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Topic: The un-religion religion:)
Dragoness's photo
Sun 02/24/08 12:39 PM
I have been looking at what would be the perfect religion and I think I may be onto something. Check it out:

The recommendations are as follows:

There will not be a heaven or hell due to the judgemental and condescending attitude this creates in the religious.

There will not be one book of worship to be held in higher standards than all others. Reading all books of worship/or not of worship and deciphering for oneself the personal enlightenment of each will be highly recommended but not a requirement.

There will be no assumptions that this religion is the moral and ethical control of the nation. Believing all people should actually use their own brain for a point of reference for morality. The main concern recommended here will be to not harm others mentally, emotionally or physically.

There will not be a punitive god represented here. Any and all gods of this religion will be loving and supportive of it's followers. Of course, no god is required for this religion. All who choose to have one will not utilize their god to condescend or judge others who choose not to have a god as their idol.

There will not be a preacher as all who are members bring with them their own unique and interesting perspectives so all will be the teachers and the students.

There will not be collections as this religion will consist of those who help themselves and others at their own discretion and we do not want a "business" of bilking people to ever become an issue.

This will be a free religion that frees the mind to discover it's own soul and creative ability.

Again all are free to join, share and express the wonders of humanity and the world we live in.

What do you think people? Sound good?bigsmile

ginabeena's photo
Sun 02/24/08 12:45 PM
huh No it doesnt sound good. That would never work because there's not enough structure.grumble

Dragoness's photo
Sun 02/24/08 12:50 PM

huh No it doesnt sound good. That would never work because there's not enough structure.grumble


Thank you for your opinionflowerforyou Why do religions need that much structure?

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Sun 02/24/08 01:02 PM
If you plan on having people in this religion... You forgot to figure in the human condition.

This is going off the assumption that Churches and Religions were designed to do bad, as a result of you seeing Churches do bad things.

Actually.. Is it so off base to ponder, that Churches and Religions came to be, to do good things? We just see people do bad things.

No matter what the organization is.. Church, Business, Club, whatever.. As soon as there in more then 1 person involved.. The influences of greed, power and every other means of corruption increase exponentially.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 02/24/08 01:10 PM

If you plan on having people in this religion... You forgot to figure in the human condition.

This is going off the assumption that Churches and Religions were designed to do bad, as a result of you seeing Churches do bad things.

Actually.. Is it so off base to ponder, that Churches and Religions came to be, to do good things? We just see people do bad things.

No matter what the organization is.. Church, Business, Club, whatever.. As soon as there in more then 1 person involved.. The influences of greed, power and every other means of corruption increase exponentially.


I do agree with you, that basically churches or religions initial intention was good. I also agree that the human equation is always there. I want a religion free of the judgementalness and having to think I am superior to others because of my religion so instituting the OP would remove these from the religion, right?

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Sun 02/24/08 01:43 PM
Edited by Jistme on Sun 02/24/08 01:43 PM

I want a religion free of the judgementalness and having to think I am superior to others because of my religion so instituting the OP would remove these from the religion, right?


Well sure ya do.. As I'm sure that those who started Churches before, did...
What makes you think that your Church would be immune? Probably the same things that those before you thought?

Your Churches mission would start to erode about the same time you took on a second member..and get worse as your congregation expands.

In my opinion? You would be much better off joining a present group that meets your beliefs... and changing it from within..by example.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 02/24/08 01:50 PM


I want a religion free of the judgementalness and having to think I am superior to others because of my religion so instituting the OP would remove these from the religion, right?


Well sure ya do.. As I'm sure that those who started Churches before, did...
What makes you think that your Church would be immune? Probably the same things that those before you thought?

Your Churches mission would start to erode about the same time you took on a second member..and get worse as your congregation expands.

In my opinion? You would be much better off joining a present group that meets your beliefs... and changing it from within..by example.


Well the "by example" part is already in play but I have not found a religion yet that meets the critieria. So I thought if I created one then I could have it "my way"...lol just being silly there. Seriously though, modern religions teach superiority and extreme prejudice and I find it appallingnoway

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Sun 02/24/08 01:58 PM

Seriously though, modern religions teach superiority and extreme prejudice and I find it appalling.


I do too.. but I think differently on it.

People teach superiority and extreme prejudice. Religion? It is not sentient, none thinking, not even something you can touch, see or smell... It is incapable of teaching. So placing blame on it, if I was into placing blame? Would be misplaced.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 02/24/08 02:08 PM


Seriously though, modern religions teach superiority and extreme prejudice and I find it appalling.


I do too.. but I think differently on it.

People teach superiority and extreme prejudice. Religion? It is not sentient, none thinking, not even something you can touch, see or smell... It is incapable of teaching. So placing blame on it, if I was into placing blame? Would be misplaced.


Okay, point taken, people not religion are the base of the problem but religion is used as the weapon of choice in which to perpetrate their superiority and judgement onto others. Taken with this in mind then and utilizing the OP should then eliminate the problem, maybe?

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Sun 02/24/08 02:36 PM
I must give you credit for optimism!

How will you keep the greedy and power hungry out.. if all are free to join?

Jess642's photo
Sun 02/24/08 02:42 PM
Can't I just be me? Do I HAVE to fit, do I HAVE to have a typecast? Can't I please just not have to be anything, but the job at hand?

..Which is doing the best I can everyday..?

flowerforyou

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Sun 02/24/08 02:58 PM

Can't I just be me? Do I HAVE to fit, do I HAVE to have a typecast? Can't I please just not have to be anything, but the job at hand?


Yup.. and oddly.. You and Dragon are on the same page. Only you aren't taking members.

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Sun 02/24/08 03:37 PM
That's just asking for total chaios; no laws, no moral standards. I think this is already in place called 'satanism' or 'self centerdness'. Stealing, killing and destroying most common. So sorry you are unable to find a religion of your liking; maybe pride is a factor.
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Sun 02/24/08 03:46 PM
I guess I just ascribe a bad connotation to the term "religion." I don't need a god, I don't need to be saved from anything, I don't need a heaven or a hell or angels or devils, I don't have any need to base my thoughts and actions on old books of fairy tales. I don't need any of that. I don't see any point in dealing with the concept of religion at all, in any way, shape, or form. There is more than enough to deal with, in real life, without cluttering things up with ancient mythologies.

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Sun 02/24/08 04:00 PM

That's just asking for total chaios; no laws, no moral standards. I think this is already in place called 'satanism' or 'self centerdness'. Stealing, killing and destroying most common. So sorry you are unable to find a religion of your liking; maybe pride is a factor.
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People who need religion to behave themselves are pretty pathetic don’t you think?

Do you think heaven is full of people who would love to rape, murder and pillage, but have simply restrained their true desire to do these things just to avoid punishment and seek a reward?

Imagine how pleased God must be with those of us who actually prefer to live truly loving caring lives without any thought about being rewarded for it.

There must be a religion for genuinely loving people who are pure of heart. We can’t assume that everyone lusts for evil. That simply isn’t true, and we have proof of this throughout all of humanity. Any religion that claims that all men are inherently evil is clearly a false religion. It just isn’t true and we know this for a fact from history.

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Sun 02/24/08 04:03 PM

Can't I just be me? Do I HAVE to fit, do I HAVE to have a typecast? Can't I please just not have to be anything, but the job at hand?

..Which is doing the best I can everyday..?

flowerforyou


Agreedflowerforyou

Dragoness's photo
Sun 02/24/08 04:05 PM

I must give you credit for optimism!

How will you keep the greedy and power hungry out.. if all are free to join?


I am hoping that the framework will not be appealing to the power hungry as there is little to no controlling mechanism for one to control others

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Sun 02/24/08 04:06 PM
Edited by Jistme on Sun 02/24/08 04:07 PM

That's just asking for total chaios; no laws, no moral standards. I think this is already in place called 'satanism' or 'self centerdness'. Stealing, killing and destroying most common. So sorry you are unable to find a religion of your liking; maybe pride is a factor.
:tongue:


Easy there tomie...
You aren't scoring any points for your side.
Just because someone does not have a belief does not mean they have no moral compass. Does not mean they are self centered or are 'Evil Doers'~To borrow a Bushism~

Just as... Someone who does believe, does not mean they have a moral compass, are selfless and a benefit to all mankind.

If anything...Your statement speaks loudly of your ability to stand in judgement of things you don't identify with....
Which tends to be very contrary to any monotheistic religion I know of.

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Sun 02/24/08 04:29 PM

That's just asking for total chaios; no laws, no moral standards. I think this is already in place called 'satanism' or 'self centerdness'. Stealing, killing and destroying most common. So sorry you are unable to find a religion of your liking; maybe pride is a factor.
:tongue:


Thanks for your opinion but I disagree vehemently. At no level did I say there was to be killing and such and one of the recommendations is that no living thing is hurt. So that does not fit my ideal here at all. No morals was not a suggestion either as I said each person should listen to their own mind on morality given the recommendation of hurting no living things.

Pride in what? Pride in that fact that I live by not hurting any living thing and try to have no judgements of others? Well if that is pride then I guess I have it then.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 02/24/08 04:41 PM

I guess I just ascribe a bad connotation to the term "religion." I don't need a god, I don't need to be saved from anything, I don't need a heaven or a hell or angels or devils, I don't have any need to base my thoughts and actions on old books of fairy tales. I don't need any of that. I don't see any point in dealing with the concept of religion at all, in any way, shape, or form. There is more than enough to deal with, in real life, without cluttering things up with ancient mythologies.

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Understood Lexflowerforyou

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