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Topic: UN, WMDs found but under reported
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Thu 02/28/08 06:02 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=07b_1186980879

for those who believe that you cant trust our own government and wish us to run everything by the UN, here is what the UN itself has to say about the topic of WMDs that you crazy people say we never found.

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Fri 02/29/08 12:53 AM
Bush was right? What is this the twilight zone.huh huh huh sick sick sick

armydoc4u's photo
Fri 02/29/08 01:22 AM
shhhhhhhhhhh....... I dont think anyone's supposed to know:wink:

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Fri 02/29/08 01:57 AM
did everyone forget about the bioweapon trlrs

hhhhmmmmmmmmmm

why is that

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Fri 02/29/08 05:53 AM
I can see two reasons other countries won't admit that there were WMD's in Iraq and would rather have Bush being blamed for creating the mess.....these countries would rather the US be the focus of the terrorists and would have to send in troops if the admitted MWD's were in Iraq and their main argument agaisnt the war is null and void....

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Fri 02/29/08 08:07 AM

I can see two reasons other countries won't admit that there were WMD's in Iraq and would rather have Bush being blamed for creating the mess.....these countries would rather the US be the focus of the terrorists and would have to send in troops if the admitted MWD's were in Iraq and their main argument agaisnt the war is null and void....


your right it gives them deniability, but sending in the troops to help, screw that dont need or want them for that. can you imagine-france, they would throw down their weapons and run rearming more insurgents.indifferent

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Fri 02/29/08 09:57 AM


I can see two reasons other countries won't admit that there were WMD's in Iraq and would rather have Bush being blamed for creating the mess.....these countries would rather the US be the focus of the terrorists and would have to send in troops if the admitted MWD's were in Iraq and their main argument agaisnt the war is null and void....


your right it gives them deniability, but sending in the troops to help, screw that dont need or want them for that. can you imagine-france, they would throw down their weapons and run rearming more insurgents.indifferent


France is known for having second hand weapons that have never been fired and only dropped once..lol

A thought about this thread and a few others like it..factual threads like this one get very few response compared to rhetoric copy and paste thread that are posted by liberals...but yet they claim we are the ones that are brainwashed...the liberals who partake in those copy and paste thread don't help the liberals cause because an unassuming onlooker may come away with a image that all liberals are dim-witted

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Fri 02/29/08 10:08 AM
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh Liveleaks is like youtube, how dam valid is that???!!!!!! You are trying too hard and making yourself look foolishnoway laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Fri 02/29/08 10:29 AM
and another article from a different source but with identical facts

and here's an important issue noted in the article "The numerous United Nations resolutions passed before the war put the burden of proof on Saddam Hussein to demonstrate he did not have the weapons or the programs."


Friday February 29, 2008 Morning Edition

WND OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM
Inspector: Saddam had WMD on 'short notice'
Report by new director of survey group cites new, hard evidence

Posted: May 12, 2004
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com



A document leaked by U.S. inspectors presents hard evidence Saddam Hussein could have unleashed biological and chemical weapons on foreign nations "at short notice."

The report by Charles Duelfer, the new director of the Iraq Survey group, said there is evidence the ousted Iraqi dictator was plotting to expand his facilities last year, before the invasion of British and American troops, the Scotsman reported.

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Duelfer presents what he calls "new information" on Saddam's military build-up, the newspaper said.

"Iraq did have facilities suitable for the production of biological and chemical agents needed for weapons," Duelfer states. "It had plans to improve and expand and even build new facilities."

The report refers to new evidence testing was done on long-range ballistic missiles and on a commercial biopesticide, which can be used as anthrax.

Duelfer's report, which has been sent to Congress, is his first after taking over in February for David Kay.

Critics of the war already have questioned Duelfer's findings, charging the new inspector has changed the criteria for finding weapons of mass destruction, shifting from hard evidence to signs of "intent."

The numerous United Nations resolutions passed before the war put the burden of proof on Saddam Hussein to demonstrate he did not have the weapons or the programs.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., has challenged the CIA, controller of the survey group, to declassify Duelfer's entire five-page report, the Scotsman said.

"Mr. Duelfer's statement," said Levin, "is written to express the author's 'suspicions' as to Iraq's activities relating to possible weapons of mass destruction programs or activities while leaving out information in the classified report which points away from his suspicions."

Duelfer says in his report the survey team's task is made difficult by the reluctance of former government officials to talk about their role in the weapons programs.

"There is a fear former regime supporters would exact retribution," the report says.

But the group, it continues, received "intriguing" reports about concealed stockpiles of weapons.

Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin said Monday he believes Saddam had WMD and they've fallen into terrorists' hands, making the threat of terrorism greater now than in the wake of 9-11, Canada's Sun Media reported.

"The fact is that there is now, we know well, a proliferation of nuclear weapons, and that many weapons that Saddam Hussein had, we don't know where they are," Martin told a crowd of about 700 university researchers and business leaders in Montreal. "That means terrorists have access to all of that."

Martin, with the backing of President Bush, is lobbying the international community to form an informational organization to address world issues such as terrorism.

"I believe that terrorism will be, for our generation, what the Cold War was to generations that preceded us," he said. "I don't think we're out of it yet."

Martin's comments on the root of terrorism contrasted with the views of his predecessor, Jean Chretien, who blamed it on poverty.

"The cause of terrorism is not poverty," Martin said, "it is hatred."

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Fri 02/29/08 10:40 AM

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh Liveleaks is like youtube, how dam valid is that???!!!!!! You are trying too hard and making yourself look foolishnoway laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

yet you support madmans posts from bush bashing sites. how hypocritical.

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Fri 02/29/08 10:41 AM
yet you support madmans posts from bush bashing sites. how hypocritical.


I wouldn't say it supports madmans posts...noway


it lives for them...laugh laugh

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Fri 02/29/08 11:02 AM
BTW armydoc, didnt you say that you actually come across some mustard gas etc while you were in iraq?

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Fri 02/29/08 11:14 AM
US gives up search for Iraq WMD
Last Updated: Wednesday, 12 January, 2005, 18:59 GMT
Duelfer confirmed in October there were no WMD stockpiles in Iraq
Intelligence officials have confirmed the US has stopped searching for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
They say the chief US investigator, Charles Duelfer, is not planning to return to the country.

Mr Duelfer reported last year that Iraq had no stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons at the time of the US-led invasion nearly two years ago.

The existence of WMD had been the stated reason in Washington and London for going to war with Iraq.

Mr Duelfer said when he released his interim report in October that former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had still had the desire to restart WMD programmes.

IRAQ SURVEY GROUP
Set up in May 2003
First leader, David Kay, quit in Jan 2004 stating WMD would not be found in Iraq
New head, Charles Duelfer appointed by CIA
1,200 experts from the US, Britain and Australia
HQ in Washington, offices in Baghdad and Qatar

He will make a few adjustments to his report but he will close the book on the hunt when the final version is published in a few weeks, says the BBC's Nick Childs in Washington.

Officials are still sifting through a mountain of documents and say they will follow any leads they find but there is no expectation that the hunt will be revived.

The Iraq Survey Group (ISG), which was responsible for the search, continues its work but with the focus now on trying to help counter the Iraqi insurgency.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Wednesday's announcement was nothing new and that Mr Bush had referred to the end of the search last year when Mr Duelfer's interim report came out.

But a report earlier on Wednesday in the Washington Post newspaper stating the search was over led to what appeared to be a confirmation by the spokesman.

Asked if the ISG had stopped actively searching for WMD, Mr McClellan said: "That's my understanding... A lot of their mission is focused elsewhere now."

'Expected'

Former US inspector David Kay told the BBC's Radio 4 PM programme this was the expected outcome:

Justice will never be done for all of the soldiers and Iraqi civilians who lost their lives needlessly

Ryan Healy, Tucson, Arizona


Your say: WMD search ends

"You cannot believe how hard it is to motivate people in the field who know that all they are doing is going through busy work motions because they themselves know there are no weapons there.

"I faced that over a year ago with a team that essentially knew that we were right when we said they were no weapons."

He said the ISG's document search would now focus on the continued insurgency in Iraq and the money flow issue surrounding the oil-for-food programme.

Former head of UN weapons inspections Hans Blix also said there was no surprise in the announcement.

"We have believed that there weren't any weapons since around May or June 2003. First came David Kay in September 2003 [who said] that he hadn't found any weapons and that was a big sensation - but he thought that there were programmes still," he told the BBC.

"But then came Duelfer last November [who] said that he hadn't seen any programmes, but maybe Saddam would have intended to restart the programme, and there is no evidence of that.

Mr Blix said he assumed it would be natural for the United States to now report their finding to the UN Security Council "because the US took the inspections out of the hands of the UN to undertake it themselves".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4169107.stm



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Fri 02/29/08 11:17 AM
^^^..guess you forgot to read the part where the WMD's were transported out of Iraq...laugh laugh laugh

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Fri 02/29/08 01:31 PM
Here is an article to go along with your claim northrn.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48647

I personally think that moving them would have been the logical thing to do.

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Fri 02/29/08 01:50 PM
Claims
Today, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) held a press conference and announced “we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.” Santorum and Hoekstra are hyping a document that describes degraded, pre-1991 munitions that were already acknowledged by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group and dismissed.

Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”
Fox’s Alan Colmes broke the news to Santorum. Watch it:


http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/dod-disavows-santorum/

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Fri 02/29/08 02:38 PM
madman ....we give you the easiest job in here that involved no intellectual maturity at all and you can't even get that right ...when you copy and paste you have to include everything ...you can't do it out of context.. noway

And Jim Angle reported this for Fox News quotes a defense official who says these were pre-1991 weapons that could not have been fired as designed because they already been degraded. And the official went on to say these are not the WMD’s this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had and not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.

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Fri 02/29/08 05:03 PM

Claims
Today, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) held a press conference and announced “we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.” Santorum and Hoekstra are hyping a document that describes degraded, pre-1991 munitions that were already acknowledged by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group and dismissed.

Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”
Fox’s Alan Colmes broke the news to Santorum. Watch it:


http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/dod-disavows-santorum/

The key word being (not the wmds this county went to war ) anothe key phrase you missed (degraded, pre-1991 munitions that were already acknowledged by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group and dismissed. )

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Fri 02/29/08 05:12 PM
Edited by madisonman on Fri 02/29/08 05:14 PM



Claims
Today, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) held a press conference and announced “we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.” Santorum and Hoekstra are hyping a document that describes degraded, pre-1991 munitions that were already acknowledged by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group and dismissed.

Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”
Fox’s Alan Colmes broke the news to Santorum. Watch it:


http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/dod-disavows-santorum/

The key word being (not the wmds this county went to war ) anothe key phrase you missed (degraded, pre-1991 munitions that were already acknowledged by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group and dismissed. )



you can't be that much of an idiot are ya...what does this mean to you?....oh and you can confer with dragonbush if you need..

the official went on to say these are not the WMD’s this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had and not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.

It means exactly what it says..old degraded munitions and not the ones we claimed sadam had and the evidence was dismissed by the Iraq survey group. what is your problemb?

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Fri 02/29/08 05:19 PM
degraded :characterized by degeneration of structure or function
— de·grad·ed·ly adverb
dismiss: To stop considering; rid one's mind of; dispel: dismissed all thoughts of running for office.
To refuse to accept or recognize; reject: dismissed the claim as highly improbable

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