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yeah I understand and dont take it as an attack of the military at all. Its an attack of an adminstration that she cant stand, i get that too. Is her right to have whatever opinion she wants, I disagree with her opinions tht are stated as facts and i guess Im just trying to put some common sense thinking back into what was otherwise devoid. I do remember, although can not at this time quote for the life of me the issues with the treaty that werent ratified, I do know some of them such as the child one, would say that teenage murders from lets just say texas could not be tried and convicted and put to death like someone just a couple of years older. which in the way that the US constitution and that of the state of texas would go against the states rights as ratified by its own poeple. not that im for killing anyone senselessly, but eye for an eye is what they want,,,, furthermore, nations who have ratified i suspect still carry out capital punishments anyway and are not subject to any reprecussions, but you know that the US would be held up in contempt before the world as a way of increasing the furvor that is now know as the geat jihad, but hey i could be all wrong, the word is surely full of wonderful law abiding citizens and would never do anything that would be considered ****ey. d  That tongue in cheek is going to cause orthodontic challenges if you aren't careful..
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nice now, behave
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I didn't think your post was directed at me Doc, however, there is obviously a theme amongst Dragonesses threads... and yes she is opposed to the violence, and to the impact of war, and is only attempting to share information... It isn't in the most positive of light for the soldiers reading it.... but I do get where she is coming from, and certainly isn't attacking personnel of the military. 
now lee the post she post is anti-conservative not just non-violence after all when other countries break the treaty she is quick to defend them 
for you d
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I didn't think your post was directed at me Doc, however, there is obviously a theme amongst Dragonesses threads... and yes she is opposed to the violence, and to the impact of war, and is only attempting to share information... It isn't in the most positive of light for the soldiers reading it.... but I do get where she is coming from, and certainly isn't attacking personnel of the military.
now lee the post she post is anti-conservative not just non-violence after all when other countries break the treaty she is quick to defend them
for you d
Robin, what's anti-conservative? I dont know nor understand a lot of the terms used, I am still trying to figure out what a socialist liberal naive commie is...
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Robin, what's anti-conservative? I dont know nor understand a lot of the terms used, I am still trying to figure out what a socialist liberal naive commie is.. most conservatives are related or associated with the republican party http://www.politicsdefined.com/content/conservativism.htm that site has many aspects of conservative politics in different areas of the public realm |
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Thats right. The hell with most other countries. I have seen with my own eyes. Not read it from the New York Times. Are you willing to throw out the constitution for the U.N. charter? One currency? Being held accountable by any country that deems that their laws are more important then the freedoms given to us by the Bill Of Rights? You want foreign soldiers on our streets? I have seen what the U.N. has handled the Aid for Oil in Iraq. Mishandled and stolen monies. I have seen U.S. troops commanded by some French idiot General. I bet you think that the U.N. actually had something to do with winning in the first Gulf War. The French sent seven Mirage jets that were all shot down. Didn't see any others other than the English. Outside of Kuwait City after the war I did see Saudis and Kuwaities blowing their horns riding in jeeps into the city after the fighting had finished but I guess you would never read that in the history books because the truth would be too politcally incorrect. Lets face it. Nothing gets done without the U.S. leading the way. I don't have a doubt that militarily there is nothing close to US. BUT if you choose to be the police of the world you have to do it right, militarily, tactically AND morally. That is if you want to be proud of yourself as a nation. If on the other side you want to expand and dominate..well than no, but then you can't pretend to be "better" than any other thug out there, just better armed and richer. I know perfectly that all the manouver in Iraq was to estabilish more control on that region. Personally I would have appreciated more a president sayng "Hey we need to control the oil flow and keep the WHOLE region at bay, therefore we are invading it" Fine. It sucks but at least it's true. What I don't buy is all the "fight for freedom" propaganda. I agree with you that the UN is a joke, still you have to somewhat came up with better rules, if you are on top of the game, instead of just ignoring the existing ones... Besides the bill of right is valid in US, not abroad, like an islamic law would not makes sense here. I never heard of 7 mirages shot down by the way. I remember one Italian Tornado that was the only pushing a mission of a 6 ship group after a failed refuel to be shot down by AA...All I could find about Mirages was that quite a few Iraqi one were shot down..not French I know a bit OT...sorry for that. |
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Edited by
northrn_yanke
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Wed 02/27/08 11:56 AM
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I am still trying to figure out what a socialist liberal naive commie is
what that is is a self proclaimed left wing socialist who backs off to now claim they're a socialist liberal when they are educated at to what a left wing socialist really is... 
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Thats right. The hell with most other countries. I have seen with my own eyes. Not read it from the New York Times. Are you willing to throw out the constitution for the U.N. charter? One currency? Being held accountable by any country that deems that their laws are more important then the freedoms given to us by the Bill Of Rights? You want foreign soldiers on our streets? I have seen what the U.N. has handled the Aid for Oil in Iraq. Mishandled and stolen monies. I have seen U.S. troops commanded by some French idiot General. I bet you think that the U.N. actually had something to do with winning in the first Gulf War. The French sent seven Mirage jets that were all shot down. Didn't see any others other than the English. Outside of Kuwait City after the war I did see Saudis and Kuwaities blowing their horns riding in jeeps into the city after the fighting had finished but I guess you would never read that in the history books because the truth would be too politcally incorrect. Lets face it. Nothing gets done without the U.S. leading the way. I don't have a doubt that militarily there is nothing close to US. BUT if you choose to be the police of the world you have to do it right, militarily, tactically AND morally. That is if you want to be proud of yourself as a nation. If on the other side you want to expand and dominate..well than no, but then you can't pretend to be "better" than any other thug out there, just better armed and richer. I know perfectly that all the manouver in Iraq was to estabilish more control on that region. Personally I would have appreciated more a president sayng "Hey we need to control the oil flow and keep the WHOLE region at bay, therefore we are invading it" Fine. It sucks but at least it's true. What I don't buy is all the "fight for freedom" propaganda. I agree with you that the UN is a joke, still you have to somewhat came up with better rules, if you are on top of the game, instead of just ignoring the existing ones... Besides the bill of right is valid in US, not abroad, like an islamic law would not makes sense here. I never heard of 7 mirages shot down by the way. I remember one Italian Tornado that was the only pushing a mission of a 6 ship group after a failed refuel to be shot down by AA...All I could find about Mirages was that quite a few Iraqi one were shot down..not French I know a bit OT...sorry for that. |
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Edited by
spqr
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Wed 02/27/08 04:08 PM
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I am not fighting for freedom. I am fighting against fanatics who think we don't have the right to exist because we are not muslim. Call it what you want but not wrong. You and any soldier have all my respect Marine, never doubt that. I blame politicians for the mess we're in not you guys. I am sure every man on the ground or over the seas does his/her best to help or to fight. But we both know they don't have a chance on earth to influence our lives other than blowing themselves up. Looks pretty desperate to me. Have you see the palestinian CARTOONS for kids brainwashing them for martyrdom? I mean if that's not desperate... My hope is that we find a different technology, and send them back selling dates and camels as they were doing before we started buying oil, but that's never going to happen since both oil and war are the biggest businesses on this planet. |
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I am not fighting for freedom. I am fighting against fanatics who think we don't have the right to exist because we are not muslim. Call it what you want but not wrong. You and any soldier have all my respect Marine, never doubt that. I blame politicians for the mess we're in not you guys. I am sure every man on the ground or over the seas does his/her best to help or to fight. But we both know they don't have a chance on earth to influence our lives other than blowing themselves up. Looks pretty desperate to me. Have you see the palestinian CARTOONS for kids brainwashing them for martyrdom? I mean if that's not desperate... My hope is that we find a different technology, and send them back selling dates and camels as they were doing before we started buying oil, but that's never going to happen since both oil and war are the biggest businesses on this planet.
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I didn't think your post was directed at me Doc, however, there is obviously a theme amongst Dragonesses threads... and yes she is opposed to the violence, and to the impact of war, and is only attempting to share information... It isn't in the most positive of light for the soldiers reading it.... but I do get where she is coming from, and certainly isn't attacking personnel of the military.
now lee the post she post is anti-conservative not just non-violence after all when other countries break the treaty she is quick to defend them
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adj, if you are going to spread propaganda bout me at least get it semi right. I am not anti-soldier but I am anti-this war. I am anti violence in general yes. As for not holding other countries to the treaties, that is not true. I would expect them to hold the world counsels at high priority just as I expect our government to do.
I believe this post is the post on the racial discrimination and we are far far from even good on that here in this country. Our racial issues here are alive and well and ugly. |
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I didn't think your post was directed at me Doc, however, there is obviously a theme amongst Dragonesses threads... and yes she is opposed to the violence, and to the impact of war, and is only attempting to share information... It isn't in the most positive of light for the soldiers reading it.... but I do get where she is coming from, and certainly isn't attacking personnel of the military.
Thanks Jess, for realing trying to see me, I appreciate that. And yes I am posting to share. And yes, I do not lean towards the conservative right, but I do not call myself a liberal either so I am my own person, I do not fit a label of any kind...lol...just being precocious
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Edited by
armydoc4u
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Wed 02/27/08 04:46 PM
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I am not anti-soldier but I am anti-this war. I am anti violence in general yes. As for not holding other countries to the treaties, that is not true. I would expect them to hold the world counsels at high priority just as I expect our government to do. I believe this post is the post on the racial discrimination and we are far far from even good on that here in this country. Our racial issues here are alive and well and ugly. the problem, and not picking a fight but trying to get some knowledge and understanding of the dynamics, is that... as much as people want for things to be equal everywhere and on all fronts of any given issue, they simply are not. different ideals and morals in parts of the world are so vastly different so as not to promote cooperation. things that westerners hold dear and sacrid are sometimes the very things that lets just say the muslim world revolts against. there can not be or should there be an expectation that the will agree to some standard of ours and us to them. if we adapt to them is there any guarentee that they will do the same? NO. Pretty soon the only ones doing any movement towards the middle is us, the more we move the more they want us to move. we hold ourselves to a higher standard and because of that we are the envy(most of the time) of the world. Higher standards of life, higher standards in equality, higher standards in a lot of areas, including freedoms. Race relations in this country are the best in the world bar none, no matter what you believe, we have to be, there are so many different types of peope here with so many ethnic backgrounds that you can longer say he is pure anglo or pure this or that. And it gets better every single day. in stark contrast to the ethnic cleansing going on in multiple parts of the world, or the contant jew arab squabbles, or arab turk squabble. or now more recent the arab west squabble (past few decades, if you want to call that recent in relative history terms) the only speaking any racist comments is SMO. we are not perfect that i will readily admit, but damn we are the closest thing on the planet to it. we're inclusive believe it or not, there are no travel advisories put out for any body traveling within our country, muslim, jew, black, latino, or otherwise. yes we kill murders, we dont discriminate based on age. is that extreme, yeah sure. are we like other countries and chop off hands for theivery, or shot them in the head for drunk driving, stone a woman to death for an extra marrital affair, or for writting a book or for drawing a cartoon, do we lock them in a hole with only another hole to pee in, no we give them cable tv and three meals a day. |
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