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Ferralcat:
I was being so sincere.......so if your going to have all this hatred so be it...... I believe you were being sincere. At least it sounded sincere. But for the record, "This is truly a sad day  " Looks like a laughing face to me.. Would it not have been better to write: "This is truly a sad day  ?" Perhaps you clicked on the wrong face. |
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Hatred? Sincerity? You are obviously confused. Someone who is being sincere, at a time they should be considering another's well-being, does not laugh in the others face upon saying goodbye... Period.. You are proving yourself to be a delusional liar. You are out for feral and feral's own self-righteuosness, to feel like her world is ok, even though she is not. Justified is the thief within you that has stolen your truth. I just looked at my original post Creative and I assure you I did not put a laughing face on it.......I would never laugh at someone who felt they had to leave under the circumstances you said you were......so someone is being a jerk.....I was wondering why you were so hateful......and believe as you want....But I never put that laughing face there..... Must have been the devil! 
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Elementary my dear Watson this is clearly a who done it mystery, Scotland Yard have asked me to find the scoundrel that is responsible for creative soul losing his creativity to post in this forum, butI Sherlock Funches have used my powers of logical deduction and have ferret out the heathenous culprit ...it is..it is.....Professor Moriarty
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Elementary my dear Watson this is clearly a who done it mystery, Scotland Yard have asked me to find the scoundrel that is responsible for creative soul losing his creativity to post in this forum, butI Sherlock Funches have used my powers of logical deduction and have ferret out the heathenous culprit ...it is..it is.....Professor Moriarty 
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Oh my! Stopped in to hear some familiar voices, but then I realized I lost my 10 foot pole, but if I had it, I'd have to question, "would I touch this thread with that 10' pole?"
NOT I SAID THE PIG, NOT I SAID THE COW, So Henney Penny decided not to waste time, looking for that pole.  |
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Di,
Are you cookin' porkchops and burgers? Er, barbecue chicken? Mmmmm Mmmmm... That sounds good, we better hurry though, something is fallin'... right? Good to see you, my friend... Everyone else also... 
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Di, Are you cookin' porkchops and burgers? Er, barbecue chicken? Mmmmm Mmmmm... That sounds good, we better hurry though, something is fallin'... right? Good to see you, my friend... Everyone else also... I have an umbrella and a cooler full of Pomitinis ... so if that thing falls ....it's all good hun  
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Elementary my dear Watson this is clearly a who done it mystery, Scotland Yard have asked me to find the scoundrel that is responsible for creative soul losing his creativity to post in this forum, butI Sherlock Funches have used my powers of logical deduction and have ferret out the heathenous culprit ...it is..it is.....Professor Moriarty Hey Professor funches! It is good to see your humor, I find your approach quite entertaining at times... Sherlock plays Clue? Arsty: Coolers full of that which we cannot drink? I suppose we could just offer it to those who can.  Harry: How are ya my friend? Damned ole' devil, always slipping up in the guise of Freud... jeannie: Michael Gabriel, you write such beautiful things. Love to you! Thank you, I write of that which rings as truth for me, just as we all do... Voile: Thank you for your shared perspective, always quite humbling... Scttr: I recognize many similarities in what has been shared by you concerning life as a whole, and what I too, have known in life. Perhaps this is what seems familiar to you as well... Miguel: Good to see you back!!!  spider: Concerning you and I... our conversations... So many times during an exchange between you and I, there have been words extrapolating upon that which I have never suggested, nor intended on suggesting. I find that in these conversations, should I choose to continue the attempt at progress, I must first separate that which you have claimed that I have said or meant from that which I had. At that point in time, whatever the topic was becomes one of clarifying the differences between what I have written and what you have read, which were obviously not one in the same. Thus, the conversation from this end seems a futile exercise in clarification, especially if the listener does not or cannot hear what the speaker is saying to begin with. This particular post has no intent to place individual value. It is just what I see, from my perspective. Perhaps this can help our perception of our exchanges. feral: For whatever reason, you have tried to insinuate, on many occasions, that I have some type of 'hate' which you obviously recognize from your vantage point. This recognition must be of something other than what you are seeing when you look at me, because 'hate' does not exist within this man, frustration is more aptly named. Should I feel 'hate' towards you, then complete inconsideration for you would follow, and my steps would have been much more inclined to intentionally disassemble your constructs. We all walk our path for our own reasons, none of which are any less valid than any others, none of which are one-size-fits-all... Di: James: All others: |
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Hey Professor funches! It is good to see your humor, I find your approach quite entertaining at times... Sherlock plays Clue? The Clue "Creative Soul" is that you are Professor Moriaty because it is ultimaely your decision to leave the forum but to create a thread in which your supposed friends blame themselves or each other is the ultimate in passive aggression ..it's about the same as someone faking their death so they can attend the funeral with all the attendees either feeling guilty or being suspected of their murder |
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I think it is quite unfair to blame the OP for how others perceive and respond.
From my perspective the thread was about creativesoul acknowledging that in some of the conversations over the last 3-4 months he has turned away from himself or that which he chooses to be. He recognizes that was not his intent and is re-choosing a path in alignment with himself. That is how I read it anyway. How others have chosen to respond is on them. I believe creativesoul has touched many at JSH by his words. In the end, all any of us can do is speak...or in this case write...what resonates as truth for us. We let the words fall to the ground. If it resonates as truth for another, they will pick them up and if they don't then leave them on the ground where they lay. It matters not. |
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I think it is quite unfair to blame the OP for how others perceive and respond. but isn't Creative Soul blaming the conversations of others for placing him out of alignment with himself...since a forum is a place of debate that he willingly attended can you explain how that is someone's else fault ..Creative soul speaks in parables instead of just saying what he really means which is obvious at the beginning of this thread and that's a passive aggressive way to stick it to someone while denying all responsibility for doing so by simply claiming that the complaintee misinterpted the post .. |
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but isn't Creative Soul blaming the conversations of others for placing him out of alignment with himself... He certainly didn’t do this in the OP. From the OP,…. Over the past three or four months, I have allowed myself to become involved in conversation(s) in which the path has led away from that which I had come to realize, long ago. Clearly he takes full responsibility for his choices. However he also states,… It was not my intent. It is no longer my path. He doesn’t intend for the negativity to evolve, but it does anyway. It is no longer his path, yet the rut is an extremely difficult one to escape. And the reason is quite simple. Accusations are being made, even in this thread. And it’s everyone’s natural desire to defend against misunderstandings and accusations. Yet, the mere act of going into ‘defense mode’ is what brings about hostilities. It is not his intent, as it is not our intent. Or at least it shouldn’t be,… Why do we feel a need to make accusations? Why do we feel such a deep-seated need to defend against those who misunderstand our intent? This is apparently human nature and only proves that Michael has been correct all along when he states that we have no real free will. We have no free will to choose to be correctly understood. And therefore we have no choice but to fall into the trap of attempting to clarify are true intent, and that choice often leads us down a path of defensive passive-aggression which he never truly meant to choose. Where’s the free will when our apparent choices lead us to places we did not chose to go??? It appears, that to genuinely have free will the only thing we can truly choose to do is not to speak at all, and thus we won’t be misunderstood. But is having the free will to not act at all, really the same as having free will do choose what we’d like to do? Here in this very thread Michael is being placed in the precarious position of having to defend against accusations that have arisen form misunderstands that were never his original intent. He did not choose to be misunderstood. Where is free choice in that? How can one choose to be understood? Do we really have any free will at all? Apparently not. |
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but isn't Creative Soul blaming the conversations of others for placing him out of alignment with himself... He certainly didn’t do this in the OP. From the OP,…. Over the past three or four months, I have allowed myself to become involved in conversation(s) in which the path has led away from that which I had come to realize, long ago. Clearly he takes full responsibility for his choices. However he also states,… It was not my intent. It is no longer my path. He doesn’t intend for the negativity to evolve, but it does anyway. It is no longer his path, yet the rut is an extremely difficult one to escape. And the reason is quite simple. Accusations are being made, even in this thread. And it’s everyone’s natural desire to defend against misunderstandings and accusations. I have no clue what path he is talking about or any clue to what his original post is about as I have not followed all of the threads that lead to this point. But he must have had some motive, reason, or agenda for making this post in the first place, a veiled as it was. I do not know what that might be, but I find the responses interesting. Yet, the mere act of going into ‘defense mode’ is what brings about hostilities. If someone went into the defense mode, then they either feel attacked or offended or guilty about something that was said in the original post for some reason. It is not his intent, as it is not our intent. Or at least it shouldn’t be,… Why do we feel a need to make accusations? Why do we feel such a deep-seated need to defend against those who misunderstand our intent? This is apparently human nature and only proves that Michael has been correct all along when he states that we have no real free will. We have no free will to choose to be correctly understood. And therefore we have no choice but to fall into the trap of attempting to clarify are true intent, and that choice often leads us down a path of defensive passive-aggression which he never truly meant to choose. Making ourselves better understood is what we all strive for. In person, you can see faces, hear tones of voice, feel vibrations. Over the Internet, all you see are words on a screen. Being misunderstood happens more often. Hence the reason for the little faces. ... Where’s the free will when our apparent choices lead us to places we did not chose to go??? It appears, that to genuinely have free will the only thing we can truly choose to do is not to speak at all, and thus we won’t be misunderstood. But is having the free will to not act at all, really the same as having free will do choose what we’d like to do? Here in this very thread Michael is being placed in the precarious position of having to defend against accusations that have arisen form misunderstands that were never his original intent. He did not choose to be misunderstood. Where is free choice in that? How can one choose to be understood? Do we really have any free will at all? Apparently not. Part of free will and using it the correct way is to take full and utter responsibility for all that arises in your reality. This means everything. You can claim that you had no intention to do this or that, but the higher self that you are connected to has access to all information. If you are in touch with it, you will always go where you intend to go and do what you intend to do and you will always take full responsibility for it. You are not responsible to others if they misunderstand you and it should not put you in a defensive mode. You first obligation to them is to be clear and precise in your communication, not vague or suggestive or overly analytical. Say what you feel and say what you think without letting your fear or emotion drive you. I know everyone does gets emotional at times, and we are trying to communicate spirit to spirit through our egos. But know that we are God and we are each other, all connected, yet all individual. |
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feralcatlady
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Thu 03/06/08 02:27 PM
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Ferralcat: I was being so sincere.......so if your going to have all this hatred so be it...... I believe you were being sincere. At least it sounded sincere. But for the record, "This is truly a sad day " Looks like a laughing face to me.. Would it not have been better to write: "This is truly a sad day ?" Perhaps you clicked on the wrong face. You know what I find so interesting....I know how I write and I know that I never put any faces in the begining or body of my text...always after.......so someone is playing games and it was not me. I am sad that CS is leaving......although still here....but that is neither here nor there......I did not laugh and my post was very sincere......the sad thing is if any of you knew who I truly was...it would not even of been a question....because it's not me...... Then I get the following from CS For whatever reason, you have tried to insinuate, on many occasions, that I have some type of 'hate' which you obviously recognize from your vantage point. This recognition must be of something other than what you are seeing when you look at me, because 'hate' does not exist within this man, frustration is more aptly named. Should I feel 'hate' towards you, then complete inconsideration for you would follow, and my steps would have been much more inclined to intentionally disassemble your constructs. We all walk our path for our own reasons, none of which are any less valid than any others, none of which are one-size-fits-all... Again words being put in my mouth.....I never insinuated or felt that you hate or had any feelings good, bad or indifferent toward me. I am who I am and proud of it. I disagreed with you....so what.....What a waste of energy it would be to hate you...I don't hate a living soul on this planet.....And even though my path is a narrow one...it is one that I walk with gladness....for my Lord Jesus Christ put me on it......and I walk it gladly for him. |
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Ferralcat: I was being so sincere.......so if your going to have all this hatred so be it...... I believe you were being sincere. At least it sounded sincere. But for the record, "This is truly a sad day " Looks like a laughing face to me.. Would it not have been better to write: "This is truly a sad day ?" Perhaps you clicked on the wrong face. You know what I find so interesting....I know how I write and I know that I never put any faces in the begining or body of my text...always after.......so someone is playing games and it was not me. I am sad that CS is leaving......although still here....but that is neither here nor there......I did not laugh and my post was very sincere......the sad thing is if any of you knew who I truly was...it would not even of been a question....because it's not me...... As I said above, I believe that you were being sincere. How that laughing face got there we will never know, (but nobody else has the power to edit another person's post, so the evidence is against you) Even if you did put it there on accident, I still could see that you were being sincere. It is hard to communicate with words on a computer. I know you are a good person even though we disagree on just about everything. Peace..... |
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My self-recognition of my own shortcomings is paramount in the pursuit to be a better man.
funches: I said what I meant... every time I spoke... Passive-aggressive huh? Clearly stating my motives also? That is a fair assessment for one that does not know who I am. Fair enough, I suppose. We all see things which our faculties allow. No harm, no foul. The more inconsiderate comments towards spider and feral in an earlier post have been re-thought, and regretted within myself. That is just me, cause that's how I roll... The last post simply clarified my perspective on the matter at hand concerning the conversations that we have had. Simple enough. Should they care to know, and it seems that a few times they had expressed a curiosity, I have given them an explanation to consider. Simple enough. In short, I know me, and I more than know that which is not. Have a good day! All who know me... thank you!!! You are the reason this has felt like home... I was the reason it had not... MMMMuuuah!!!! Love to all... |
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Ferralcat: I was being so sincere.......so if your going to have all this hatred so be it...... I believe you were being sincere. At least it sounded sincere. But for the record, "This is truly a sad day " Looks like a laughing face to me.. Would it not have been better to write: "This is truly a sad day ?" Perhaps you clicked on the wrong face. You know what I find so interesting....I know how I write and I know that I never put any faces in the begining or body of my text...always after.......so someone is playing games and it was not me. I am sad that CS is leaving......although still here....but that is neither here nor there......I did not laugh and my post was very sincere......the sad thing is if any of you knew who I truly was...it would not even of been a question....because it's not me...... As I said above, I believe that you were being sincere. How that laughing face got there we will never know, (but nobody else has the power to edit another person's post, so the evidence is against you) Even if you did put it there on accident, I still could see that you were being sincere. It is hard to communicate with words on a computer. I know you are a good person even though we disagree on just about everything. Peace..... And I honestly have much respect for you also....We don't agree so what...that doesn't make the whole of the human beings we are. I also just for the record in in type.....Want you all to believe whatever you want...But when you put in open forums and then bash my God, Jesus or the Bible is the only time you will get a fight for me...otherwise I live by two rules...Live and let live...and don't merely exsist.....pretty basic stuff. |
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.... ...But when you put in open forums and then bash my God, Jesus or the Bible.... Giving alternative perspectives on ancient writings is not bashing anything. To suggest that Jesus was not the incarnation of the God of Abraham is not bashing the man. Especially when this is put into the context of a belief that the ancient writings are most likely distortions of any actual historical events that may have taken place. You really need to get over this concept that the open-minded intellectual inquiry of other people concerning the correctness of ancient writings represents bashing of any kind. That automatically puts you on the personal defensive when the other person isn’t even attacking you personally. They are merely discussing the history of humanity as a whole as they see it. From their perspective it's not personal at all. |
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And I honestly have much respect for you also....We don't agree so what...that doesn't make the whole of the human beings we are. I also just for the record in in type.....Want you all to believe whatever you want...But when you put in open forums and then bash my God, Jesus or the Bible is the only time you will get a fight for me...otherwise I live by two rules...Live and let live...and don't merely exsist.....pretty basic stuff. We are not bashing "your god." We are questioning the dogma. You believe the dogma. We are questioning it. We don't believe it. We admit we don't believe it because it does not make sense to us. If it makes sense to you and you are happy, that is okay with us. But anything touted as "the truth" ALWAYS puts itself in the position of being examined very closely because everyone is "looking for the truth." (Part of the Game.) They are not going to just believe something is "the truth" just because someone told them it was. Do not take it personal. You believe you are saved, you are happy, and you have faith. We have doubts about your truth, but that should not shake your faith nor should it insult you because we don't believe you or agree with you. We are not asking you to change what you believe. We are only expressing our opinions. People should question everything touted as "the truth." Everyone is not foolish enough to believe any authority that arises with a story that challenges the intellect and reeks of fraud, especially when we see so many lies before us everywhere we turn. Question everything. Faith comes through personal experience, not from the believing of tales. JB  |
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Passive-aggressive?
Looks like someone needs a new badge creativesoul... lemme get my paints ...
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