So you are either unsure if god is benevolent, or he is or is not.

Please answer the question. Evasion only hurts your own understanding of these ideas.

Sigh, I can tell this is going to be difficult for you to understand, but it is possible for YOU to independently analyze these things without regard to anyone's written appeals.


Answer my questions based on your own beliefs.


Is god all powerful? (Yes)

Is god all knowing? (Yes)

Is god benevolent? (God is God)

I do not, but believers do.

We can use there own premises and then extrapolate from there.

There is no religion in the entire world that does not claim to know the mind of god.

An Excellent question! Any answers?

I find it hilarious that you start this thread speaking of proof, and then ignore the mountains (literally) of evidence in favor of evolution and ignore the fact there is no evidence of special creation.

If god wanted to convince intelligent people he better find a better way then a 2000 year old book that contradicts itself often.

Epicurus said it best with his logical problem of evil, often Christians try to pull the moral card, but make no actual logic argument that is not based on a false premise.

One example among many of a formulation of the problem of evil is presented by Epicurus and may be schematized as follows:

1. If a perfectly good god exists, then there is no evil in the world.
2. There is evil in the world.
3. Therefore, a perfectly good god does not exist.

This argument is of the logically valid form modus tollens (denying the consequent). In this case, P is "God exists" and Q is "there is no evil in the world".

Another version:

1. God exists
2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good
3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.
4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
5. An omnipotent being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.
8. Evil exists (logical contradiction).[2]

If god wanted to convince intelligent people he better find a better way then a 2000 year old book that contradicts itself often.

Epicurus said it best with his logical problem of evil, often Christians try to pull the moral card, but make no actual logic argument that is not based on a false premise.

One example among many of a formulation of the problem of evil is presented by Epicurus and may be schematized as follows:

1. If a perfectly good god exists, then there is no evil in the world.
2. There is evil in the world.
3. Therefore, a perfectly good god does not exist.

This argument is of the logically valid form modus tollens (denying the consequent). In this case, P is "God exists" and Q is "there is no evil in the world".

Another version:

1. God exists
2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good
3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.
4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
5. An omnipotent being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.
8. Evil exists (logical contradiction).[2]

If you believe so strongly in 'GOD' then why the question?

Should someone actually be able to provide proof... It would destroy your world view...

Unless your purpose is to bring others to you same strong belief that you hold... In which case you cannot bring them with this question...

The horse will not drink cause it is sated with its own view.

So? Why should you believe what the Bible says?

The men who wrote that book put all those brainwashing techniques in there precisely to get you to worship their book.

They told you that you must beleive in God, and that if you don't believe in God you'll pay a horrible price.

What better way to get people to worship your book as the word of God than to threaten nasty things to them if they don't believe and offer them eternal life if they do.

Mortal authors would have every motivation to use such lowly tactics to get you to worship their words.

An all-wise genuinely loving God would never be such a jerk.

The book is clearly the underhanded tatics of controlling mortal men. Men who were quite male chauvinistic and bigoted too boot.