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i myself have not personally met a single religious folk who didn't judge me and lump me into something i wasn't.
i believe that's because most of my experience is in virginia or the surrounding states. most people around here tend to be very judgemental and more than willing to impose their views on you. only the ones who were nonreligious or losely religious have attempted to get to know me before making judgements. had long hair for 12 years, pretty much any conservative religious person would give me an attitude or at least a sneer |
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toasted...haven't we chatted alot before??? have I lumped you?
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toasted...haven't we chatted alot before??? have I lumped you?
well, i don't really count online as being "personally". what, you aren't sneering at me? 
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 toasted...i'm the same as online...plus I know you have a mohawk etc.
I wouldn't lump you into anything but who you are. I know who you are and YES it's a good thing lol |
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toasted...i'm the same as online...plus I know you have a mohawk etc.
I wouldn't lump you into anything but who you are. I know who you are and YES it's a good thing lol oh, i HAD a mohawk. shaved it a bit ago. the way people treat me is night and day. before i was havinig gas station cashiers not be polite to me or return my pleasantries, now everyone is smiles. it's sad really |
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yes it is sad and wrong...but you should know that I wouldn't do that to you
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wth?????? rabbit again...you have blown my mind with your way off topic posts Reread the topic...I was asking fo people to stop lumping people together. Don't judge one by somes actions but aren't you lumping people together by calling them christians ...a christian is a christian because they supposely believe that a guy name Christ was a son of a God so isn't calling yourself or others Christians considered as being a lump or label?..you even label God and people that believe in God are labeled as believers... so aren't you guilty of committing the same sin you are accusing everyone else of ...and besides everything is lumped or label.. to believe otherwise is delusional...even this thread is label and lumped it's what we are called...those that don't want to be called that...don't get called that. I wasn't even just talking about christians...I was saying don't judge others on the basis of some Christians is what you are called? ...but isn't that lumping together a group of people in order to label them as Christians? |
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only lumping the ones that claim they are.
now hush and get my ring
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Gotta take your lumps sometimes.
I don't mean to lump people together or to be offensive in any way. I apologize if I have or if other people here have. Besides, I usually stir up the batter till the lumps just about disappear. Makes better pancakes that way. |
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Gotta take your lumps sometimes. I don't mean to lump people together or to be offensive in any way. I apologize if I have or if other people here have. Besides, I usually stir up the batter till the lumps just about disappear. Makes better pancakes that way. 
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No lumps. Radio!
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I guess what I am apprently not saying clearly from my point of view is
You can't judge all by some extremists. There are those in EVERY religion and every culture. but that does NOT mean others are the same or share the same beliefs. There are Christians out there that are judgemental and "Holier then thou" but the way I was brought up was not to judge others and I was brought up in Christianity. so if you want to speak of something...please don't lump everyone (no matter what their beliefs) in with what you disagree with |
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You can't judge all by some extremists. There are those in EVERY religion and every culture. but that does NOT mean others are the same or share the same beliefs. so are you saying that not all Christians believe in Jesus There are Christians out there that are judgemental and "Holier then thou" but the way I was brought up was not to judge others and I was brought up in Christianity. but didn't you just now judge that some Chrisitans are "Holier than thou" so if you want to speak of something...please don't lump everyone (no matter what their beliefs) in with what you disagree with ..er..that doesn't make sense ...so how do we refer to someone of something when we debate.... by grunting? .."yellowrose" everyone labels and lumps because that is the only way to communicate ..so in other words "hey fudgetaboutit" |
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funches...again with the word twisting???? come on already
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funches...again with the word twisting???? come on already then what do you call those that are the followers of a belief that Jesus is the Messiah ..and try to answer it without labeling and lumping |
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ok funches...let me explain what I mean this way
You obviously work out...to lump would be saying ALL guys that work out are self absorbed. SOME might be. SOME might be doing it for health reasons. SOME might be doing it for a release or let's take what toasted was saying about when he had a mohawk. SOME people might think he was a trouble maker. SOME might want to get to know him mohawk or not. I have talked to toasted and know he is a great guy....mohawk or not. And I would have missed out on getting to know him if I just LUMPED him into a trouble maker just because of a mohawk Are those better examples???? |
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Edited by
creativesoul
on
Sun 03/23/08 07:48 AM
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yellowrose:
Understand that I believe that one of the purposes of all is to show another to themself...a mirror, as it were... I had mistakenly thought that the following quotes were from yellowrose, which they are not... They are a common argument from Christians, though I have not read yellow's opinions on these quotes, which support some Christian beliefs concerning prayers... ooooooopsey again yellow... My sincerest apologies regarding the mislabeling of authorship...
I have no idea why God answers different prayers in different ways except that He, being all all-wise and all-knowing, is aware of what is the best for us – and sometimes that is to answer a prayer in the negative.
What of unneccesarily horrendous crimes against innocent humans? I would add that our faith grows by being exercised, and faith is not exercised when we receive everything we want (or think we need). What faith is required when God becomes a Santa Claus – giving presents to all? It takes no faith to simply receive presents (“miracles”) but it takes great faith to believe when you don’t get everything you want, when you trust God completely knowing He is doing the very best for you in all areas of your life. That is what strengthen’s faith.
Faith itself is a wonderful thing to me also, yet our understandings completely differ on why... So why would God answer my friend's prayers? The biggest reason is that she had a relationship with God. She wanted to follow God. And she actually listened to what he said.
So then, one whose prayers are not answered is one who did not have a relationship with 'God'? Did not want to follow 'God'? Did not listen to 'God'?
And then the answer... It may be because they don't have a relationship with God. They may know that God exists, and they might even worship God from time to time. But those who never seem to have their prayers answered probably don't have a relationship with him.
It may not be also... then what? It's pretty natural to feel that separation from God. When people begin to ask God for something, what usually takes place? They begin with, "God, I really need your help with this problem..."
This is a sickeningly presumptive and self-absorbed statement... You must first begin a relationship with God. Imagine some guy named Mike decides to ask the president of Princeton University (whom Mike doesn't even know) to co-sign a car loan for him. Mike would have zero chance of that happening. (We're assuming that the president of Princeton is not an idiot.) However, if that same president's daughter asked her dad to co-sign a car loan for her, it would be no problem. Relationship matters.
So then, 'God' would be an idiot to answer someones prayer without having a relationship as prescribed by these beliefs? Not to mention this is strongly suggesting to know the will of this 'God'... ZERO CHANCE???? With God, when the person is actually a child of God, when the person belongs to God, he knows them and hears their prayers. When it comes to God then, do you really know him and does he know you? Do you have a relationship with him that warrants God answering your prayers? Will God Definitely Answer Your Prayer? For those who do know him and rely on him, Jesus seems to be wildly generous in his offer: "If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you."5 To "remain" in him and have his words remain in them means they conduct their lives aware of him, relying on him, listening to what he says. Then they're able to ask him whatever they want. Here is another qualifier: "This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.
Substantiation for the earlier presumptive and arrogant judgements... nothing less... nothing more... Where we trip up is assuming we know God's will, because a certain thing makes sense to us! We assume that there is only one right "answer" to a specific prayer, assuming certainly THAT would be God's will. And this is where it gets tough. We live within the limits of time and limits of knowledge. We have only limited information about a situation and the implications of future action on that situation. God's understanding is unlimited. How an event plays out in the course of life or history is only something he knows. And he may have purposes far beyond what we could even imagine. So, God is not going to do something simply because we determine that it must be his will.
Contradictory to the supportive conclusions of what was stated earlier... Throughout the suggestions laid a foundation according to the explanation of what 'Gods' will is or was, and it is used as reasoning to support the claims... Am I the only one here who this srikes as a tad bit contradictory to that which was stated previously? This is why people lump Christians together... Ok... all corrected accordingly... Whew!!! yellowrose, How do you feel about these claims by other Christians? |
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I don't recognize those quotes....what thread?
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Uh...
He lowers his head and sulks away... Ooooopsey... 
Sorry yellow... Those were not you... I will correct the beginning accordingly... |
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