Zeitgeist
and
War on democracy 2007

look them up on google videos, go into it with an open mind- and be prepared to have a new prespective on your life in america.
I'm a former marine, and i love this country as much as anyone, but i feel the basic principles that we were founded upon are being twisted beyond recognition, and i'm tired of having my freinds die because of their good intentions.

watch.

Seen em both.
Very true...very true.

anyone else seen them?

i dont care if you disagree, i'm just lookin for opinions

I haven't seen them but will check it out.

Have you seen "Why we Fight"? It was another documentary.

So who would you vote for in this lousy election?

I agree 110%

Well- i might actually not be voting at all, on account of the fact that i'm gonna be going to school in the UK next year, then moving to new zealand.

BUT- if i'm going to, it'll be obama i think

He's younger, has a different attitude, and went to an islamic school from what i understand (not sure if thats true- but..i think that having an islamic president would really help our image in the middle east as opposed to them seeing out leader as the oil monger son of some rich former politician)

but hey- thats just my take on it.

anyone else?

what i really want is to wake up tommorow afternoon before work and see some valid replies to this.

excellent! why we fight i mean.

i agree- and i think its about time that these sorts of "alternative" or "radical" viewpoints on our culture were viewed on a more mainstream level.

but of course, most people would just write it off as communist/terrorist propaganda.

But- if thats the case, why is it that after watching it, i felt robbed?

I'm probably the most stereotypical american military aged male i can think of, and i'm all for democracy- but...hate to break it to you guys, but this current life we have just isnt it.