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Topic: Is "Success" of US Surge in Iraq About to Unravel?
Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Tue 03/25/08 07:59 PM Edited by Drivinmenutz on Tue 03/25/08 08:00 PM
Propoganda works both ways my friend. The left wing spins facts in their favor too ya know. Any success in iraq would be detrimental to any democrat's campaign. Al Sadre may be one of the more powerful potential dictators there but he is no gem. He is ruthless, and to his followers, i'm sure he is the patriot you speak of. As is Bin Laden. I'm not going to lie, he wants us out. I'm sure he wants to be the next dictator. But unless he has ties to Iran i doubt he would achieve this power. Actually, another powerful enemy of us in Iraq is Iran. They continually send soldiers, money, and weapons across the borders to push us out of there. Hmmmm.....i wonder what interest a country, that is tied to terrorism, could possibly have with another unstable country? Their involvement is greater than any media lets on. Why? Probably because we cant afford to go to war with Iran as well... Who knows? Anyway, i was over there when that huge encounter with Al Sadre's troops errupted. As i recall there were about 300 (i think) of his soldiers killed and only about 4 U.S. soldiers wounded. He is but another clan with their own agenda, and i'm pretty sure he cares more about power and wealth than helping the Iraqi people.

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Tue 03/25/08 08:18 PM
Propoganda works both ways my friend. The left wing spins facts in their favor too ya know. Any success in iraq would be detrimental to any democrat's campaign. Al Sadre may be one of the more powerful potential dictators there but he is no gem. He is ruthless, and to his followers, i'm sure he is the patriot you speak of. As is Bin Laden. I'm not going to lie, he wants us out. I'm sure he wants to be the next dictator. But unless he has ties to Iran i doubt he would achieve this power. Actually, another powerful enemy of us in Iraq is Iran. They continually send soldiers, money, and weapons across the borders to push us out of there. Hmmmm.....i wonder what interest a country, that is tied to terrorism, could possibly have with another unstable country? Their involvement is greater than any media lets on. Why? Probably because we cant afford to go to war with Iran as well... Who knows? Anyway, i was over there when that huge encounter with Al Sadre's troops errupted. As i recall there were about 300 (i think) of his soldiers killed and only about 4 U.S. soldiers wounded. He is but another clan with their own agenda, and i'm pretty sure he cares more about power and wealth than helping the Iraqi people. LMAO, I agree, damn democrats

Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Tue 03/25/08 08:24 PM
you saying they don't spin info? Or were you being serious when you said you agreed? Sorry im tired...

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Tue 03/25/08 08:30 PM
Im serious Im an independent I get to say things like that, and, damn pubes!! (Republicans)

Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Tue 03/25/08 08:38 PM
cheers to the independents Yeah, it's fun to blame both sides

mnhiker Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3771	Tue 03/25/08 09:32 PM
Propoganda works both ways my friend. The left wing spins facts in their favor too ya know. Any success in iraq would be detrimental to any democrat's campaign. Al Sadre may be one of the more powerful potential dictators there but he is no gem. He is ruthless, and to his followers, i'm sure he is the patriot you speak of. As is Bin Laden. I'm not going to lie, he wants us out. I'm sure he wants to be the next dictator. But unless he has ties to Iran i doubt he would achieve this power. Actually, another powerful enemy of us in Iraq is Iran. They continually send soldiers, money, and weapons across the borders to push us out of there. Hmmmm.....i wonder what interest a country, that is tied to terrorism, could possibly have with another unstable country? Their involvement is greater than any media lets on. Why? Probably because we cant afford to go to war with Iran as well... Who knows? Anyway, i was over there when that huge encounter with Al Sadre's troops errupted. As i recall there were about 300 (i think) of his soldiers killed and only about 4 U.S. soldiers wounded. He is but another clan with their own agenda, and i'm pretty sure he cares more about power and wealth than helping the Iraqi people. We might not be able to go to war with Iran, but I don't think that will stop us. I could see either Hillary or McCain doing it. If you haven't seen it, watch 'Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb' some time. It's both funny and disturbing.

Disaronno Joined Sun 11/04/07 Posts: 679	Wed 03/26/08 06:13 AM
He is but another clan with their own agenda, and i'm pretty sure he cares more about power and wealth than helping the Iraqi people. This is the part I think funny. Some folks stay on a constant, never ending rant about how 'evil' Bush is, and blame him for the source of all the problems. How about folks like Al Sadr? I don't know, but I have a bigger problem with Sadr and Alphabet Soup running Iran, than I do Bush. Leastwise - Bush doesn't threaten to kill people who put a cartoon figure up of him.

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Wed 03/26/08 07:36 AM
Lindyy says: I agree with drivinmenutz. It is election time and people will do ANYTHING to try to make the Iraq situation look bad. Just look across the US at all the violence and upheavel we have here. How can anyone expect a situation such as Iraq's to 'resolve' in such a short period of time. When learning to ride a bike, and you fall off, what do you do? You get back up and try, try again. YOU CANNOT GIVE UP JUST BECAUSE OF A FEW SETBACKS! Lindyy

mnhiker Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3771	Wed 03/26/08 08:08 AM
Lindyy says: I agree with drivinmenutz. It is election time and people will do ANYTHING to try to make the Iraq situation look bad. Just look across the US at all the violence and upheavel we have here. How can anyone expect a situation such as Iraq's to 'resolve' in such a short period of time. When learning to ride a bike, and you fall off, what do you do? You get back up and try, try again. YOU CANNOT GIVE UP JUST BECAUSE OF A FEW SETBACKS! Lindyy Lindyy, I agree. It cannot be resolved in a short time and we cannot just 'pull out' immediately. That would be a disaster. However, none of the Presidential candidates except Barack Obama has proposed any exit strategy for Iraq. We should be able to draw down troops gradually, maintaining adequate levels of security while working to resolve differences between the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds. It's time for the Iraqis to take more control over their country.

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Wed 03/26/08 08:36 AM
Lindyy says: I agree with drivinmenutz. It is election time and people will do ANYTHING to try to make the Iraq situation look bad. Just look across the US at all the violence and upheavel we have here. How can anyone expect a situation such as Iraq's to 'resolve' in such a short period of time. When learning to ride a bike, and you fall off, what do you do? You get back up and try, try again. YOU CANNOT GIVE UP JUST BECAUSE OF A FEW SETBACKS! Lindyy Lindyy, I agree. It cannot be resolved in a short time and we cannot just 'pull out' immediately. That would be a disaster. However, none of the Presidential candidates except Barack Obama has proposed any exit strategy for Iraq. We should be able to draw down troops gradually, maintaining adequate levels of security while working to resolve differences between the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds. It's time for the Iraqis to take more control over their country. MNHiker: I agree, but these people are just learning how to "get on their own." I do believe that even President Bush has let it be known to the leaders of Iraq that they have to start doing more on their own, and I think they are, it is just that not too much gets on the news media about the good things taking place. McCain was just over there and his reports were very encouraging. Lindyy

mnhiker Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3771	Wed 03/26/08 07:11 PM
Lindyy says: I agree with drivinmenutz. It is election time and people will do ANYTHING to try to make the Iraq situation look bad. Just look across the US at all the violence and upheavel we have here. How can anyone expect a situation such as Iraq's to 'resolve' in such a short period of time. When learning to ride a bike, and you fall off, what do you do? You get back up and try, try again. YOU CANNOT GIVE UP JUST BECAUSE OF A FEW SETBACKS! Lindyy Lindyy, I agree. It cannot be resolved in a short time and we cannot just 'pull out' immediately. That would be a disaster. However, none of the Presidential candidates except Barack Obama has proposed any exit strategy for Iraq. We should be able to draw down troops gradually, maintaining adequate levels of security while working to resolve differences between the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds. It's time for the Iraqis to take more control over their country. MNHiker: I agree, but these people are just learning how to "get on their own." I do believe that even President Bush has let it be known to the leaders of Iraq that they have to start doing more on their own, and I think they are, it is just that not too much gets on the news media about the good things taking place. McCain was just over there and his reports were very encouraging. Lindyy Well if good things are taking place, then we can start withdrawing our troops.

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Wed 03/26/08 07:14 PM Edited by Fanta46 on Wed 03/26/08 08:01 PM
Despite the government presence, the militiamen appeared to be holding their positions. Khaldoon Faisal, a 35-year-old taxi driver in Basra's Jamhoriyah area, said the Mahdi Army was putting up fierce resistance with grenades, bombs, mortar shelling and sniper fire. "My neighborhood now is under the control of the Mahdi Army," Faisal said. He said Iraqi armored vehicles were in the main street but that "they cannot go deep into the neighborhood." Police Lt. Col. Ali Sabri said the Mahdi army was surrounding a police training center in northern Basra but that "fierce fighting is taking place and police are defending the site." Essam Abbas, a 31-year-old barber in western Basra, said "the Mahdi Army controls an Iraqi army base in the area because Iraqi troops fled the scene, leaving their vehicles and weapons." Any day now American or British soldiers will be called in to support the puppet Gov and their incompetent military!

mnhiker Joined Wed 02/14/07 Posts: 3771	Wed 03/26/08 07:17 PM
Despite the government presence, the militiamen appeared to be holding their positions. Khaldoon Faisal, a 35-year-old taxi driver in Basra's Jamhoriyah area, said the Mahdi Army was putting up fierce resistance with grenades, bombs, mortar shelling and sniper fire. "My neighborhood now is under the control of the Mahdi Army," Faisal said. He said Iraqi armored vehicles were in the main street but that "they cannot go deep into the neighborhood." Police Lt. Col. Ali Sabri said the Mahdi army was surrounding a police training center in northern Basra but that "fierce fighting is taking place and police are defending the site." Essam Abbas, a 31-year-old barber in western Basra, said "the Mahdi Army controls an Iraqi army base in the area because Iraqi troops fled the scene, leaving their vehicles and weapons." Anyday now American or British soldiers will be called in to support the puppet Gov and their incompedent military!