Topic: Divine Intervention
Zapchaser's photo
Thu 03/27/08 10:38 AM





Even if God is pulling all the strings, I'd rather be part of his plan and under his control than not. Personal choice thing, I guess.

Geo.

You are never under his control. You can follow if you wish, but you are always free to leave as well. Its not the act of following so much that he wants, its the choice to.


"Chazster"...God created you in such a way that "IF YOU WANT TO LIVE" have "NO CHOICE" but to eat food and drink water ...but if you don't want to live and decide to starve yourself then you would be commtting the sin of suicide and will burn in hell forever ....sounds like control to me

Where did you read that? I can't find it anywhere.


"Zapchaser" why would you need to read something that is so obvious ...

are you saying that you don't have to eat food and drink water to help sustain your existence?

are you saying that if you don't eat food or drink water that you won't starve

are you saying that by starving yourself when food is plentiful that it is not considered as being suicide and therefore not a sin?

and last but not least...are you saying that God didn't create you this way to need food and water to help sustain your life

You stated: "but if you don't want to live and decide to starve yourself then you would be commtting the sin of suicide and will burn in hell forever"
Just curious where you got that from. Judas is in hell and Solomon is in Heaven according to the bible and both committed suicide. Just trying to learn as you are. Aren't you?

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 10:43 AM

You stated: "but if you don't want to live and decide to starve yourself then you would be commtting the sin of suicide and will burn in hell forever"
Just curious where you got that from. Judas is in hell and Solomon is in Heaven according to the bible and both committed suicide. Just trying to learn as you are. Aren't you?


"Zapchaser" hey I don't know the connections that Solomon or Judas have or if they gave bribes in tithes ..all I know is that suicide is supposely a sin ..either it is or isn't

and if one choose not to eat in the quest to end their life then they are committing suicide and will go to hell ...am I right or wrong

Zapchaser's photo
Thu 03/27/08 10:51 AM


You stated: "but if you don't want to live and decide to starve yourself then you would be commtting the sin of suicide and will burn in hell forever"
Just curious where you got that from. Judas is in hell and Solomon is in Heaven according to the bible and both committed suicide. Just trying to learn as you are. Aren't you?


"Zapchaser" hey I don't know the connections that Solomon or Judas have or if they gave bribes in tithes ..all I know is that suicide is supposely a sin ..either it is or isn't

and if one choose not to eat in the quest to end their life then they are committing suicide and will go to hell ...am I right or wrong

But that is what I am trying to understand. If suicide is looked upon from the perspective of a broken commandment there is an argument to be made but the bible speaks of Solomon committing suicide before being captured after being mortally wounded in battle and he is in Heaven and though Judas took his own life as well, he is in hell.Is it because Judas turned his back on God while Solomon remained faithful to God? Dunno. Just wondering about your comment and where you read or heard that suicide is a sin and will put you in hell. We are all sinners even as Christians and if that is the outcome of being a sinner then I will go shopping for some Nomex underwear today.laugh drinker

Zapchaser's photo
Thu 03/27/08 10:54 AM
BTW you can tithe all you want . It won't get you into heaven on its own either.

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 11:06 AM

But that is what I am trying to understand. If suicide is looked upon from the perspective of a broken commandment there is an argument to be made but the bible speaks of Solomon committing suicide before being captured after being mortally wounded in battle and he is in Heaven and though Judas took his own life as well, he is in hell.Is it because Judas turned his back on God while Solomon remained faithful to God? Dunno. Just wondering about your comment and where you read or heard that suicide is a sin and will put you in hell. We are all sinners even as Christians and if that is the outcome of being a sinner then I will go shopping for some Nomex underwear today.laugh drinker


hey God also said not to covent thy neighbor's wife but yet he convent Mary with Jesus ...so the question is not to compare suicide missions of Solomon and Judas...the question is....is suicide a sin and an automatic sentence to hell

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 11:07 AM

BTW you can tithe all you want . It won't get you into heaven on its own either.


bribes in tithes may be how the roads of Heaven got paved with Gold

Zapchaser's photo
Thu 03/27/08 12:11 PM


But that is what I am trying to understand. If suicide is looked upon from the perspective of a broken commandment there is an argument to be made but the bible speaks of Solomon committing suicide before being captured after being mortally wounded in battle and he is in Heaven and though Judas took his own life as well, he is in hell.Is it because Judas turned his back on God while Solomon remained faithful to God? Dunno. Just wondering about your comment and where you read or heard that suicide is a sin and will put you in hell. We are all sinners even as Christians and if that is the outcome of being a sinner then I will go shopping for some Nomex underwear today.laugh drinker


hey God also said not to covent thy neighbor's wife but yet he convent Mary with Jesus ...so the question is not to compare suicide missions of Solomon and Judas...the question is....is suicide a sin and an automatic sentence to hell

That is what I asked you. You stated that it was. I asked where you got that from. You have now come full circle by asking the question that I asked in the first place.

Zapchaser's photo
Thu 03/27/08 12:18 PM


BTW you can tithe all you want . It won't get you into heaven on its own either.


bribes in tithes may be how the roads of Heaven got paved with Gold

I can only surmise that your reason for being in these threads is to convince yourself of your superiority to others. I see NOTHING positive in what you write. Nothing but vile hatred for what you don't understand. That is a control issue that you have to deal with on your own rather than stepping on others to appear mightier than yourself. Are you able to engage in constructive dialog? Some of us are here to learn and listen and make up our own minds without having someone constantly berating what others say. Maybe Mike and Van can start a Hate Religion section for you?

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 12:28 PM



BTW you can tithe all you want . It won't get you into heaven on its own either.


bribes in tithes may be how the roads of Heaven got paved with Gold

I can only surmise that your reason for being in these threads is to convince yourself of your superiority to others. I see NOTHING positive in what you write. Nothing but vile hatred for what you don't understand. That is a control issue that you have to deal with on your own rather than stepping on others to appear mightier than yourself. Are you able to engage in constructive dialog? Some of us are here to learn and listen and make up our own minds without having someone constantly berating what others say. Maybe Mike and Van can start a Hate Religion section for you?


"Zapchaser" am I making you question your faith ...are these the tactics Jesus used when people didn't believe what he was saying ...try and remember you are a Christian and to not judge others simply because they don't buy into your religious belief

Zapchaser's photo
Thu 03/27/08 03:40 PM
Edited by Zapchaser on Thu 03/27/08 03:40 PM




BTW you can tithe all you want . It won't get you into heaven on its own either.


bribes in tithes may be how the roads of Heaven got paved with Gold

I can only surmise that your reason for being in these threads is to convince yourself of your superiority to others. I see NOTHING positive in what you write. Nothing but vile hatred for what you don't understand. That is a control issue that you have to deal with on your own rather than stepping on others to appear mightier than yourself. Are you able to engage in constructive dialog? Some of us are here to learn and listen and make up our own minds without having someone constantly berating what others say. Maybe Mike and Van can start a Hate Religion section for you?


"Zapchaser" am I making you question your faith ...are these the tactics Jesus used when people didn't believe what he was saying ...try and remember you are a Christian and to not judge others simply because they don't buy into your religious belief

laugh Not at all! In the first place you haven't asked questions, you have contributed little more than regurgitated diatribe. As far as you causing me to question my faith? Do not imagine yourself to have that power. You, sir, bolster my faith.bigsmile drinker

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 03:59 PM
No Funches, commitng suicide does not cut one off from God...only rejecting God cuts one off from God.

Commiting suicide is like any other illness......it would be like saying, a person who died of cancer is cut off from God, cause he sufferd from cancer.

Well.. commiting suicide is a result of one suffering illness too.. but its an illness in the soulish area, rather than in the physicasl , as cancer is......and God won't reject a person , simply cause they were ill in their soul.

But truth is.... God rejects no one any way...ever....anyway........ MAN is the one who rejects God.
Again..God gave US a choice..accept Him or reject Him.
God never does the rejecting..ever.....man does.

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 04:05 PM
But like Wouldee said in one of the posts here somewhere....

IF you want answers, go straight to the source.
That being God.

And also, open up the Word that God left us....and read..and while reading...talk with God alone in your quite time... .....and ask God to open your spiritual eyes .... to see and understand His Word.
And He will.flowerforyou

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 04:07 PM

laugh Not at all! In the first place you haven't asked questions,


I have "Zapchaser" ...but you was so busy turning into Dr. Phil you didn't notice


you have contributed little more than regurgitated diatribe.


that's what people said about Jesus


As far as you causing me to question my faith?


faith is little more than self-hypnonis and self-deception ..it only exist in the mind


Do not imagine yourself to have that power. You, sir, bolster my faith.bigsmile drinker


faith is only require where there is "doubt"

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 04:17 PM

No Funches, commitng suicide does not cut one off from God...only rejecting God cuts one off from God.


I'm not talking about cutting one off from God ..you will hear Catholics saying that suicide is a sin ...so is it a sin or not


Commiting suicide is like any other illness......


Jesus mission was to die to get himself killed and that implies suicide...so was Jesus sick?


no photo
Thu 03/27/08 04:37 PM

But like Wouldee said in one of the posts here somewhere....

IF you want answers, go straight to the source.
That being God.


ok "MorningSong" I'll make an appointment to go to George Bush


And also, open up the Word that God left us....and read..and while reading...talk with God alone in your quite time... .....and ask God to open your spiritual eyes .... to see and understand His Word.
And He will.flowerforyou


so do you take your own advice and read the bible and do everything the bible saids? ...yes or no? ....and before you answer yes...I have you know that I know of some adulterers that need to be stone to death

yashafox_F4X1's photo
Thu 03/27/08 04:41 PM
Funches, you been divinely intervening all day!

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 04:47 PM

Funches, you been divinely intervening all day!


yes "yashafox" I merely a shepherd sent here to keep the faithful on the path to true rightousness ......and also making sure you guys don't start all that torturing and mudering herectics stuff again

yashafox_F4X1's photo
Thu 03/27/08 04:51 PM
Well, ya gotta have fun somehow!

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 04:54 PM

Well, ya gotta have fun somehow!


I think that what ted bundy said

Zapchaser's photo
Thu 03/27/08 06:44 PM


laugh Not at all! In the first place you haven't asked questions,


You are correct. I am only here to vomit diatribe but in reality I am a closet Christian and I love everyone.


you have contributed little more than regurgitated diatribe.


See above answer.


As far as you causing me to question my faith?


Sorry for being such a pompous ass.


Do not imagine yourself to have that power. You, sir, bolster my faith.bigsmile drinker

Then I have accomplished some good today!smooched :heart: :heart: flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou blushing

I hope you don't mind me using my free will to run a cryptic spell check on your post. Have a blessed day!