Topic: Us Vs. Them
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Wed 03/12/08 01:26 PM
I've seen a lot of political discussion in these threads and I think the best discussions is when there aren't any accusations or name-calling, just intelligent discourse, pro and con.

The next President will have to work with both parties, not just his/her own.

Who do you think will be the best person to get things done in a bipartisan manner for the good of America? :smile:

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Wed 03/12/08 01:35 PM

I've seen a lot of political discussion in these threads and I think the best discussions is when there aren't any accusations or name-calling, just intelligent discourse, pro and con.

The next President will have to work with both parties, not just his/her own.

Who do you think will be the best person to get things done in a bipartisan manner for the good of America? :smile:



it would have to be McCain and he'll only have some of the Democrats to work with...the Democrats are divided between Obama and Clinton and the war that is going on between the two the party will take years to mend the rift...if a Democrat was elected then they would be consumed with mending their party leaving the business of the country to suffer neglect..

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Wed 03/12/08 01:47 PM


I've seen a lot of political discussion in these threads and I think the best discussions is when there aren't any accusations or name-calling, just intelligent discourse, pro and con.

The next President will have to work with both parties, not just his/her own.

Who do you think will be the best person to get things done in a bipartisan manner for the good of America? :smile:



it would have to be McCain and he'll only have some of the Democrats to work with...the Democrats are divided between Obama and Clinton and the war that is going on between the two the party will take years to mend the rift...if a Democrat was elected then they would be consumed with mending their party leaving the business of the country to suffer neglect..


I think you overestimate the extent of the problem. Though there is a rift between Hillary and Obama right now, once the Presidential nominee is selected, both will unite to help elect that person.

Dirty politics and mudslinging is nothing new and this too shall pass.

I don't think it will 'take years to mend the rift'.

About McCain, I don't know, it remains to be seen.

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Wed 03/12/08 01:49 PM
ouch, this is a tough one. It seems that both the democratic candidates are pretty set in their ways. but isn't McCain changing his mind about everything? I guess in that case McCain would probably be a little more willing to work with both parties. If anything, for being fickle as so many have accused him of being. But once again, i would rather hae a democratic congress and a republican president then have all democrats.

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Wed 03/12/08 01:52 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Wed 03/12/08 01:54 PM
i have yet to see any of the 3 candidate have any really good ideas. Although if you guys disagree i would be happy to hear about any idea that comes from any candidate that is remotely intelligent. Please?

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Wed 03/12/08 01:58 PM
I would not mind a balance but I think the time for Repub president is done. We have had too much repub to stomach for a while. They can come back in oh say 8 years and reek havock again for a while. I know it sure makes me appreciate the Dem presidents more after these last 8 years.noway

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Wed 03/12/08 02:08 PM
all well and good but none of the dems have any intelligent ideas. Or at least i haven't heard anything. I've only semi agreed with one candidate and that's about the iraq issue (which is McCain) The things that scare me about the Dems is they just want change change change. It seems reckless. Lots of money being spend more governmebnt regulation/control and less national security. Im not saying McCain is much better, but either dem candidate with a dem congress is like giving them free reigns. I really don't see us being any better off then we already are. In fact i just see us going down further, just in a different way. I do like balance though.

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Wed 03/12/08 02:09 PM
i didn't know the conventions were over???

who are the choices?

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Wed 03/12/08 10:13 PM

all well and good but none of the dems have any intelligent ideas. Or at least i haven't heard anything. I've only semi agreed with one candidate and that's about the iraq issue (which is McCain) The things that scare me about the Dems is they just want change change change. It seems reckless. Lots of money being spend more governmebnt regulation/control and less national security. Im not saying McCain is much better, but either dem candidate with a dem congress is like giving them free reigns. I really don't see us being any better off then we already are. In fact i just see us going down further, just in a different way. I do like balance though.


Change for change sake is useless. That's why you should go to the candidates web sites and view their position papers. That will give you an idea where each one would steer the country.

But keep in mind that Presidential candidates will say and do anything to keep their supporters happy, so nothing is set in stone.

I don't underestimate anyone. Obama might seem to have the lead but he is hamstrung by Hillary's stubborn insistence to stay in the race.

I believe this could hurt the Democrats' chances for the White House if it goes on too long.

After all, who does McCain have to run against now?

He can just sit back and watch the fireworks. ohwell

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Thu 03/13/08 11:49 AM
Edited by leahmarie on Thu 03/13/08 12:00 PM



I've seen a lot of political discussion in these threads and I think the best discussions is when there aren't any accusations or name-calling, just intelligent discourse, pro and con.

The next President will have to work with both parties, not just his/her own.

Who do you think will be the best person to get things done in a bipartisan manner for the good of America? :smile:



it would have to be McCain and he'll only have some of the Democrats to work with...the Democrats are divided between Obama and Clinton and the war that is going on between the two the party will take years to mend the rift...if a Democrat was elected then they would be consumed with mending their party leaving the business of the country to suffer neglect..


I think you overestimate the extent of the problem. Though there is a rift between Hillary and Obama right now, once the Presidential nominee is selected, both will unite to help elect that person.

Dirty politics and mudslinging is nothing new and this too shall pass.

I don't think it will 'take years to mend the rift'.

About McCain, I don't know, it remains to be seen.



I think yanke hit it right on. mnhiker, if you really believe that once the presidential nominee is selected for the Democrats that Hillary and Obama will unite to help elect that person, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I want to sell you. laugh

Additionally, remember that the Obama-Clinton competition has caused a lot of bitterness among Democratic voters. Obama is the favorite of black voters, who have declared they will not vote for Hillary, if she "steals" the nomination. On the other hand, although the white voters are not as passionate as the black, white Clinton voters are saying they could never support Obama. I do not believe this racial anger will fade once the nominee is selected since the racial divide on the Obama-Clinton dispute is widening. Case in point ..... Geraldine Ferraro.

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Thu 03/13/08 12:13 PM




I've seen a lot of political discussion in these threads and I think the best discussions is when there aren't any accusations or name-calling, just intelligent discourse, pro and con.

The next President will have to work with both parties, not just his/her own.

Who do you think will be the best person to get things done in a bipartisan manner for the good of America? :smile:



it would have to be McCain and he'll only have some of the Democrats to work with...the Democrats are divided between Obama and Clinton and the war that is going on between the two the party will take years to mend the rift...if a Democrat was elected then they would be consumed with mending their party leaving the business of the country to suffer neglect..


I think you overestimate the extent of the problem. Though there is a rift between Hillary and Obama right now, once the Presidential nominee is selected, both will unite to help elect that person.

Dirty politics and mudslinging is nothing new and this too shall pass.

I don't think it will 'take years to mend the rift'.

About McCain, I don't know, it remains to be seen.



I think yanke hit it right on. mnhiker, if you really believe that once the presidential nominee is selected for the Democrats that Hillary and Obama will unite to help elect that person, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I want to sell you. laugh

Additionally, remember that the Obama-Clinton competition has caused a lot of bitterness among Democratic voters. Obama is the favorite of black voters, who have declared they will not vote for Hillary, if she "steals" the nomination. On the other hand, although the white voters are not as passionate as the black, white Clinton voters are saying they could never support Obama. I do not believe this racial anger will fade once the nominee is selected since the racial divide on the Obama-Clinton dispute is widening. Case in point ..... Geraldine Ferraro.


The loser in the Democratic Presidential race will have to support the front runner, or it will hurt the Democrat's chances of electing a President, and why would they do that, sabotage their chance?

Geraldine Ferraro has always been a divisive figure, but then, so has Hillary. Guess they got that in common.

Her husband John A. Zaccaro met with a major mob figure.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE2D71E3DF931A2575AC0A964958260

Her son was sentenced to 4 months in jail for selling cocaine.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DEED8153DF934A25755C0A96E948260

I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

This woman's life is a train wreck. She reminds me of Carmella on the Sopranos, but she's not near as pretty.

Why Hillary picked her to run her Finance Committee is beyond me.

That woman shouldn't be handling anyone's money.

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Thu 03/13/08 01:47 PM
mnhiker.....

The loser in the Democratic Presidential race will have to support the front runner, or it will hurt the Democrat's chances of electing a President, and why would they do that, sabotage their chance?



The answer to the above is Hillary and Obama are not out for the good of the party. Each has an agenda .... winning and destroying the other at all costs, even if it means imploding the Democratic Party.

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Thu 03/13/08 02:03 PM
At this point in the election I would like to see Mickey Mouse get the election...at least then I can chuckle at politics because they would actually be funny...

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Thu 03/13/08 06:47 PM
Ralph Nadar....

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Thu 03/13/08 07:37 PM
Edited by Drew07_2 on Thu 03/13/08 07:47 PM
Great question--tough to answer. Presidents are given world situations--few actually create them. Obama has made it clear that he'll bring the troops home and do so--fast. My guess is that his saying so now will wind up being his first campaign promise broken. The good Senator from NY hasn't really made it clear (it seems to change about as often as her admiration/loathing for Obama) what she'll do regarding our current situation in Iraq. McCain wants to dance with what "brought him" and that alone might be enough to create his political demise.

All of that stated the question was who is likely to work better with others and at this moment, I'd say McCain. Clinton can't even seem to work well with her campaign staff (hence two "resignations") in fairly short order and I think the honeymoon is about over for Mr. Obama. If he gets the nod he'll have to do better than to offer up platitudes like "and we'll heal the world." I think the softball pitching press will fire a couple of Randy Johnson sinkers at him before the convention lights have had time to cool, and I think he'll have to do more than what he's done so far. Gravitas and charm play well after staring at GWB for eight years but eventually people are doing to want to know one thing: "How much more in taxes under your plan Mr. Obama?"

McCain shouldn't scare liberals as much as Obama should scare conservaties in that McCain isn't much of a conservative. That might cost him with some voters (single issue pro-lifers) but overall, he might be a tempered enough personality to elect.

We shall see.

-Drew

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Thu 03/13/08 07:40 PM
Personally I think Obama will be the best choice.

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Thu 03/13/08 07:44 PM
in my opinion

(which don't mean much)

the democrats are imploding

and mccain will be next president

although i will vote for neither

as i will right in a name to send a message

as should everyone that does not want neither candidate

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Thu 03/13/08 07:54 PM
I see the democrats imploding also. A Hillary nomination would be the best news McCain could get. She is too divisive to be elected. Obama? I agree with a previous post that said the news media will crucify him right after the convention. The democrats are in a terrible situation, with a woman and an african american male running at the same time. To balance out either ticket, the vp will have to be a wasp male, probably a Mitt Romney type person to try to attract some of the "red" state votes. No matter who runs in the end, look forward to a 51 - 49% split in the popular vote. Both parties will cater to the extreme side of their constituency and the middle will be split...just like the last elections.