So basically your saying that unless you get f***ed by god you never have a life. Well, he's been effing me over for years, so I must be good.

funches wrote:
perhaps you should read further and show where it states that there would be no consequences for what Abraham did

Cowboy...."Free Will" pertains to God...you keep trying to apply it to everything but God

so let's see some example of "Free Will" that pertains to disobeying God

funches wrote:
I never sign a contract before I read it...all you had to do was post like you been doing and I will post a response like I was doing




funches wrote:
Matthew 19:24 ....And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

perhaps you should pay more attention to what's in the bible ....just because Abraham became rich do not mean there is no consequences.... ...

Ah, but that was an impersonation. It is the "character" who still has issues. That's a whole other story though, it's about merry-go-rounds. I think you'll like it.

it amazing that you don't realize that "part" means to "part" ...which means the hair is going to the opposite of where you "part" it ...and if you shake your hair and it cause the part to resort back to the opposite side kind of prove my point doesn't it





oh oh....either a parable coming...or that phrase that God forgives ....but anyway I'm looking forward to your examples of why it's ok for believers to disobey God because there will not be any consequences for doing so

that's because you can't see the forest because of the trees...because when you part your hair....didn't your hair go to the opposite ends of where you place the part ...see it's not "Free Will" but Newton's laws of Motion ..if it was true Free Will like God has then you could "will" your hair to part and "re-comb" itself

since the line of debate pertains to "Free Will" ..it's amazing how you avoid giving any examples of "Free Will" pertaining to disobeying God without consequences

So Satan is a condom? Wait a second ... condom - condemn!! We may be on to something!!!!!

funches wrote:

"Newton" said you always have to pay consequence...To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction ..and speaking of not answering questions I've asked you to name one thing you can do that will not result in any type of consequences....can you? ....if you can't then that means you are not talking about "Free Will"...you are talking about making a decision

again another contradiction...it if cost, then it is not "Free"...name one thing you can do to excercise your will without any consequences taking place

you guys keep mixing up religious "Free Will" with Newton's Laws of Motion

"Free Will" is supposedly the ability to have choice without God using his power to interfer with or influencing that choice....

Adam and Eve didn't have "free Will" because God told them personally not to eat from the tree...he interferred, influence and place restraints on their choices..God took away their faith

So where does abortion fit in??

It doesn't mesh with my views in general at all. Nor does it make any sense in terms of any religion that I have ever heard of.

I see no reason why a physical body should be required to create something as pure as a non-physical spirit. If I'm prepared to believe that I am spirit and can survive physical death, then why not also believe that I was spirit prior to the birth of my physical body?

In other words, if I'm going to believe in spirit why not go all the way and believe in reincarnation.

The analogy that you've proposed here appears to be as random and risky as it is for actual eggs and sperm. And egg is extremely lucky to be fertilized and basically really has very little to do with the process. The vast majority of eggs that end up on the Tampon are just extremely unlucky.

The same would be true for human souls in this scenario. The very idea that humans come into being at birth and have only a single lifetime to copulate with the Holy Spirit and thus gain everylasting life, would be a very brutal and hopeless picture of life. The vast majority of humans would fail to copulate with the Holy Spirit.

It would be a creator who truly does "Toss Dice" with human souls.

Little babies and young children that die early on, would have little or no chance of copulating with the Holy Spirit to gain everlasting life.

Teenagers who died during their rebellious unwise years would have never had the opportunity to grow old, wise, and humble. Thus they too would have been "cheated" out of their opportunity to copulate with the Holy Spirit.

The familes and cultures that they are born into would be major factors in whether or not they are likely to copulate with the Holy Spirit before they physically die.

In short, it would be an extremely inefficient way to 'raise' souls.

Such a scenario could not be by wise design. Such a scenario could only occur because no better way could be found. This places extremely limitations on the power and glory of the creator.

So no, in short, it doesn't mesh with my views at all.

If we are spiritual beings I imagine that this is our true eternal nature and we've always existed and there will never be a time when we will cease to exist. Reincarntion is the most likely truth if we are indeed spiritual being, IMHO.

On the other hand, if there is no such thing as spirit then the whole question is moot and all life is nothing more than a brief transient accidet. I personally don't buy into that either.

So I guess I'm stuck with reincarnation until something better is suggested. Although, I can't imagine what could be better than that.

An eternal "Heaven" under the rule of a single dictating Godhead does not appeal to me in the least. Sounds quite boring actually. If we have eternal life, I'm thinking that reincarnation is probably the best possible scenario. Anything else would quickly become boring.

Ok, I found this gem repeated in some form or another.

"Just an average guy looking for a girl"

WOW!!! Doesn't that just make a person want to jump at the chance for that burst of confidence and affection!!?” She would be so special - just any 'ol girl!!

Except it's usually "SOLE MATE."

very clever visual analogy,, I get it , and I agree

You mean Gentiles? There might be

Coward, I wear pantyhose every Friday.