Topic: need a saturn mechanic
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Sun 03/09/08 09:27 PM
yea thanx bud if not ill just sell it or junk it one of the two

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Sun 03/09/08 09:29 PM
Your 92 Saturn with a 1.8 OR the 1.9 liter engines do NOT have a carb in them.

There is an idle air control valve located on your throttle body which can collect carbon deposits. It may be helpful to take it off and spray it with carb cleaner. The EGR valve (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) could be getting stuck on the car because of carbon deposits. Take it off and let it soak overnight in carb cleaner. It won't hurt to try cleaning those two parts.

It sounds like most likely your valves are bent, and bent valves CAN be enough on the 1.8/1.9 to not let it start. The timing chain sounds like it's on wrong (reversed?).

Without actually SEEING it, though, these are just couldas.

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Sun 03/09/08 09:29 PM
Saturn needs a new mechanic.if they hired one,maybe they wouldn't break down all the time

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Sun 03/09/08 09:29 PM
No.. Most small modern engines have no valve clearence in the combustion chamber.. In other words.. The piston and valves cannot both be in the compression chamber together. They are trying to occupy the same space when the timing chain is gone.

The stems are bent..The seal is not happening..
In fact.. turning the engine over is probably doing more damage to the pistons, the races and seats in the head.

I'd imagine that all your intake valves are stuck open and that is where your fuel is going.

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Sun 03/09/08 09:31 PM

Your 92 Saturn with a 1.8 OR the 1.9 liter engines do NOT have a carb in them.

There is an idle air control valve located on your throttle body which can collect carbon deposits. It may be helpful to take it off and spray it with carb cleaner. The EGR valve (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) could be getting stuck on the car because of carbon deposits. Take it off and let it soak overnight in carb cleaner. It won't hurt to try cleaning those two parts.

It sounds like most likely your valves are bent, and bent valves CAN be enough on the 1.8/1.9 to not let it start. The timing chain sounds like it's on wrong (reversed?).

Without actually SEEING it, though, these are just couldas.



Jace does know! laugh

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Sun 03/09/08 09:33 PM
I know not to buy Saturns.. LOL Just kidding! (=

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Sun 03/09/08 09:38 PM
I bought a 2001 SC2 2 weeks ago, I LOVE it. Bright red, moonroof, great stereo, good gas milage & the heater works real good! That's important in Wisconsin!

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Sun 03/09/08 09:38 PM
I bought a 2001 SC2 2 weeks ago, I LOVE it. Bright red, moonroof, great stereo, good gas milage & the heater works real good! That's important in Wisconsin!

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Sun 03/09/08 09:38 PM

No.. Most small modern engines have no valve clearence in the combustion chamber.. In other words.. The piston and valves cannot both be in the compression chamber together. They are trying to occupy the same space when the timing chain is gone.

The stems are bent..The seal is not happening..
In fact.. turning the engine over is probably doing more damage to the pistons, the races and seats in the head.

I'd imagine that all your intake valves are stuck open and that is where your fuel is going.


ditto

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Sun 03/09/08 09:44 PM
saturns seem to be one way or the other..

one friend of mine has one that is awsome and extremely reliable..

my other buddy has one that is a complete hunk of scrap metel..

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Sun 03/09/08 09:45 PM

I know not to buy Saturns.. LOL Just kidding! (=


Actually..this can happen to most cars with 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Domestic or import.

It is a good idea to be aware of the serviceable miles a timing belt or chain has on it...and replace it before it reaches that point.

The damage you can do to the engine is pretty costly. Even if you have the ability and means to do most of the work yourself... You are still gonna have to have the head machined, new valves, new pistons, rings, gaskets...etc... Easily, it could be an $800.00 mistake. I'm probably way off on that.. It has been a while.

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Sun 03/09/08 09:50 PM

saturns seem to be one way or the other..

one friend of mine has one that is awsome and extremely reliable..

my other buddy has one that is a complete hunk of scrap metel..


Yeah, People seem to either love thenm or hate them. I have 2 friends that have 1 & 1 friend that has 2 they all are very happy with them. I LOVE mine, I still smile when I leave work & see it in the lot, I enjoy my ride home so much! This is the 1st time I have bought a car less than 10 years old & with less than 100K miles. It's a 2001 but looks new, it was so well kept has 74K miles. I hear that when you do need to have work done it is expense & could take a while to get an appointment.

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Sun 03/09/08 09:52 PM


I know not to buy Saturns.. LOL Just kidding! (=


Actually..this can happen to most cars with 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Domestic or import.

It is a good idea to be aware of the serviceable miles a timing belt or chain has on it...and replace it before it reaches that point.

The damage you can do to the engine is pretty costly. Even if you have the ability and means to do most of the work yourself... You are still gonna have to have the head machined, new valves, new pistons, rings, gaskets...etc... Easily, it could be an $800.00 mistake. I'm probably way off on that.. It has been a while.


Could you tell me what the average expected life of a Saturn 4 cylider twin cam's timing belt is?

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Sun 03/09/08 09:58 PM
Nope.. But your Saturn Dealer parts counter can. Just call and ask.
This thread may save you a ton of cash! Thank the guy who opened it!

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Sun 03/09/08 10:01 PM
you need to run a compression check to see if your valves are bent. and check the timing belt once again to see if you got it right. if it ran once after replacing it, maybe you got the timing wrong and it is flooded. compression test will tell you if you have bent valves.

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Sun 03/09/08 10:03 PM

Nope.. But your Saturn Dealer parts counter can. Just call and ask.
This thread may save you a ton of cash! Thank the guy who opened it!


I will do that! Thanks Jistme & thanks Slant!

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Sun 03/09/08 10:05 PM

you need to run a compression check to see if your valves are bent. and check the timing belt once again to see if you got it right. if it ran once after replacing it, maybe you got the timing wrong and it is flooded. compression test will tell you if you have bent valves.


This is true.. Did I miss something? If it ran after the chain was replaced?
Generally there is no compression if the valves are open and bent. You can clearly hear that. The starter just spins..as if there is no engine attached.

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Sun 03/09/08 10:23 PM


you need to run a compression check to see if your valves are bent. and check the timing belt once again to see if you got it right. if it ran once after replacing it, maybe you got the timing wrong and it is flooded. compression test will tell you if you have bent valves.


This is true.. Did I miss something? If it ran after the chain was replaced?
Generally there is no compression if the valves are open and bent. You can clearly hear that. The starter just spins..as if there is no engine attached.

if you read his first statement he replaced the timing chain and fired it up, then shut it down. then it would not start again. if the valves were bent it may start, and it may flood itself out.

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Sun 03/09/08 10:42 PM

if you read his first statement he replaced the timing chain and fired it up, then shut it down. then it would not start again. if the valves were bent it may start, and it may flood itself out.
I thought I did read it.. Apparently not well enough.. Thanks for clearing that up for me. drinker

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Sun 03/09/08 10:45 PM
not a problem but my bet is still on the timing being out. my guess is it jumped time while putting it back togather