...that's fine. You preach that christians preach hate. That is still OK. But why do you go against your own preaching?
I mean a girl posted a innocent thread about something she thinks a miracle (I also think the same.) That is the problem of us who want to believe that. Then why the hell (yes, i said hell) you start diminishing something that for her, me, and others is something that is a reality.
You hate christianity because you say we have a delusional perspective of God, the world, and life. It's ok. As far as I'm concern that is the same as a chinese guy cooking rice in China right now. But aren't you doing the same thing.
So you have the balls to judge christians when you are the first crying out loud because they judge you.
So aren't you playing a double face game.
Therefore, I have to understand that even if you deny it you are the same as we christians are. You are the same judgmental, hypocrital, and delusional as you call us.
So who is who? The blind or the non-blind.
I know I have posted something similar before, I'd keep doing it until I keep seeing hypocrites who cry because I judge them, when they judge back. Worst they become offensive.
So who is who?

Theres a lot of assumptions here

Lonelwalker Your cool bro

I find this post ironic!

say what?

I don't believe in any religion... I believe in living life to be the best person I can... Thats what religion is all about though isn't it?

there ain't anything ironic here.
I'm just damn tired. If you don't share beliefs with other people fine. If you criticize other behaviors, don't fall into them as well.
That is being hypocrite.

correct.

I posted the following in the original thread, but I'll post it here too since it's relavent to this topic,...

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I don’t know why everyone always has to call it bashing when people ask legitimate questions.

Where in the story was there any reason to believe that this ‘miracle’ recovery should be attributed to any particular deity?

That’s the only real question that is being raised.

Red basically asks, “How do we know what is divine intervention and what isn’t?” Did angels appear and state specifically that this was a miracle performed by particular God?

That’s a legitimate question. It’s not bashing anyone.

I suggest the same thing. Why is this being attributed to a specific God when there is nothing in the story that even implies what the source of the rapid recovery might have been.

I think it’s a legitimate question to ask why other devout and good Christians have suffered great pain and loss. What was so special about this girl? Why should we believe that God favors her over other apparent sincere Christians?

And what about the non-Christians who have similar stories of seemingly miraculous event occurring in their lives, what do we attribute those events to? If we have to also attribute them to God, then clearly God doesn’t care what religion people are affiliated with.

These are legitimate questions Miguel.

Not meant to bash anyone.

'LonelyWalker' this is a debating site. People post their views about all kinds of subjects, in the context of a debating forum.

The debating format intrinsically implies the exchange of 'pro' and 'counter' viewpoints, on a wide variety of subjects, between a great diversity of people (different faith, beliefs, convictions, etc).

The 'girl' you are referring to, suggested, according to her convictions, that a particular event amounted to miracle, where, in her perspective of things, the hand of a particular god this 'girl' believes in, had some doing.

That obviously is her legitimate viewpoint. And it is what she chose to offer (her OP) as a debating topic (yes everything posted here on these forums, automatically become fair game to a 'pro' and 'con' debating joust).

Here is the point 'LonelyWalker', you cannot claim 'FoulPlay' against someone accepting the invitation of the debate, and proposing the 'counter' viewpoint to the DEBATING hostess's viewpoint.

No one insulted the hostess. No one suggested she didn't have the right to hold the exact viewpoint she posted.

No one 'BASHED', 'DIMINISHED', 'JUDGED', or 'CORRECTED' the hostess's viewpoint.

In a straight and most civilized 'debating' style, people with a different viewpoint, came forth and intelligently expressed THEIR DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT, and raised legitimate questions.

That's what debates are for. That's what debating forums are all about.

You should reconsider, and remove your 'out-of-place' 'judgmental, hypocrital, and delusional' accusations made against people whom simply offered their countering point of view.

People offering a different viewpoint are in no way being judgemental, hypocritical or delusional.

Your 'out-of-place' accusations are in the best of cases a form of intimidation against those whom don't think as you do. At worse, it is censorship:

'...those whom agree with you would have the RIGHT to express their viewpoints, and those whom don't, according to your statements, would have no such rights'.

Through your different posts, I have come to appreciate that you know well better than that.

Amicably and respectfully 'LonelyWalker'.

Amicably and respectfully I would say that I'm as well starting an open debate about something I honestly consider a wrong manner to approach an innocent post.
My post may not been as innocent as hers, but it claims a valid point. I have seen too many times how christians and non-christians go on and on accussing each other of being hypocrites. That makes me think that towards the end all of us suffer the same failures.
And then again amicably and respectfully I won't remove my "out-of-place" (as far as your conception) post simply because I consider it's not "out-of-place" and it claims a valid point.

You see James when you change your speech they are ofcourse valid questions, but when you say something like "The only miracle I've witnessed is God saving me from Christianity." Well honestly what to think, you are a very educated man, and it really surprises me that you can come out with such a thing.
What you say implies that we christians are some kind of awful and horrible people.
Now back to your questions.
Most of the answers are pretty obvious to me.
First of all, God is just one. And I agree with you when you say that God is everywhere, in everything, and in everybody. Therefore, the only God (Source, Creator, or Universe) is responsible for what her, me, and many other think is a miracle.
Second of all, God can't be selective with His children because as a Father He loves us equally. This kind of manifestations occur to specific people because they serve a purpose in their lives and other people lives. We can't tell for just what she said. The beauty of God is that He acts in misterious ways which is responsability of each one of us to discover it. This discovering just occurs through prayer and reflection. That is our individual relation with God.
Third of all, that is the reason why we believe that is a miracle because there is not a source which explains the recovery. Then we conclude is God's benevolent hand.
Those are valid answers which I hold truth. In any moment I want anybody to consider my truth his or hers. I'm just exposing the way I think.
Conclusion: Whenever a valid question is expressed in a valid manner it deserves a valid answer. However, if those questions are accompanied by an inflamatory comment, they lose all their validity.

Well 'lonely', if you feel it is a valid point, you sure have based this thread, and your accusations on a most inappropriate 'EXAMPLE'.

Try and find examples which match the 'valid points' you are trying to make.

Until you do, your accusations are still very much unacceptable in the context of the specific example you offered.

accusations? I'd say perceptions.

'lonely', you wrote in your OP


That my friend is an (unfounded yet) accusation !!!

My dear voileazur please overread a thread called: "questions that christians refuse to answer," and focus in the author's comments. If u have some time track his speech, and then tell me.
Meanwhile, my friend with all due respect to u I will remain in my position.

'lonely' I have no personal quarrel with you personnally. I respect you, and find that you're a good man.

I will not enter into a personnal fight with you.

I will simply reiterate the fact that you based your post and your accusations on an impertinent and unfounded example.

You are the host. It is your topic. It is your 'valid claim' to make. And to make a claim, one needs at the very least to come up with valid supporting 'evidence'.

This is not a fight 'lonely', it is an invitation to clarify, such that your valid point gets across.

My friend you espress yourself in a very educated manner. Therefore, you have a valid point which I respect. However, I don't agree with it.
If my perceptions don't go according with who you are, please do not feel affected by them.
Then again with all due respect to you.

That wasn’t my intent. For whatever it’s worth I don’t believe that. My mother was a Christian and as far as I’m concern she was the nicest person I’ve ever known. But it wasn’t because she was a Christian. That just happened to be a coincidence.

Your religion doesn’t make you who you are Miguel. At least I hope it doesn’t.

tissue?