Topic: Waterboarding is Just Very Unpleasant . . . Right?
Dragoness's photo
Sun 02/24/08 08:54 PM



You think there have been no more attacks on our soil because of homeland security, lol? What is closer, u.s. soil, or middle eastern soil for them? The liberal mindset is one that has driven this country from a wonderful place, to a prime example of the crumbling of western civilization. We carpet bombed germany, civilian populations as well as military during ww2. We firebombed tokyo, a paper city, in ww2. We dropped two atomic bombs in ww2 on japanese civilian populaces. War is brutal my man, and to win you have to be more brutal than the other side. You do not get a surrender by firing nerf arrows at people, and hitting them with feather pillows. You my friend may want world peace, and no violence, but the only way you get peace is at the end of a gun. The very liberty you have at this moment to write your dissention is paid for by our people who are willing to sacrafice for you right now in that no account land called Iraq. You want everyone here carrying a gun, looking over their shoulder 24/7? You want to live like the israelis? We chose our battlefield for better or worse, and so far we (the civilian population) have reaped the benefits of having our troops over there. Withdraw our troops, leave the vaccuum, and see what happens. The time of our future is now, survival of our way of life is at stake and nothing less.



And I am sorry to say this is the brainwashing of our people at it's best right here. Sorry Rob. This is what your illustrious baby shrub wanted you to believe and you believe it.

It is unfortunate that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, neither did Saddam have anything to do with al qaeda, none of the bombers were from Iraq, Saddam has never struck us on our soil, saddam paid for 9/11 with his life, bin laden is not even a target anymore, we were in saudi arabia when bin laden perpetrated his crime from there but occupation of iraq was somehow a logical conclusion, etc......

It is all crapola.

Where the hell is the perpetrator of 9/11???? Why do we have saddam and no bin laden? Bin laden did it, right???? How does saddam and bin laden equal each other? Where is the perpetrator of the greatest crime on our soil? Why have we not been vindicated for 9/11?


Did you even bother to read my post before you decided to respond? where in there did I make that claim?


Brainwashing of the illustrious baby shrub:

All terrorist are arabic in background
Iraq was the homeland of terrorism for the "war on terror"
Saddam was a better target than bin laden
Saddam had weapons of mass destruction
Iraq had connections to al qaeda
Fighting the war on terror in Iraq was better than fighting it here on our home soil
Iraq being out of Saddams control will eliminate terrorism in the world
We are the great democricizers of the world and should democricize Iraq
We have not had a new terrorist attack because of the war in Iraq
ETC..........

All of it bull......all of it sucked right down by the American people.

If we were going to embark on a war on terror, as terror is worldwide we would have utilized the UN and would have gotten many nations with us and we would have fought terror as it really is worldwide.

If we were vindicating 9/11, bin laden would have been our primary target from day one and not Saddam

How the hell does the war over there stop an attack here especially since the terrorists who perpetrated the crime were not from Iraq nor were they in Iraq when they perpetrated the crime?

I am tired now and am going to bed but there is much much more on this subject.

We have been bamboozled and we should be mad as hell about it. Not perpetrating the same brainwashing that we were fed to illegally war with Iraq.

Single_Rob's photo
Sun 02/24/08 09:00 PM




You think there have been no more attacks on our soil because of homeland security, lol? What is closer, u.s. soil, or middle eastern soil for them? The liberal mindset is one that has driven this country from a wonderful place, to a prime example of the crumbling of western civilization. We carpet bombed germany, civilian populations as well as military during ww2. We firebombed tokyo, a paper city, in ww2. We dropped two atomic bombs in ww2 on japanese civilian populaces. War is brutal my man, and to win you have to be more brutal than the other side. You do not get a surrender by firing nerf arrows at people, and hitting them with feather pillows. You my friend may want world peace, and no violence, but the only way you get peace is at the end of a gun. The very liberty you have at this moment to write your dissention is paid for by our people who are willing to sacrafice for you right now in that no account land called Iraq. You want everyone here carrying a gun, looking over their shoulder 24/7? You want to live like the israelis? We chose our battlefield for better or worse, and so far we (the civilian population) have reaped the benefits of having our troops over there. Withdraw our troops, leave the vaccuum, and see what happens. The time of our future is now, survival of our way of life is at stake and nothing less.



And I am sorry to say this is the brainwashing of our people at it's best right here. Sorry Rob. This is what your illustrious baby shrub wanted you to believe and you believe it.

It is unfortunate that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, neither did Saddam have anything to do with al qaeda, none of the bombers were from Iraq, Saddam has never struck us on our soil, saddam paid for 9/11 with his life, bin laden is not even a target anymore, we were in saudi arabia when bin laden perpetrated his crime from there but occupation of iraq was somehow a logical conclusion, etc......

It is all crapola.

Where the hell is the perpetrator of 9/11???? Why do we have saddam and no bin laden? Bin laden did it, right???? How does saddam and bin laden equal each other? Where is the perpetrator of the greatest crime on our soil? Why have we not been vindicated for 9/11?


Did you even bother to read my post before you decided to respond? where in there did I make that claim?


Brainwashing of the illustrious baby shrub:

All terrorist are arabic in background
Iraq was the homeland of terrorism for the "war on terror"
Saddam was a better target than bin laden
Saddam had weapons of mass destruction
Iraq had connections to al qaeda
Fighting the war on terror in Iraq was better than fighting it here on our home soil
Iraq being out of Saddams control will eliminate terrorism in the world
We are the great democricizers of the world and should democricize Iraq
We have not had a new terrorist attack because of the war in Iraq
ETC..........

All of it bull......all of it sucked right down by the American people.

If we were going to embark on a war on terror, as terror is worldwide we would have utilized the UN and would have gotten many nations with us and we would have fought terror as it really is worldwide.

If we were vindicating 9/11, bin laden would have been our primary target from day one and not Saddam

How the hell does the war over there stop an attack here especially since the terrorists who perpetrated the crime were not from Iraq nor were they in Iraq when they perpetrated the crime?

I am tired now and am going to bed but there is much much more on this subject.

We have been bamboozled and we should be mad as hell about it. Not perpetrating the same brainwashing that we were fed to illegally war with Iraq.



it seems to me as if you have been brainwashed by your own beliefs, and that of the liberal media. ou still stunned from Kerry losing?

Dragoness's photo
Sun 02/24/08 09:02 PM





You think there have been no more attacks on our soil because of homeland security, lol? What is closer, u.s. soil, or middle eastern soil for them? The liberal mindset is one that has driven this country from a wonderful place, to a prime example of the crumbling of western civilization. We carpet bombed germany, civilian populations as well as military during ww2. We firebombed tokyo, a paper city, in ww2. We dropped two atomic bombs in ww2 on japanese civilian populaces. War is brutal my man, and to win you have to be more brutal than the other side. You do not get a surrender by firing nerf arrows at people, and hitting them with feather pillows. You my friend may want world peace, and no violence, but the only way you get peace is at the end of a gun. The very liberty you have at this moment to write your dissention is paid for by our people who are willing to sacrafice for you right now in that no account land called Iraq. You want everyone here carrying a gun, looking over their shoulder 24/7? You want to live like the israelis? We chose our battlefield for better or worse, and so far we (the civilian population) have reaped the benefits of having our troops over there. Withdraw our troops, leave the vaccuum, and see what happens. The time of our future is now, survival of our way of life is at stake and nothing less.



And I am sorry to say this is the brainwashing of our people at it's best right here. Sorry Rob. This is what your illustrious baby shrub wanted you to believe and you believe it.

It is unfortunate that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, neither did Saddam have anything to do with al qaeda, none of the bombers were from Iraq, Saddam has never struck us on our soil, saddam paid for 9/11 with his life, bin laden is not even a target anymore, we were in saudi arabia when bin laden perpetrated his crime from there but occupation of iraq was somehow a logical conclusion, etc......

It is all crapola.

Where the hell is the perpetrator of 9/11???? Why do we have saddam and no bin laden? Bin laden did it, right???? How does saddam and bin laden equal each other? Where is the perpetrator of the greatest crime on our soil? Why have we not been vindicated for 9/11?


Did you even bother to read my post before you decided to respond? where in there did I make that claim?


Brainwashing of the illustrious baby shrub:

All terrorist are arabic in background
Iraq was the homeland of terrorism for the "war on terror"
Saddam was a better target than bin laden
Saddam had weapons of mass destruction
Iraq had connections to al qaeda
Fighting the war on terror in Iraq was better than fighting it here on our home soil
Iraq being out of Saddams control will eliminate terrorism in the world
We are the great democricizers of the world and should democricize Iraq
We have not had a new terrorist attack because of the war in Iraq
ETC..........

All of it bull......all of it sucked right down by the American people.

If we were going to embark on a war on terror, as terror is worldwide we would have utilized the UN and would have gotten many nations with us and we would have fought terror as it really is worldwide.

If we were vindicating 9/11, bin laden would have been our primary target from day one and not Saddam

How the hell does the war over there stop an attack here especially since the terrorists who perpetrated the crime were not from Iraq nor were they in Iraq when they perpetrated the crime?

I am tired now and am going to bed but there is much much more on this subject.

We have been bamboozled and we should be mad as hell about it. Not perpetrating the same brainwashing that we were fed to illegally war with Iraq.



it seems to me as if you have been brainwashed by your own beliefs, and that of the liberal media. ou still stunned from Kerry losing?


laugh I do not consider myself a liberal so I am not sure how to take that and I did not like Kerry much so no I was not surprised he lost.

Single_Rob's photo
Sun 02/24/08 09:11 PM






You think there have been no more attacks on our soil because of homeland security, lol? What is closer, u.s. soil, or middle eastern soil for them? The liberal mindset is one that has driven this country from a wonderful place, to a prime example of the crumbling of western civilization. We carpet bombed germany, civilian populations as well as military during ww2. We firebombed tokyo, a paper city, in ww2. We dropped two atomic bombs in ww2 on japanese civilian populaces. War is brutal my man, and to win you have to be more brutal than the other side. You do not get a surrender by firing nerf arrows at people, and hitting them with feather pillows. You my friend may want world peace, and no violence, but the only way you get peace is at the end of a gun. The very liberty you have at this moment to write your dissention is paid for by our people who are willing to sacrafice for you right now in that no account land called Iraq. You want everyone here carrying a gun, looking over their shoulder 24/7? You want to live like the israelis? We chose our battlefield for better or worse, and so far we (the civilian population) have reaped the benefits of having our troops over there. Withdraw our troops, leave the vaccuum, and see what happens. The time of our future is now, survival of our way of life is at stake and nothing less.



And I am sorry to say this is the brainwashing of our people at it's best right here. Sorry Rob. This is what your illustrious baby shrub wanted you to believe and you believe it.

It is unfortunate that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, neither did Saddam have anything to do with al qaeda, none of the bombers were from Iraq, Saddam has never struck us on our soil, saddam paid for 9/11 with his life, bin laden is not even a target anymore, we were in saudi arabia when bin laden perpetrated his crime from there but occupation of iraq was somehow a logical conclusion, etc......

It is all crapola.

Where the hell is the perpetrator of 9/11???? Why do we have saddam and no bin laden? Bin laden did it, right???? How does saddam and bin laden equal each other? Where is the perpetrator of the greatest crime on our soil? Why have we not been vindicated for 9/11?


Did you even bother to read my post before you decided to respond? where in there did I make that claim?


Brainwashing of the illustrious baby shrub:

All terrorist are arabic in background
Iraq was the homeland of terrorism for the "war on terror"
Saddam was a better target than bin laden
Saddam had weapons of mass destruction
Iraq had connections to al qaeda
Fighting the war on terror in Iraq was better than fighting it here on our home soil
Iraq being out of Saddams control will eliminate terrorism in the world
We are the great democricizers of the world and should democricize Iraq
We have not had a new terrorist attack because of the war in Iraq
ETC..........

All of it bull......all of it sucked right down by the American people.

If we were going to embark on a war on terror, as terror is worldwide we would have utilized the UN and would have gotten many nations with us and we would have fought terror as it really is worldwide.

If we were vindicating 9/11, bin laden would have been our primary target from day one and not Saddam

How the hell does the war over there stop an attack here especially since the terrorists who perpetrated the crime were not from Iraq nor were they in Iraq when they perpetrated the crime?

I am tired now and am going to bed but there is much much more on this subject.

We have been bamboozled and we should be mad as hell about it. Not perpetrating the same brainwashing that we were fed to illegally war with Iraq.



it seems to me as if you have been brainwashed by your own beliefs, and that of the liberal media. ou still stunned from Kerry losing?


laugh I do not consider myself a liberal so I am not sure how to take that and I did not like Kerry much so no I was not surprised he lost.

lady you might not consider yourself liberal, but you lean so far to the left when you walk your knuckles drag the ground. That is not a dig, it is the obvious truth. Sorry

madisonman's photo
Mon 02/25/08 03:07 PM




You think there have been no more attacks on our soil because of homeland security, lol? What is closer, u.s. soil, or middle eastern soil for them? The liberal mindset is one that has driven this country from a wonderful place, to a prime example of the crumbling of western civilization. We carpet bombed germany, civilian populations as well as military during ww2. We firebombed tokyo, a paper city, in ww2. We dropped two atomic bombs in ww2 on japanese civilian populaces. War is brutal my man, and to win you have to be more brutal than the other side. You do not get a surrender by firing nerf arrows at people, and hitting them with feather pillows. You my friend may want world peace, and no violence, but the only way you get peace is at the end of a gun. The very liberty you have at this moment to write your dissention is paid for by our people who are willing to sacrafice for you right now in that no account land called Iraq. You want everyone here carrying a gun, looking over their shoulder 24/7? You want to live like the israelis? We chose our battlefield for better or worse, and so far we (the civilian population) have reaped the benefits of having our troops over there. Withdraw our troops, leave the vaccuum, and see what happens. The time of our future is now, survival of our way of life is at stake and nothing less.



And I am sorry to say this is the brainwashing of our people at it's best right here. Sorry Rob. This is what your illustrious baby shrub wanted you to believe and you believe it.

It is unfortunate that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, neither did Saddam have anything to do with al qaeda, none of the bombers were from Iraq, Saddam has never struck us on our soil, saddam paid for 9/11 with his life, bin laden is not even a target anymore, we were in saudi arabia when bin laden perpetrated his crime from there but occupation of iraq was somehow a logical conclusion, etc......

It is all crapola.

Where the hell is the perpetrator of 9/11???? Why do we have saddam and no bin laden? Bin laden did it, right???? How does saddam and bin laden equal each other? Where is the perpetrator of the greatest crime on our soil? Why have we not been vindicated for 9/11?


Did you even bother to read my post before you decided to respond? where in there did I make that claim?


Brainwashing of the illustrious baby shrub:

All terrorist are arabic in background
Iraq was the homeland of terrorism for the "war on terror"
Saddam was a better target than bin laden
Saddam had weapons of mass destruction
Iraq had connections to al qaeda
Fighting the war on terror in Iraq was better than fighting it here on our home soil
Iraq being out of Saddams control will eliminate terrorism in the world
We are the great democricizers of the world and should democricize Iraq
We have not had a new terrorist attack because of the war in Iraq
ETC..........

All of it bull......all of it sucked right down by the American people.

If we were going to embark on a war on terror, as terror is worldwide we would have utilized the UN and would have gotten many nations with us and we would have fought terror as it really is worldwide.

If we were vindicating 9/11, bin laden would have been our primary target from day one and not Saddam

How the hell does the war over there stop an attack here especially since the terrorists who perpetrated the crime were not from Iraq nor were they in Iraq when they perpetrated the crime?

I am tired now and am going to bed but there is much much more on this subject.

We have been bamboozled and we should be mad as hell about it. Not perpetrating the same brainwashing that we were fed to illegally war with Iraq.

drinker flowerforyou

no photo
Mon 02/25/08 04:29 PM
this illegal war....... why is it illegal? I see this phrase thrown around all the time by the liberal commies.... but theres no facts to back it up. if you say it enough times will it become true? not gonna work if thats your strategy.

madisonman's photo
Mon 02/25/08 04:34 PM

this illegal war....... why is it illegal? I see this phrase thrown around all the time by the liberal commies.... but theres no facts to back it up. if you say it enough times will it become true? not gonna work if thats your strategy.
How does liberalism differ from socialism?
There are important and fundamental differences between socialism and liberalism. When critics attempt to slander liberals by calling them "socialists," liberals should immediately challenge them to define the difference between liberalism and socialism. If they cannot, or continue to claim that they are the same, liberals should then chide them for being novices in political science, unable to define even the most basic terms of the debate.

Socialism means that workers, not private owners, would own and control the means of production: factories, farmland, machinery, and so on. In democratic elections, workers would vote for 1) their supervisors, 2) their representatives to a local and national council of their industry or service, and 3) their representatives to a central congress representing all the industries and services. Socialism has been proposed in many forms, ranging from republics to direct democracies, from centralized state bureaucracies to free market anarchy. Political scientists do not view the "socialism" nominally practiced by the Soviet Union as true socialism -- this was, essentially, a dictatorship over workers by a ruling elite.

By comparison, liberals believe that private owners should own and control the means of production, formulate company policy, and have the right to select their own management team. Liberals would prevent them from abusing their powers through checks and balances like strong labor unions and democratic government.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/ShortFAQ.htm#socialism

no photo
Mon 02/25/08 04:36 PM


this illegal war....... why is it illegal? I see this phrase thrown around all the time by the liberal commies.... but theres no facts to back it up. if you say it enough times will it become true? not gonna work if thats your strategy.
How does liberalism differ from socialism?
There are important and fundamental differences between socialism and liberalism. When critics attempt to slander liberals by calling them "socialists," liberals should immediately challenge them to define the difference between liberalism and socialism. If they cannot, or continue to claim that they are the same, liberals should then chide them for being novices in political science, unable to define even the most basic terms of the debate.

Socialism means that workers, not private owners, would own and control the means of production: factories, farmland, machinery, and so on. In democratic elections, workers would vote for 1) their supervisors, 2) their representatives to a local and national council of their industry or service, and 3) their representatives to a central congress representing all the industries and services. Socialism has been proposed in many forms, ranging from republics to direct democracies, from centralized state bureaucracies to free market anarchy. Political scientists do not view the "socialism" nominally practiced by the Soviet Union as true socialism -- this was, essentially, a dictatorship over workers by a ruling elite.

By comparison, liberals believe that private owners should own and control the means of production, formulate company policy, and have the right to select their own management team. Liberals would prevent them from abusing their powers through checks and balances like strong labor unions and democratic government.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/ShortFAQ.htm#socialism


why don't you ever post or respond to anything in your own words...noway

no photo
Mon 02/25/08 04:36 PM
Edited by rambill79 on Mon 02/25/08 04:39 PM
nice speech..... is a wood duck not a duck because its not a mallard? come on, comerade. your a closet commie and dont even know it. Thats the most dangerous kind by the way.
LOOK AT THE TEN PLANKS OF THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO, compare notes with your liberal dogma, draw your own conclusions and get back to us on this one.

i noticed you sidestepped my why is this war illegal question.....

madisonman's photo
Mon 02/25/08 04:46 PM

nice speech..... is a wood duck not a duck because its not a mallard? come on, comerade. your a closet commie and dont even know it. Thats the most dangerous kind by the way.
LOOK AT THE TEN PLANKS OF THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO, compare notes with your liberal dogma, draw your own conclusions and get back to us on this one.

i noticed you sidestepped my why is this war illegal question.....
I normaly do not respond to those wo\ho do not know the differance between a liberal and a communist. It is a waste of my time

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Mon 02/25/08 04:47 PM

why don't you ever post or respond to anything in your own words...noway
Either this is a rhetorical question, or you just ain't too bright N_yanke...

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Mon 02/25/08 04:51 PM


why don't you ever post or respond to anything in your own words...noway
Either this is a rhetorical question, or you just ain't too bright N_yanke...


if I have a choice I'll go with rhetorical...glasses

no photo
Mon 02/25/08 04:56 PM
Edited by rambill79 on Mon 02/25/08 04:58 PM
madman.... CHECK
OUT
THE
TEN
PLANKS
OF
THE
COMMUNIST
MANIFESTO
BEFORE
EMBARASSING
YOURSELF
ANY
FURTHER
THAN
YOU
ALREADY
HAVE
IF
YOU
CAN
STAND
IT
PLEASE
FOR
YOUR
OWN
GOOD.
I CANT make it any plainer than that. hello?
liberalism is a type of communism. DEAL WITH IT.









no photo
Mon 02/25/08 05:00 PM
Edited by rambill79 on Mon 02/25/08 05:06 PM
GARDEN... you might have just uncovered the big truth there. sounds like liberalism 101 to me. its a prerequsite to any college ive seen yet.
my sisters kid, after one semester at a prestegous college, was a vegitarian, wanted to ship all our jobs overseas for a variety of reasons, was against gun ownership except for the police.... ect. ect. ect. Her father wont pay for any more of her indoctrination after seeing the results.
( they are filthy rich, highly sucessful business people, who know what it takes to get ahead in this world fyi.)

madisonman's photo
Mon 02/25/08 05:01 PM

madman.... CHECK
OUT
THE
TEN
PLANKS
OF
THE
COMMUNIST
MANIFESTO
BEFORE
EMBARASSING
YOURSELF
ANY
FURTHER
THAN
YOU
ALREADY
HAVE
IF
YOU
CAN
STAND
IT
PLEASE
FOR
YOUR
OWN
GOOD.
I CANT make it any plainer than that. hello?
liberalism is a type of communism. DEAL WITH IT.








How does liberalism differ from socialism?
There are important and fundamental differences between socialism and liberalism. When critics attempt to slander liberals by calling them "socialists," liberals should immediately challenge them to define the difference between liberalism and socialism. If they cannot, or continue to claim that they are the same, liberals should then chide them for being novices in political science, unable to define even the most basic terms of the debate.

Socialism means that workers, not private owners, would own and control the means of production: factories, farmland, machinery, and so on. In democratic elections, workers would vote for 1) their supervisors, 2) their representatives to a local and national council of their industry or service, and 3) their representatives to a central congress representing all the industries and services. Socialism has been proposed in many forms, ranging from republics to direct democracies, from centralized state bureaucracies to free market anarchy. Political scientists do not view the "socialism" nominally practiced by the Soviet Union as true socialism -- this was, essentially, a dictatorship over workers by a ruling elite.

By comparison, liberals believe that private owners should own and control the means of production, formulate company policy, and have the right to select their own management team. Liberals would prevent them from abusing their powers through checks and balances like strong labor unions and democratic government.
laugh

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Mon 02/25/08 05:02 PM
^^^...that proves me right Jistme...laugh





why don't you ever post or respond to anything in your own words...noway
Either this is a rhetorical question, or you just ain't too bright N_yanke...


if I have a choice I'll go with rhetorical...glasses

no photo
Mon 02/25/08 05:07 PM
madman. since your the master of the cut and paste, i challenge you to post the ten planks. lets see. waiting....
oh and about this illegal war... WHY?

Single_Rob's photo
Mon 02/25/08 05:09 PM
Well this brainwashed hick is going to refrain from involvement with anymore threads posted by this individual. To not even argue your point in your own words must be a terrible fate to suffer indeed. Bandwagon jumpers are a dime a dozen, and if you feel passionately about something, as you claim to, you should be able to spell it out in your own terms, and quite relying on the rhetoric of another. Just my $.02.

no photo
Mon 02/25/08 05:18 PM
I BASE MY OPINION ON VERIFIABLE FACTS, NOT EMOTIONS. libs/ commies like madman are afemminate..... ruled by thier emotions. Ive given him a simple way to research for himself this issue of libs being commies....by reading the ten planks of the communist manifesto.... or better yet the whole book, also the issue of the war, by talking to the only direct source that you and i have... the veterans....
dont know what else i can do to enlighten the confused man, who is doing the work of the enemy for them......

no photo
Mon 02/25/08 05:22 PM
yah the libs/ commies are for private ownership on paper.... but in reality they make it impossible to own anything by over taxation, shipping our jobs overseas, over regulation and govt in our face in every aspect of our lives... ect. ect. ect. so in this example we can see that actions are far different than the retoric.