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Topic: The Motivation??
littleredhen Joined Sat 01/12/08 Posts: 6837	Sat 02/16/08 09:52 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/20/israelandthepalestinians.oil Intresting read. I do noticed that they quote CIA & U.S. Intelligence sources. Are the believable? They did get the whole Iraq WMD analysis wrong, didn't they? I don't believe anyone, but I try to read all I can & somewhere a glimmer of the truth may come through.

wyatt1844 Joined Sat 01/26/08 Posts: 6761	Sat 02/16/08 09:53 PM
Of course they had WMD, we sold them that sh*t! Actually, we sold them convetional military hardware. The means for making WMD's were bought from other countries.

littleredhen Joined Sat 01/12/08 Posts: 6837	Sat 02/16/08 09:56 PM
Of course they had WMD, we sold them that sh*t! yep we've been stirring things up over there for decades

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Sat 02/16/08 09:56 PM Edited by madisonman on Sat 02/16/08 09:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o ****warning some strong language

wyatt1844 Joined Sat 01/26/08 Posts: 6761	Sat 02/16/08 10:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o ****warning some strong language If I saw the correct clip, that was not the question. They lied about WMD's - got it. But why?

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Sun 02/17/08 07:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o ****warning some strong language If I saw the correct clip, that was not the question. They lied about WMD's - got it. But why? I realy cant be certain why, I have heard most of the world had grown weary of the UN sanctions and saddam was about to be let out of his box in that regard. I had also read that when that did happen he would no longer trade his oil in dollars and was looking at the Euro. now after all the sanctions and the war america couldnt handel a saddam with a grudge against us. but whatever the reasone the war has been a disaster for america, gas prices at over 3 bucks a gallon has taken a major toll on the economy,whatever the reasone I think it has backfired in a major way

Starsailor2851 Joined Mon 07/02/07 Posts: 1430	Sun 02/17/08 07:49 AM
Post 9/11 world, tired of pesky dictators who have shown offensive aggression with dangerous weapons (firing scuds into Israel and Kuwait), are not military power anymore, and truly believed he was sitting on WMD. All Intelligence Services did, even the UN believed he was hiding something and may have WMD. Do remember directly before the invasion the UN finally discovered missiles that had not been shown to them before. These missiles reached very long distances, further than the UN even believed Iraq had in its capabilities. Also, why in the heck did the UN ALLOW Iraq to store uranium? And, a small percentage of the 500 tons, was enriched. The UN are full of idiots. As well, do remember that one of the masterminds behind the first World Trade Center bombing was Ramzi Yousef, an Iraqi national. He was given safe passage and harboring in Iraq when he got out of the US after the attack. I have no doubt his place in Iraq and other terrorists, even if they were not run by Saddam, was a key factor. There were Kurd terror camps in the north that the Turks were getting really antsy about. And, we knew they were there and had no idea if there were more elsewhere in the country and not all were Kurd terrorists. Some had argued that after 9/11 the Turks were going to seriously crackdown and hit the Kurdish terror areas hard and it was a factor to our entry because of the possibilities of what a Turk 'invasion' would do in the area. We opened a floodgate now and haven't been able to fully clamp down on Turkey, but the attacks have slowed in recent times. Actually, both Iran and Turkey have dealt with PKK for a long time. The Turks had bombings after bombings, thousands were killed during the '80s and '90s because of the PKK. In the post 9/11 world they believed they could use such to invade, sounds like what we did in Afghanistan, right? Honestly, they did have a right to do something, the UN was doing nothing and Saddam surely wasn't trying to stop the PKK. Anyways, I could go on and on, but I just want to make the point that there are many many many factors behind the whole conflict and Iraq in general.

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Sun 02/17/08 11:09 AM
Post 9/11 world, tired of pesky dictators who have shown offensive aggression with dangerous weapons (firing scuds into Israel and Kuwait), are not military power anymore, and truly believed he was sitting on WMD. All Intelligence Services did, even the UN believed he was hiding something and may have WMD. Do remember directly before the invasion the UN finally discovered missiles that had not been shown to them before. These missiles reached very long distances, further than the UN even believed Iraq had in its capabilities. Also, why in the heck did the UN ALLOW Iraq to store uranium? And, a small percentage of the 500 tons, was enriched. The UN are full of idiots. As well, do remember that one of the masterminds behind the first World Trade Center bombing was Ramzi Yousef, an Iraqi national. He was given safe passage and harboring in Iraq when he got out of the US after the attack. I have no doubt his place in Iraq and other terrorists, even if they were not run by Saddam, was a key factor. There were Kurd terror camps in the north that the Turks were getting really antsy about. And, we knew they were there and had no idea if there were more elsewhere in the country and not all were Kurd terrorists. Some had argued that after 9/11 the Turks were going to seriously crackdown and hit the Kurdish terror areas hard and it was a factor to our entry because of the possibilities of what a Turk 'invasion' would do in the area. We opened a floodgate now and haven't been able to fully clamp down on Turkey, but the attacks have slowed in recent times. Actually, both Iran and Turkey have dealt with PKK for a long time. The Turks had bombings after bombings, thousands were killed during the '80s and '90s because of the PKK. In the post 9/11 world they believed they could use such to invade, sounds like what we did in Afghanistan, right? Honestly, they did have a right to do something, the UN was doing nothing and Saddam surely wasn't trying to stop the PKK. Anyways, I could go on and on, but I just want to make the point that there are many many many factors behind the whole conflict and Iraq in general. Ramzi Yousef? starsailor you do live in a world all your own and havent much of a clue on anything......lets take a minute to remember saddam's government was bathist and opposed to radical fundamentalism and was considered an enemy by Bin Ladens alquida, I wll grant that he perhapse snuck into Iraq at one point, probly to stir up things against Saddam, but he was never there with the approval of anyone in The Iraqi government. BUt this is probly a good time to remind you that america is the only country ever tried and found guilty by the world court for state sponcored terrorism

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Sun 02/17/08 11:15 AM
In late 1992, Yousef entered the country with a fake Iraqi passport and asked for asylum. His traveling companion was arrested immediately when a search of his luggage revealed bomb-making manuals. Because the INS holding cells were overcrowded, Yousef was released with instructions to come back a month later for a hearing. D'oh! Yousef traveled around New York and New Jersey, immediately contacting a cell of Islamic Jihad operatives loyal to the notorious blind Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, a controversial extremist Muslim preacher who had been granted entree to the country by the CIA (which had hoped to befriend him). D'oh! D'oh! Ok so this guy was in america at one point does that imply that amrica habors and aids terrorist? Oh by the way we do harbor our own terrorists but that is a topic for another thread

smo Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 496	Sun 02/17/08 07:49 PM
Motivation?? #1 Zionism(favor Israel above America) Israel needs our soldiers to do their dirty work. They don't have many soldiers, so Let's you(US) and Him (Arabs(Fight for us(Israel) And we(Israel) will stand back and watch!! And once in a while we(Israel) will shoot another missile(roadside bomb)to keep this thing fired up. You better think again on this one!! Israel desperately wants that One WORLD ORDER, but it will probably never happen , Too many of us are onto them, including Russia and China and Most of Europe, and most all the so called 3 rd world countries. The GIG is up , but it is just that Zionists have not admitted it yet, PLUS they are a suicidal bunch: If they can;t have it(One World Order), then try to destroy it so no one else can have it either(SATANISTS) (TALMUDISTS) HEY< YOU need to look some of that stuff up in their Talmud.They hate CHRISTIANS.. yes,the Motivation is Zionism,Satanism,and Talmudism. It is their religion that motivates them.

wyatt1844 Joined Sat 01/26/08 Posts: 6761	Sun 02/17/08 07:56 PM
Since that many believe that the NWO and OWG will spring out of what we currently call the UN, all of Europe, Russia, and China love the UN. The two countries that have the most disagreement with the UN is Isreal and the US. So is this opposing One World Governments at work?

Shaden Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 6118	Sun 02/17/08 07:58 PM
Of course they had WMD, we sold them that sh*t! I may have phrased it differently, but that we did.

wyatt1844 Joined Sat 01/26/08 Posts: 6761	Sun 02/17/08 08:01 PM
Of course they had WMD, we sold them that sh*t! Actually, we sold them conventional military hardware. The means for making WMD's were bought from other countries.

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sun 02/17/08 08:29 PM
Human rights for one... you should put this one in the joke section its awesome

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sun 02/17/08 08:33 PM
Absolutely, I heard of Haliburton way before Iraq or 9/11. They are tops in thier field in designing and maintaining petroleum facilities. And getting contracts from the US government without having to Bid for them I'm so glad that my tax dollars were not put through that wasteful bidding process.

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sun 02/17/08 08:35 PM
Since that many believe that the NWO and OWG will spring out of what we currently call the UN, all of Europe, Russia, and China love the UN. The two countries that have the most disagreement with the UN is Isreal and the US. So is this opposing One World Governments at work? Ok time to stop mixing the tequila with the cold medicine.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sun 02/17/08 08:42 PM
the intelligence WAS wrong for one. also, the administration was not honest imo. the real motivation was to eliminate the influence of Saddam whose oil money was being used to fund terrorists - in Israel and could just as easily be funneled to anti-US terrorists. the threat was a clear and present danger. it was fear that these oil revenues could be so easily used by Saddam to attack the US. this was not paranoia. however, the WMD excuse was trotted out because it lent the required air of immediacy - disingenuously.

wyatt1844 Joined Sat 01/26/08 Posts: 6761	Sun 02/17/08 08:45 PM
Absolutely, I heard of Haliburton way before Iraq or 9/11. They are tops in thier field in designing and maintaining petroleum facilities. And getting contracts from the US government without having to Bid for them I'm so glad that my tax dollars were not put through that wasteful bidding process. Right, so we are going to take away contracts from those who specailize in that field, and give it to who?? Ben & Jerry??

wyatt1844 Joined Sat 01/26/08 Posts: 6761	Sun 02/17/08 08:48 PM
Since that many believe that the NWO and OWG will spring out of what we currently call the UN, all of Europe, Russia, and China love the UN. The two countries that have the most disagreement with the UN is Isreal and the US. So is this opposing One World Governments at work? Ok time to stop mixing the tequila with the cold medicine. I don't have a cold and I don't drink. And posting that response here is taking it out of context because it was a response to a post in another thread.

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sun 02/17/08 09:02 PM
Absolutely, I heard of Haliburton way before Iraq or 9/11. They are tops in thier field in designing and maintaining petroleum facilities. And getting contracts from the US government without having to Bid for them I'm so glad that my tax dollars were not put through that wasteful bidding process. Right, so we are going to take away contracts from those who specailize in that field, and give it to who?? Ben & Jerry?? Your right no need to have anyone bid for anything. Just let the Government see who they think is the best specialist in the field. The Government is great at that. Like I say I am glad my tax dollars were not wasted with the bidding process. Just as good as the Republican medicare B No Bid contracts. They are so useful when funneling money from the little guy to the Big.