we know that we are actually upset down in this universe, but think we are right side up? Does gravity alone determine that?

Perhaps the gravity we know is actually inverted, yet we believe we are not.

Strange right!

I mean we know it isn't a exact circular motion, but the motion itself and in comparing both the atom and the universe has my puzzled.

I could imagine there are other universes that actually function quiet differently then how we know it. Perhaps not in a circular or oval or as described by jrbogie eliptical orbit patterns.

Afterall, these universes or galaxies are so huge we haven't even discovered a percentage of it yet. Would you agree everyone?

Wow well I believe many people don't know this information that you provide! That is for sure, even if it may be available on the internet or on videos.

It is simply fascinating, but sounds like a problem to worry about, or at least at seems like it. I mean I doubt we can do anything about it, but it surely does open up doors I could imagine.

The Gamma Ray Bursts are no joke. I will have to get more videos on this just out of curiousity.

As usual thanks for the rich information you provide us. Very interesting indeed

Okay, but do you see the similiarity at all or get the jist of what I am trying to say?

or the ring of trust

Perhaps unreasonable crazy people understand the world, yet no one really listens to them. I see it all the time in movies

Why didn't we get square planets and square suns instead? Have square dancing happening instead. Just weird why the circular motion is more popular. I guess it has something to do with motion without being interrrupted. Turning corners would slow down a object like a cube would offer as opposed to a circular planet that spins and circles around a sun you can just go at a constant speed like on a NASCAR race track.

Also if we had square planets and rotate in one direction there would be no life right. The movement maybe to harsh, yet if the planet rotated slowly would that make a difference.

Well just weird thoughts. Don't mind me.

Don’t you find it ironic that the circular motion is such an important part of life we know it. I mean if you look at an atom and see that the nucleus could act like the sun and the electrons could act like a planets going around you wonder why we have the same exact thing going on in our solar system.

Well not exact and the same reasons perhaps, but have you ever thought about this circular motion that we have in both aspects of a atom and our universe?



Yes I know that in our solar system the planets go around the sun in one direction pretty much, but do all solar systems with planets on them do that? Do all planets rotate the same direction and not the opposite or going up and down around the sun like atoms would?



I mean this might not make sense, but maybe you can make sense out of it and explain it better then I can. I just find it ironic. Do you?

Now that I think about it. If math would be quantized would that help physics in finding more answers about existence of a designer, or at least come closer to new possibilities?

Actually I wonder if math alone could find the answer to a designer. That is what I meant by that, but to carry on with what you answered:


So if we changed our thought process to "quantized" instead of "continuum" that would be a significant step in finding out more if it is possible for a designer to have existed or continued, or however possible way of seeing how it all started in the first place would happen.

Am I understanding this correctly? If not then I would need layman terms please

Simply fascinating Metalwing. I will actually look for some videos and try to get a better understanding of how a black hole works. I think it helps to visualize it also while listening. Maybe I will get a better concept of the whole idea of a black hole.

To tell you the truth I think of a toilette flushing when I look at a black hole.

Thank goodness I am not in that toilette at the time

Thanks for the rich information

Ah yes I wasn't paying attention. I just read Mike from the other poster indicating a chicken with no head.

Here I am flowing along.

A rooster named Mike with no head is what I should have read.

It makes one wonder if a designer can ever be found or at least an answer of how everything started can be proven.

Look at this mathematical genius that had a movie called "A Beautiful Mind" with Russel Crowe.

He just sees everything with numbers. He looks at his tie, then at other objects and you see only numbers.

I wonder if all these mathematical scientists preceive this world in this fashion all the time or turn it on when they want to to get deeper answers?

How did Einstein really look at this world and the universe. I mean yes we have written documents that indicate what he said and wrote about, but how did he really see it with his own eyes! That would be interesting?

Could Math alone figure out if there was a designer in the first place?

It would be interesting to know wouldn't it.

Yes I know many will say no and others yes, but perhaps we haven't achieved mathematical genius yet! Perhaps there is more we need to learn in that department.

Of course we have spiritual options. My goodness are there thousands of them, but it seems when it comes to these hard questions about what started everything you have

science and only science

science with spirituality

spirituality and only spirituality

then a little technology to help the science

then a little of everything

am I making any sense here? lol

What I am trying to say is you have different perspectives of what the designer could be. That is if one believes a designer even exists. Some don't believe there is a reason or needs to be either. I kind like that also myself. It is much easier to accept, although it keeps you curious and wondering at times.

In the end what if "math" would find the answer. That would be amazing wouldn't it? Maybe not glamourous like we want to see it. I mean how many people enjoy calculus, alegbra, trigonometry, and the host of other number solvations we have in this world.

How many actually do it on a daily bases today using formulas to really see how a designer could exist or get close to finding out if it is possible?

Okay let me stop or I am hogging up the whole thread talking alot of nonsense anyway.

Wow amazing! It is like a electricity suction that just sucks up anything that has heat or energy.

Believe it or Not! The Evidence for a designer lies in the chocolate covered strawberries.