I will willingly be a sounding board....lol I can't promise the intelligence of the sounds back though...lol

James, I now know what is going on with Creative. He implied (he did not commit or admit anything for certain and as always he was vague and ambiguous..) but he implied or suggested that his threads are just a way that he contemplates and that they may have no point at all.

They are pointless.

Therefore they are simply ramblings with no purpose or agenda at all except to serve as his own personal comtemplations. To him, we are just subjects who serve as feedback. In short, he is simply talking to himself and mulling over his point of view.

Well, join the club called "Humanity".

Your reasoning may be entirely intuitive and not necessarily based on logic at all.

There's nothing wrong with that. Your intuition may very well be perfectly correct.

You could become logically analytical about it if you want to and try to pin it down. However, I personally feel that to attempt to do so would only lead you to some foundational unprovable premises that you'll finally need to just accept or reject based on pure intuition anyway.

This is why I gave up on trying to build any absolute philosophical construct. The premises that it must start with ultimate must be guesses.

For example, I can begin by choosing the premise that I am nothing more than the form of my physical body and all that entails.

That premise ultimately leads logically to atheism basically.

If I begin by choosing the premise that I am the thing taking the form. That premise logically leads to pantheisic views.

But utlimately I can't prove or disprove either premise.

So now, let's say that at some high-level of thought you intuitively understand that you and nature are one?

What good would it do for you to dig back logically to see if you can find a founding premise to support this?

You'll never be able to do it anyway. So you may as well just go with your high-level intuition.

Michael seems to think that we can work backwards to logically prove or disprove some high-level thought ("view" or "claim").

But it can't be done. If it could be done philosophy would have absolute answers for us. As it stands philosophers can't really say a damn thing about anything. They are just as lost today as the ancient Greeks were.

Philosophy is nothing more than sophisticating guessing.

If you do it right and start with seemingly sound premises you can appear to be wearing a tuxedo. But in truth, you're just renting the tux from the 'empty premise store'.

All those philsophers have done is start with unproven premises and then build up very impressive logical cathedrals based on their unproven premises.

In the end they have nothing but a fairytale.

It's not unlike writing a fiction story that begins with imaginary characters (the premises) and then unfolds 'logically' from that point forward. But all the while the original characters are fictional.

So your high-level intuitive knowledge of life may be right on.

Therefore any logical nit-picker who wants to pick it apart using logic is only kidding himself.

I understand the problem. I too, would find it difficult to nail down why a believe some things. It is a combination of all information I have been exposed to.

I have an inner skeptic who disagrees with most of what I have concluded. So I don't always agree with myself.

There is a lot of conflicting information floating around.

I can understand what I think you mean, but groundless applies to a statement not to the poster themselves.

So from this point of view, Deepak is suggesting that any 'memory' that actually exists, exists in the intent of spirit, and not in the brain anyway.

Probably.

In a computer, it is still there until it is overwritten.

In a person, I don't know.

No. Memory is information stored. Stored information can be accessed.

Information stored is like the information on your computer. It just sits there, waiting to be accessed by the user.

In this reality, Consciousness is the user. In your brain, you are the user. You are consciousness.

Not all memory is useful information, just like the stuff on your computer. There is some information on my computer I don't personally use or access, but it is still there. It can probably be accessed by a computer geek, but it might be useless information to him too.

Memory or data that cannot be accessed is corrupted. A defrag of the computer organizes useful and accessible data and ignores or gets rid of corrupted data.

Everything's subjective
it's the object of this thread
Knowingness is random
and determinism's dead

Invisible is highly seen
although her thoughts are nude
Contradictions so obscene
Certainty gets screwed

A quantum random universe
indeterminate in principle
Slaying all objective thought
for uncertainty's invincible

All we have are mere opinions
based upon our lives
Must we hold each other hostage
using logic as our knives?

Intuition rules the world
feelings hold the truth
To claim to know objectively
would be nothing but uncouth

Life is but a dream
of surreal imagination
Anything we think we know
is but a mere approximation

We share our thoughts subjectively
without demanding resolution
For in a quantum random world
it's the only true solution

During our lives we have learned so much, and experienced a lot and processed a lot of information. It is sometimes difficult to self analyze every scrap of it and know where our own grounds for our beliefs and impressions are.

I believe once you can understand yourself first, it will help in understanding others. Too many times we expect that others are exactly the same as we are. There are differences. If we are human we have a lot in common that we can relate to each other with, but we should not expect that everyone is going to see things the same way we see them. Each point of view is unique. Each person has their own treasure of information and experience to share.

I have said before that the universe is energy and information and that matter is stored information, or memory. Each object, each living thing, every person is a treasure of information. This is especially true of humans. All things have a degree of consciousness that flows through it. All memory and information can be accessed by conscious intelligence or it is not memory.

hello how do i delete the people i have viewed

All of that from ambiguity alone?

1/2 the post not showing up??? Half of my screen is black and so I cant read the entire message.