Topic: public speaking in '08
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Tue 02/05/08 08:21 PM


not that Im a Clinton fan but I dont think you have to be a great speaker to be a great leader...Im sometimes skeptical of the charismatic types lol....I mean think about it most cult leader have a great ability to move a crowd...


they are not talking about her speaking ability.....she is programed...cold calculated...she has no compassion for what she speaks.....She does not win your faith or trust....She is defensive...without a convincing debate....not what I want running my country.....



cold & calculated? a strong woman often comes across in that way. the minute she shows any emotion, they pick on her (the media). For instance, during one debate, she said, "that hurt my feelings, Obama." (when he referred to her as being unlikeable or likeable enough)

what he said was very cold, yet the media focused on her "whine"

anything she does is going to get scrutinized more so than the very same action from a male

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Tue 02/05/08 08:21 PM


I agree with you soxfan......Clinton is just.....well.....Clinton. We need a change in the White House and I think Obama is it. I'm a Republican but, I actually do see a good change with Obama in the House. We do need a change. If Hillary got in we'd see 4 generations of the same people..... 2 Bushs and 2 Clintons. We need someone who won't cry and crack under pressure and I think Obama is the man!!!!drinker drinker
are you saying that because Hillary is female she would crack and cry under pressure ?? you men have no idea of the pressure that woman deal with on a day to day basis = not only do I have to be the breadwinner of my house I also have to keep it spotless and look like a freaking porn star while I do it - or so general population seems to think ... Come on
Shoes....I didn't mean it like that....:smile:

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Tue 02/05/08 08:22 PM



I agree with you soxfan......Clinton is just.....well.....Clinton. We need a change in the White House and I think Obama is it. I'm a Republican but, I actually do see a good change with Obama in the House. We do need a change. If Hillary got in we'd see 4 generations of the same people..... 2 Bushs and 2 Clintons. We need someone who won't cry and crack under pressure and I think Obama is the man!!!!drinker drinker
are you saying that because Hillary is female she would crack and cry under pressure ?? you men have no idea of the pressure that woman deal with on a day to day basis = not only do I have to be the breadwinner of my house I also have to keep it spotless and look like a freaking porn star while I do it - or so general population seems to think ... Come on
Shoes....I didn't mean it like that....:smile:
okay but if you want pressure try running after a small child heading for traffic in 4 inch stilletos glasses

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Tue 02/05/08 08:24 PM


cold & calculated? a strong woman often comes across in that way. the minute she shows any emotion, they pick on her (the media). For instance, during one debate, she said, "that hurt my feelings, Obama." (when he referred to her as being unlikeable or likeable enough)

what he said was very cold, yet the media focused on her "whine"

anything she does is going to get scrutinized more so than the very same action from a male


Personally, I'm not speaking at all about the substance of what she is saying, but the style with which she is saying it. She has terrible inflection and seems to need to force herself to become emotional when she is at a dramatic point. She is almost always looking down and reading a pre-prepared statement. I like Obama because he is more often than not speaking off the cuff and doing it well and intelligently

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Tue 02/05/08 08:25 PM

okay but if you want pressure try running after a small child heading for traffic in 4 inch stilletos glasses


<-- Imagining trying_to_fly in stilettos...laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Tue 02/05/08 08:26 PM



not that Im a Clinton fan but I dont think you have to be a great speaker to be a great leader...Im sometimes skeptical of the charismatic types lol....I mean think about it most cult leader have a great ability to move a crowd...


they are not talking about her speaking ability.....she is programed...cold calculated...she has no compassion for what she speaks.....She does not win your faith or trust....She is defensive...without a convincing debate....not what I want running my country.....



cold & calculated? a strong woman often comes across in that way. the minute she shows any emotion, they pick on her (the media). For instance, during one debate, she said, "that hurt my feelings, Obama." (when he referred to her as being unlikeable or likeable enough)

what he said was very cold, yet the media focused on her "whine"

anything she does is going to get scrutinized more so than the very same action from a male


You want a world leader that says......that hurt my feelings.......one that whines.........she does not have what it takes....Be prepared for a debate and to support your self thouroughly with out getting upset ....She is not the woman we need to rule this country....President is the title deal with it or bow down....man or woman.......

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Tue 02/05/08 08:27 PM




I agree with you soxfan......Clinton is just.....well.....Clinton. We need a change in the White House and I think Obama is it. I'm a Republican but, I actually do see a good change with Obama in the House. We do need a change. If Hillary got in we'd see 4 generations of the same people..... 2 Bushs and 2 Clintons. We need someone who won't cry and crack under pressure and I think Obama is the man!!!!drinker drinker
are you saying that because Hillary is female she would crack and cry under pressure ?? you men have no idea of the pressure that woman deal with on a day to day basis = not only do I have to be the breadwinner of my house I also have to keep it spotless and look like a freaking porn star while I do it - or so general population seems to think ... Come on
Shoes....I didn't mean it like that....:smile:
okay but if you want pressure try running after a small child heading for traffic in 4 inch stilletos glasses
my mom did it with me as a matter of fact. She told me the story about when I was 2 and ran out in the middle of the road.......she broke her foot to save my life..... I'm not saying that Hillary won't do well because she's a woman and I can't belive that you think I would down her just cause she's a female....I'm not like that....I'm not sexist at all. If there was a female running for president and I thought she'd do a great job, I would vote for her.....

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Tue 02/05/08 08:28 PM


not that Im a Clinton fan but I dont think you have to be a great speaker to be a great leader...Im sometimes skeptical of the charismatic types lol....I mean think about it most cult leader have a great ability to move a crowd...


they are not talking about her speaking ability.....she is programed...cold calculated...she has no compassion for what she speaks.....She does not win your faith or trust....She is defensive...without a convincing debate....not what I want running my country.....

we all know none of these guys are writting their own speeches, so it doesnt matter to me who's the best actor/actress...In the long run I just want someone in there for the people..I dont think I get lol....I guess I just find it hard to trust politicians, I always feel like Im picking the lesser of two evils:smile:

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Tue 02/05/08 08:30 PM



not that Im a Clinton fan but I dont think you have to be a great speaker to be a great leader...Im sometimes skeptical of the charismatic types lol....I mean think about it most cult leader have a great ability to move a crowd...


they are not talking about her speaking ability.....she is programed...cold calculated...she has no compassion for what she speaks.....She does not win your faith or trust....She is defensive...without a convincing debate....not what I want running my country.....

we all know none of these guys are writting their own speeches, so it doesnt matter to me who's the best actor/actress...In the long run I just want someone in there for the people..I dont think I get lol....I guess I just find it hard to trust politicians, I always feel like Im picking the lesser of two evils:smile:
me too revoloution but honestly I have hope with Obama

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Tue 02/05/08 08:32 PM




not that Im a Clinton fan but I dont think you have to be a great speaker to be a great leader...Im sometimes skeptical of the charismatic types lol....I mean think about it most cult leader have a great ability to move a crowd...


they are not talking about her speaking ability.....she is programed...cold calculated...she has no compassion for what she speaks.....She does not win your faith or trust....She is defensive...without a convincing debate....not what I want running my country.....



cold & calculated? a strong woman often comes across in that way. the minute she shows any emotion, they pick on her (the media). For instance, during one debate, she said, "that hurt my feelings, Obama." (when he referred to her as being unlikeable or likeable enough)

what he said was very cold, yet the media focused on her "whine"

anything she does is going to get scrutinized more so than the very same action from a male


You want a world leader that says......that hurt my feelings.......one that whines.........she does not have what it takes....Be prepared for a debate and to support your self thouroughly with out getting upset ....She is not the woman we need to rule this country....President is the title deal with it or bow down....man or woman.......


she wasn't whining
she was teasing

and now u speak outta both sides of your mouth

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Tue 02/05/08 08:32 PM
I'm serious about Obama...watch him speak, he is far more extemporaneous than Clinton. He is able to think on his feet because he believes what he is saying, he is well versed in it, and he is extremely thoughtful and intellectual. By comparison, Clinton (as with most politicians) seems to only have canned answers that were pre-planned.

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Tue 02/05/08 08:33 PM





I agree with you soxfan......Clinton is just.....well.....Clinton. We need a change in the White House and I think Obama is it. I'm a Republican but, I actually do see a good change with Obama in the House. We do need a change. If Hillary got in we'd see 4 generations of the same people..... 2 Bushs and 2 Clintons. We need someone who won't cry and crack under pressure and I think Obama is the man!!!!drinker drinker
are you saying that because Hillary is female she would crack and cry under pressure ?? you men have no idea of the pressure that woman deal with on a day to day basis = not only do I have to be the breadwinner of my house I also have to keep it spotless and look like a freaking porn star while I do it - or so general population seems to think ... Come on
Shoes....I didn't mean it like that....:smile:
okay but if you want pressure try running after a small child heading for traffic in 4 inch stilletos glasses
my mom did it with me as a matter of fact. She told me the story about when I was 2 and ran out in the middle of the road.......she broke her foot to save my life..... I'm not saying that Hillary won't do well because she's a woman and I can't belive that you think I would down her just cause she's a female....I'm not like that....I'm not sexist at all. If there was a female running for president and I thought she'd do a great job, I would vote for her.....
sorry that i put you in the masses of pigs .. I am cranky again tonight bad shushi and men can do that to a girl .. Muahhhhh hugggles

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Tue 02/05/08 08:34 PM



cold & calculated? a strong woman often comes across in that way. the minute she shows any emotion, they pick on her (the media). For instance, during one debate, she said, "that hurt my feelings, Obama." (when he referred to her as being unlikeable or likeable enough)

what he said was very cold, yet the media focused on her "whine"

anything she does is going to get scrutinized more so than the very same action from a male


Personally, I'm not speaking at all about the substance of what she is saying, but the style with which she is saying it. She has terrible inflection and seems to need to force herself to become emotional when she is at a dramatic point. She is almost always looking down and reading a pre-prepared statement. I like Obama because he is more often than not speaking off the cuff and doing it well and intelligently


Vote for the better speaker
the one with more charm
and charisma

Look for substance not style

ideally it would be both

but honestly, how many times has Obama PREACHED a philosophy or a point of view and voted the very opposite of his great speech

too many times

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Tue 02/05/08 08:35 PM
cranky again, shoes? you need something to cheer you up methinks.

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Tue 02/05/08 08:35 PM




not that Im a Clinton fan but I dont think you have to be a great speaker to be a great leader...Im sometimes skeptical of the charismatic types lol....I mean think about it most cult leader have a great ability to move a crowd...


they are not talking about her speaking ability.....she is programed...cold calculated...she has no compassion for what she speaks.....She does not win your faith or trust....She is defensive...without a convincing debate....not what I want running my country.....



cold & calculated? a strong woman often comes across in that way. the minute she shows any emotion, they pick on her (the media). For instance, during one debate, she said, "that hurt my feelings, Obama." (when he referred to her as being unlikeable or likeable enough)

what he said was very cold, yet the media focused on her "whine"

anything she does is going to get scrutinized more so than the very same action from a male


You want a world leader that says......that hurt my feelings.......one that whines.........she does not have what it takes....Be prepared for a debate and to support your self thouroughly with out getting upset ....She is not the woman we need to rule this country....President is the title deal with it or bow down....man or woman.......
I dont mind my president showing emotion to some extent, its just a means their humanbigsmile

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Tue 02/05/08 08:37 PM


Vote for the better speaker
the one with more charm
and charisma

Look for substance not style

ideally it would be both

but honestly, how many times has Obama PREACHED a philosophy or a point of view and voted the very opposite of his great speech

too many times



Enlighten me. How many times? On what issues? I'd love to hear the number of times that he has done it and how serious those issues were. It'd also be nice to hear if there were multiple issues contained in the bill, since often the main purpose of a bill is far different than the many add-on issues which are unavoidable.
Additionally, having a comparison of Hillary Clinton's stated views versus her actual voting record would be helpful.

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Tue 02/05/08 08:40 PM

cranky again, shoes? you need something to cheer you up methinks.
nothing would cheer me up more than a severed head lol maybe I am just a cranky person ?? nahhhhh just tired tax time pressure you know LIFE .. will turn around soon it is almost spring and time to CLIMB

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Tue 02/05/08 08:42 PM
Edited by revolution on Tue 02/05/08 08:44 PM




not that Im a Clinton fan but I dont think you have to be a great speaker to be a great leader...Im sometimes skeptical of the charismatic types lol....I mean think about it most cult leader have a great ability to move a crowd...


they are not talking about her speaking ability.....she is programed...cold calculated...she has no compassion for what she speaks.....She does not win your faith or trust....She is defensive...without a convincing debate....not what I want running my country.....

we all know none of these guys are writting their own speeches, so it doesnt matter to me who's the best actor/actress...In the long run I just want someone in there for the people..I dont think I get lol....I guess I just find it hard to trust politicians, I always feel like Im picking the lesser of two evils:smile:
me too revoloution but honestly I have hope with Obama
Im not voting for Hiliary lol but if Barak gets the nomination Im going to vote for him for sure..I have to say I am a little scared just because he is very green, with some of the other canidates you know what your getting, with Barak its a gamble to me lol

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Tue 02/05/08 08:43 PM
Edited by soxfan94 on Tue 02/05/08 08:44 PM

Im not voting for Hiliary lol but if Barak gets the nomination Im going to vote for him for sure..I have to say I am a little scared just because he is a very green, with some of the other canidates you know what your getting, with Barak its a gamble to me lol


I see a bunch of candidates who I know aren't what I want. I figure a gamble on Obama is fine by me, the worst that can happen is he'll just be not waat I want, like all the others. Haha.

PS Obama is speaking on CNN now. I suggest you watch to see his speaking style.

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Tue 02/05/08 08:49 PM


Im not voting for Hiliary lol but if Barak gets the nomination Im going to vote for him for sure..I have to say I am a little scared just because he is a very green, with some of the other canidates you know what your getting, with Barak its a gamble to me lol


I see a bunch of candidates who I know aren't what I want. I figure a gamble on Obama is fine by me, the worst that can happen is he'll just be not waat I want, like all the others. Haha.

PS Obama is speaking on CNN now. I suggest you watch to see his speaking style.
I feel the same way as you my friend, Im going for the gamble this time laugh laugh happy

P.S. You want me to watch CNN while Nip Tuck is onhuh Im sure they will be playing that stuff all nightbigsmile