you can believe as you want, but I provided FOUR CURRENT STATE VERSIONS THAT PROVES THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION HAS BEEN ADDED TO, MIS-TRANSLATED, AND MANIPULATED!!

THREE OF THE FOUR LANGUAGE TRANSLATIONS, AND THESE THREE BEING (2 x 1,600 YEARS OLDER AND 1,100 YEARS OLDER THAN THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION), VERIFY ONE ANOTHER...AND THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION IS LITERALLY NOWHERE CLOSE IN THE THIS EXAMPLE I PROVIDED AND HAVE PROVIDED ONCE AGAIN!!

AND THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES OF THIS THROUGHOUT THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION...IT'S CORRUPT!!




from the original Aramaic:

***WHAT I AM POINTING OUT IS THE MEANING OF THESE 3 VERSES IN 1 JOHN 5:6-8***
IN THIS ARAMAIC MEANING, IT IS SPEAKING ABOUT YESHUA/JESUS ONLY

6 This is The One who came by means of The Water and The Blood; Eshu Meshikha {Yeshua, The Anointed One}. It wasn't of The Water alone, but rather, by The Water and The Blood.

ܘܪܘܚܐ ܡܣܗܕܐ ܕܗܝ ܪܘܚܐ ܐܝܬܝܗ ܫܪܪܐ
7 And The Rukha {The Spirit} testifies; because that One, The Rukha {The Spirit}, is The Truth.

ܘܐܝܬܝܗܘܢ ܬܠܬܐ ܣܗܕܝܢ ܪܘܚܐ ܘܡܝܐ ܘܕܡܐ ܘܬܠܬܝܗܘܢ ܒܚܕ ܐܢܘܢ
8 And there are three testifying: The Rukha {The Spirit}, and The Water, and The Blood. And these three are in One.


NOW THE GREEK ALSO IS ABOUT YESHUA:

6 This is He Who is coming through water and blood and spirit - Jesus Christ - not in the water only, but in the water and in the blood. And the spirit it is which is testifying, for the spirit is the truth,

7 seeing that three there are that are testifying,

8 the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are for the one thing."


AND THE LATIN VULGATE VERIFY THE ARAMAIC AND GREEK THESE ARE DISCUSSING YESHUA/JESUS ONLY!!

FROM THE LATIN VULGATE:

6 hic est qui venit per aquam et sanguinem Iesus Christus non in aqua solum sed in aqua et sanguine et Spiritus est qui testificatur quoniam Christus est veritas

This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not by water only but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit which testifieth that Christ is the truth.

7 quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant

And there are Three who give testimony

8 Spiritus et aqua et sanguis et tres unum sunt

the spirit and the water and the blood. And these three are one.




BUT-BUT-BUT LOOK AT THE MISTRANSLATED ENGLISH BIBLE FROM SAME VERSES:
THIS ENGLISH VIEW IS FROM A TRIUNE GOD, NOT FROM LIKE YESHUA FOUND IN THE ORIGINALS:

FROM THE KJV ENGLISH MISTRANSLATED BIBLE:

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


NOW SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT VERSE 7 IN ALL TRANSLATIONS...THE ENGLISH NOT ONLY DOES NOT MATCH...BUT IS [[ADDED]] TO IT!!

you can bet your atheist butt that Scholars are well aware of that.

That does not even include the Old Testament interferences like the word LUCIFER.

LUCIFER, is a Latin vulgate word from a Language that did not exist when the Book of Isaiah was written in 100% HEBREW!! But yet, in the 100% Hebrew Worded book of Isaiah, the Latin Vulgate word LUCIFER can be found...

you just don't have a clue and are running your opinion like you even know what you are claiming, other than smoke coming from your .....

those here who know me personally can tell you I am not poor in friendships, family, value to others, my business success, my engineering, my finances, how I live, my farm nestled at the Mountains crest and I am overlooking several bigger communities, my success with zoologist and friend with Tibetan Mastiffs breeding-temperance-color-size-etc...., and the list goes on...

I believe in God!!

I also believe in this life I could easily buy and sell a few people...

I don't think you even have a clue as to what you think!!

Yahweh is a Name given to Him, by Him indeed. But it is what He told Moses before sending him to face Pharaoh is WHO He really is:

6 And He said, "I am the Elohim of your father, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob." And Moses hid his face because he was afraid to look toward Elohim.

ווַיֹּ֗אמֶר אָֽנֹכִי֙ אֱלֹהֵ֣י אָבִ֔יךָ אֱלֹהֵ֧י אַבְרָהָ֛ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֖ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֣י יַֽעֲקֹ֑ב וַיַּסְתֵּ֤ר משֶׁה֙ פָּנָ֔יו כִּ֣י יָרֵ֔א מֵֽהַבִּ֖יט אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִֽים:

His NAME:

14 Elohim said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"

ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:

= Ehyeh asher ehyeh = I will BE what I will BE = He is God and is EVERYTHING!!

Having only read the past 2 posts, I am not up to speed, and I'll be honest, I've no desire to read through 11 pages of this thread
I was hoping to interject, and perhaps the thread may go in a slightly different direction to the 1 I suspect it is on
Tibetan Mastifs
Tibet
Secluded for quite awhile, I believe
My Grandma had a lhasa apso
Anyway, my sort of point is
Why do these types of threads always have to deal with only Jewish and Christian religion?
Is it a, to quote Gill Scott Heron, probably completely out of context, a sort of
' Whitey on the moon' issue?

So I tried to find some meaningful quote from a religious text other than the usual ones, but, I couldn't, admittedly at times I have little patience
I did however stumble upon this
Indra's Net

https://switchonnow.com/magazine/indras-net-bells-theorem-and-enlightenment/

Hallelujah?!

I respect your thoughts.
I definitely know what I think to and don't have to revert to putting others down because they don't think or believe what others do.

Religion has been the cause of billions of people dying because they don't believe the other person's story!

It's like telling a kid the boogie man will take him away if he doesn't go to sleep or eat his dinner.
The art of scaring people to make them follow or get the results you want is old school.

It's a free world and everyone is entitled to their opinions even though some are put down doing so.

i am not refuting that others have not profited from religion, made a living from it, corrupted it for their own benefit.

and it does not take religion to create a following to begin a war.

my response was because you grouped something as a whole.

...and you put down religion, poor people, wealthy, the elite, all of it in your first post.

yes, there are a great portion of those who are poor who are religious, but not all who believe in God do so because they are poor, some do so because they have everything in life.

and there are wealthy people who actually try and help the poor rather than keep them down and live off of them.

like I said, understand what you are saying before saying it, because it reveals more than you are wanting to show...

saying I am the Elohim of your Father is the same as saying that I'm the president of your Father but doesn't express which president ...that is why the name Yahweh should only be used or you'll be risking placing other Gods equal to or above him



because on any English speaking site The Judeo-Christian delusions are more socially accepted then the delusions from other religions or philosophies



the story is basically saying that there is no Free Will and that all existence including Gods are interconnected and under the jurisdiction of the laws of physics ..."cause and effect" ...but in a "Quantum Woo Woo" way

You just don't get it! It makes no difference whatsoever whether any 'translation' is better than any other! The whole thing is utterly pointless! Can't you see? It just does not matter, it's irrelevant.

You go on believing that if you're good you will get a reward in heaven at the end of your life on this planet. I'm sure it will keep you being a good boy because of the sheer terror of what will happen to you if you're a bad boy.

Me, I just get on with life, content that at the end there is nothing more, just as for all other animals. I'm not scared of any mythical deity that will punish me if I'm 'bad' or reward me if I'm 'good'.

These things that matter so much to you are just as water off my back.

But do keep posting about the mistranslations, just to keep me amused. Many thanks for that. Amen.

I'm unsure as to how it relates to free will
I do believe it points to the interconnectedness of all things
Such as vibrations and so on

If you think all religions and their basis are delusions
Why are you here?
Okay, that's your belief, and your entitled to it
But aren't you taken a cricket bat to a football match, and spending your time shouting at everybody for not playing cricket?
Isn't that a tad bizarre?
Perhaps you'd have more fun at a cricket match, and allow those that want to play football, to do so

according to the article which states "What happens to one impacts us all" ...that in itself cancels out 'Free Will" ...perhaps for most even cancels out "Free Thought"


of course to research why you are having delusions ...is it something in the air the water the cheese


actually it was you that came into the forum complaining as to why these types of threads always have to deal with only Jewish and Christian religion and not your religion

also we don't play much cricket here in the USA...you have to join a college fraternity and change your name to Winslow

hahahahahaha is that why you think I believe in God?

I could just easily spend the rest of whatever is left in the Big Picture of all things in the tomb my body is laid in. being a daisy feeder.

I could be just 1 of the endless forms that energy manifested itself into from human to a star gone Nova.

I could just be pixels in an online game trying to exist in a world that only the server knows me.

it does not matter to me.
I will live my life according to how I choose so because I have proven it to be true on several accounts...

I will believe in God.
I will die believing in God.
I will discuss God until I die.
I will keep God on my mind every moment I am able to.

Life can very well be just a mere accident. The life I live is choosing to see it from a different viewpoint!!

if you read the verse (it's the quote above your quote) God explains who Moses' father is, Abraham, the father of Isaac, the father of Jacob, ALL followers of Elohim and the father of the Faith.

And Moses' reaction in same verse let's one know he understood what God is saying here because he never questions it like he does other issues being discussed.

God is fake. At least it has to be fake the way it’s portrayed in society. Black Science Guy say we invoke god when we don’t have the ability to rationally explain our environment.

Once upon a time god told people to kill witches. Did we kill all the witches, or do we not see witches today because they were never real? Besides killing witches what other negative effects has religion had on humanity? Too many to mention, but why dwell on that?

If one completely ignores the benefits of religion they are ignorant. All religions have good messages contained somewhere within them. What do all these messages have in common? They bring a form of peace into the heart of the person who puts their faith into religion. This can be powerful because it offers internal peace be giving acceptance of a group of like minded people. Even if they are crazy, there is power in numbers. So if I choose to show “faith” I could have the support of a whole church congregation to help me achieve my goals.

I think the different religions are different views on how to program the same computer... the human brain. The teachings of religion can help you gain internal/personal peace by teaching reinforcing positive behaviors, self love, community, etc....

Religion is liking using dial up internet as a connection to a potentially better self. If you want to connect with your potentially better self without the ******** of religion getting in the way then you need high speed internet. You need to learn to program your brain more effectively than using a book that hasn’t been updated since ..... god knows when?

Put into your brain what you want to create in life. Use the idea of god as a crutch to deal with the difficulties of life if you desire. That is your right. But before speaking on behalf of the power of god try to get a full understanding of the human brain.

Religion is mental health manipulation for the masses with a negative twist because god is viewed as external to the human body and we are ignorant to the functions of the human brain.

A “God” has the power to create reality. Our reality is created my our interpretation of our perceptions. If we change our interpretation of our perception we can change our own realities. We have the power to create our own reality. We have the power to create reality.

I don’t know **** and there maybe a real god somewhere. That could be cool. Regardless it’s irresponsible to ignore the benefits of understanding how to program the human brain. Keep your religion, because it’s more comfortable to be safe than sorry. Your brain can be programmed to create a better you with out religion or in addition to religion.

"Elohim" is one of the descriptive names of God even humans were called Elohim or God, even Caesar fell under the title of God... but no human and only one God was ever called Yahweh and that was the Elohim of Abraham ....and that's why Yahweh is the personal name of the Hebrew Elohim ....

either way if you choose to hide behind Hebrew/English mistranslations ..then every time you use the term God or refer to God as anything other than the Hebrew Elohim or Yahweh then it is you that are mistranslating the Hebrew Bible ....even when you use the term "external cause"

so what do you say that we just stick to the English version of the Bible ..because the Hebrew Bible clearly place in the wrong measurements for Noah's Ark and forgot to include the T-rex and his prehistoric buddies ..which means the Torah is not infallible and has its own share of Hebrew language mistakes, mistranslations and miscalculations

The argument that what happens to 1 impacts us all, by no means cancels out free will
If you think you are here to research delusions, then I think perhaps you are deluding yourself, and trying to delude others.
And I myself, do not have a religion
I was simply trying to steer the thread down another avenue, as I had reached the conclusion that is had descended into fruitless trolling

"Free Will" would suggest that what happens to one would impact no one but that individual and would result in no consequences to that individual..the Buddhist philosopher you linked us to was clearly preaching the opposite


you're next on my research list


a non-religious person would not supply links to a religious site for discussion unless it's their religion ..it's pretty clear you're a buddhist in denial


why are you trying to steer the thread unless you have control issues ...if you want to discuss something religious just jump in and post it..including Buddhism ...ok...I'll start

if you see Buddha on the road..would you kill him?

If you are all gods children he'd of grounded you, sent you to bed with no food and a sore a r s e!
Hypocritical comes to mind!
If ever there was an advert against it this is it.
No where in the bible does it say that in 2000 years a stupid person can pick and choose who is worthy!
Look around you, unless you're blind you can see hypocrisy at work weather it's building a wall to keep people out or suppling military equipment so others can cull people!

So if it was my free will to punch you in the face, would it have an impact on you or your nose?
I believe so
And while that link does concern Buddhism
Indra is also an important god to Hindus
Your welcome to research me if you choose
Shiπ you wouldn't be the first to claim I'm deluded by a long chalk
Personally, I have just met you, and while I find you both intelligent and amusing to some degree, I also find you nasty and troll like. So until I reach a different conclusion, I will adhere to the sage like wisdom, that is, don't feed the troll.
Have fun with your cricket bat
I'm off to play football

it probably tickle, but your inability to control your violent impulses is clearly not "Free Will" ...


but you also mention Tibet in which Buddhism is their main religion and you mention the lhasa apso which is a dog that Buddhist monks kept in their monasteries and you pasted a link to a buddhist philosopher, so does it require one to be a rocket scientist to deduce that Buddhism is your preferred religion


Dude you're a fledgling Buddhist


would the first happen to be a psychiatrist


since you keep stating "cricket bat' is the football you referring to actually "soccer"?

https://www.learnreligions.com/nataraj-the-dancing-shiva-1770458