it's obvious between us two I'm not the one with the problem...I'm sure glad though that the military got rid of you....

I am truly sorry you have trouble with the english launguage I thought posting a few definitions would help you.

english what?....

Nothing VERIFYING the claims of WMDs was ever found, still to this day. We are illegally there. No doubt about that.

I see you were right about my typo.....good for you

Why do you call people liers? her case is much stronger than yours and why cant we keep this civil without all this name calling

And they kept the secret when we invaded..becauseee?
I mean if there was something useful to know was that? Why would anyone keep something like that secret? And How?

Just a friendly reminder do not attack another directly within your responses. These threads are to be keep as a debate type form this is very clear within the forum rules. If you have not read the forum rules then please take the type to do so. http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/13131



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thanks but I have a problem with people perpetrating lies on their posts...and proven lies at that...

can you back that accusation with fact?

that has already been done....I don't say something if it isn't true...

/the end

people need to quit grasping at nothing as an attempt to validate this whole mess

Very true, I know they said lets keep a secret so that everyone has to guess makes the war games more interesting

I realy thought for a second doc came up with something....glad I checked the facts

Well, if there actually were WMDs, then why would Paul Wolfowitz admit that Bush used weapons of mass destruction as an excuse "because it was politically convenient".

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/0530wmdexcuse.htm

So if Bush was grasping at straws in an attempt to justify the war, does this mean our President actually lied to us?

If it walks like a duck....

Wait a minute. Is that THE Paul Wolfowitz, the neocon, one of the architects of Bush's rise to power?

The head of the World Bank who had to resign because of alleged favors to his mistress?

Yes, that would be the same one.

yeah, think it was sarin, i dont know... it had everybody worried as hell because supposedly there werent any in Iraq. All I know is it was strapped to an IED that was uncovered and disarmed and immediately things changed. we went from sleeping with our masked packed away to using them as pillows, not to mention the the extra shots we had to carry.

can I say definatively that they came from a large cache stockpiled somewhere? no i cant, can i say that is was found, yep.... but hey Im just a soldier on the ground, you should really listen to someone at cnn who isnt there.

-500 tons...that's right...TONS...make that 1million pounds of yellow cake uranium. It was found at Saddam's nuclear weapons facility (yup...he had one of those too.)

-1.8 tons of partially enriched uranium found at the same place. You know, the stuff you need to make nukes.

-Hidden centrifuge parts and blueprints.

-Two dozen artillery shells loaded with Sarin and mustard gas.


just some more tid bits.

June 9, 2003, 8:45 a.m.
Saddam Had WMDs
There was no conspiracy, and the press knows it.



he United States has discovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I know this because I read it on the front page of the very liberal New York Times. Of course, the Times was only trying to hurt the administration. In the rush to Baghdad during the war, our troops bypassed and failed to secure one of Saddam's key nuclear facilities. That facility was looted by local villagers, who ransacked vaults and warehouses looking for anything of value. Many of the villagers took home radioactive barrels, and are now suffering from radiation poisoning. According to the Times, the looted nuclear facility, "contained ample radioactive poisons that could be used to manufacture an inestimable quantity of so-called dirty bombs."

So in the course of trying to embarrass the administration, the Times has inadvertently raised a very important point in the administration's defense. Saddam's nuclear-weapons program contained sufficient material to pose a serious threat to the United States. In the hands of terrorists, nuclear dirty bombs supplied by Saddam could have rendered landmarks and key sites in American cities uninhabitable for the foreseeable future.

And why did Saddam have a nuclear facility in the first place? It was, of course, part of his effort to produce a nuclear bomb. In fact, the nuclear site reported on by the Times was connected to the facility bombed years before by the Israelis, who had become convinced that Saddam was attempting to build a nuclear weapon. Thank goodness the Israelis acted. Thank goodness we did too.

Now it's true that this was a site that the inspectors knew about. That, however, might not have prevented Saddam from transferring the small amount of nuclear material necessary for a dirty bomb to terrorists. And the Iraqis may well have been carrying out other critical tasks in pursuit of a nuclear bomb at secret facilities. And there was always the danger that, in the absence of regime change, the Europeans would have tired of sanctions and inspections — as they'd done before — and let Saddam complete his nuclear work. The Europeans' renewed interest in sanctions was only prompted by America's preparations to invade, and we could not have kept our troops at the ready forever.

Another serious danger was the possibility that, at a propitious moment some time down the road, Saddam might simply have kicked the inspectors out. After all, that's what the North Koreans did. They waited till we were tied down by our struggle with Iraq, booted the inspectors out, and powered up their nuclear program. Had we failed to invade, Saddam could have waited until a weaker president was in power, and/or until the U.S. was tied down in a war (perhaps with Korea), and simply thrown the inspectors out. After all, he'd done it before.

Prior to the war, it was impossible to tell how close Saddam was to building a nuclear bomb. We hoped and believed that he was still at least a year or two away from success, although the possibility that he might be even closer than that had to be reckoned with. After all, our intelligence had once before proven wrong. We had underestimated the progress of Saddam's nuclear program, as we eventually learned from defectors. But even if Saddam was a couple of years away from a bomb, the need to invade was urgent. The point was precisely to stop Saddam before he got close enough to a bomb to exploit our uncertainty about his capacity and blackmail us. That, after all, is exactly what the North Koreans have been doing for some time.

this guy was only the guy who was making the damn things for saddam, but dont believe him either, just cnn!

Saddam Still Pursuing Nuclear Weapons, Says Iraqi Scientis


By William B. Reinckens
Washington File Correspondent

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's former nuclear weapons expert Khidhir
Hamza said Iraq is only months away from making a workable bomb.

However, Hamza said Iraq must rely on foreign sources for fissile
material.

"I don't think that he will keep it a secret," said Hamza. "Once
Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction [WMD] program is capable
of generating a couple of nuclear devices, Saddam will use it to his
own ends," he said. Hamza predicted that Saddam would test one of the
devices and then declare himself "a nuclear power."

Hamza started working in Iraq's nuclear program in the 1970s after
studying physics in the United States; he defected to the West in
1995.

Hamza spoke at a book signing reception at the Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace in Washington on November 2. His book, co-authored
with Jeff Stein, is entitled "Saddam's Bomb Maker: The Terrifying
Inside Story of the Iraqi Nuclear and Biological Weapons Agenda." The
book was released in the United States November 2 and in Europe in
October.

The Iraqi scientist related how Saddam Hussein hookwinked the
International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) for years, even though Iraq
signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1968 and ratified it in
1969. "That [ratification] made our nuclear-power cover stories
internationally acceptable and justified our major nuclear purchases
with the full backing of the IAEA," Hamza said.

Hamza noted that after the Arab armies were defeated in the 1967 War
with Israel, Iraq started a nuclear program "to have at least parity
with Israel." In 1972, Saddam Hussein approved an initial plan that
led to Iraq's acquisition two years later of a nuclear reactor from
France for a plutonium bomb, he said. At the time, he said, Iraq's
initial investment in the program was $500 million and the program
employed 500 technicians.

Israel's attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor facility in 1981
kicked Saddam's nuclear weapons program into high gear, Hamza said.
"Israel made a mistake in hitting the reactor," he said. Saddam
responded by launching a new eight-year-long secret program in 1982 to
build a nuclear bomb inventory that would eventually cost $10,000
million and employ 7,000 technicians and scientists, Hamza said.

Hamza said Saddam was driven by a desire to make Iraq a nuclear power
and the center of Arab power and unity. Saddam "needed a crude device
to drop on Israel," Hamza said.

After the Gulf War in 1991, Iraq continued with its secret nuclear
weapons development program, says Hamza. The program was eventually
discovered by United Nations inspection teams, who began to dismantle
it until they were ordered to leave Iraq at the end of 1998.

Hamza's book relates how Iraq tested biological and chemical weapons
on human subjects, most of whom were political prisoners, but also on
Kurds in the north and Shiites in the south.

The Iraqi nuclear expert said that while he was working on the nuclear
program, the Iraqi regime recruited Iraqi university students for
clandestine WMD programs and "some of the students died due to
exposure."

Conditions inside Iraq became so bad for the scientists and their
families that many fled, said Hamza. One of the problems for Saddam
today, he said, "is that no one is returning home" to work on the WMD
programs.

Hamza asserted that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) tried
to recruit him to make a bomb and Baghdad had a secret program aimed
at breaking into U.S. and other foreign computer systems.

(The Washington File is a product of the Office of International
Information Programs, U.S. Department of State. Web site:
http://usinfo.state.gov