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Turtlepoet78..I hear ya bud, I worked in a shelter for homeless men in AZ,oh yeah you'd think it was the Ritz-Carlton....the mean spiritedness of this thread has me sick to my stomach... I can't believe the CRAP that comes out of people mouths...especially those who know absolutely nothing about what they are talking about...MORE GROCERIES THAN THEY NEED????? Are you F**kn serious???!!!??? Has anyone tried to live in the US without a car? I think I'll go puke now...pardon me.  That's the way of ultra conservatism, because the world is full only of doers & do nothingers..lol. Guess $10 worth of groceries is $9 more than anybody needs, I just thank god I know the truth, ignorance is no bliss to me;^] |
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Tobias, its obvious you've never been on the other end of the helping hand...I pray you never see it... Stop the war on the poor and start the war on poverty. A place to sleep, something to eat, health and education are RIGHTS, not privileges. What good is it teaching a man to fish when he cant afford the fishing pole? Ummm, there are no rights to a place to sleep, something to eat, health insurance, but education k-12 is a right. The problem is, the poor in this country aren't poor. The average poverty line family has enough income to support 30 families from a poor country. so are you saying we should ship all poverty level people to a third world country maybe you should go there just think you would be rich how absurd of an idea then they have a new poverty at a lower level lets get some realistic ideas ----------- and tobias i think your idea is a good one if the govt would let ya do it without butting in and screwing it up that is where most of the problem comes from |
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It is possible to live on minimum wage in this country. I know its hard, but if you and several other people/families move in together split up the work and share the money, it just might. It would not be a good life I know that, but if you were willing to work it is possible to move up, if you are dedicated to your work.
Has anyone ever had a relitive that would live/mooch off you for thier entire life if you let them? I mean they will never have a life that is even remotly well, but he will accept that life style, because it is easier. So what do you do? The answer is to let them make a life for them themselves. Now I know there are people out there who are in need of real help, and they deserve to get it, but most people only NEED welfare for a limited amount of time till they get back on thier feet. I know that I don't sound very compasionate, but I want what is best for these people, not what is easiest. |
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Tobias, its obvious you've never been on the other end of the helping hand...I pray you never see it... Stop the war on the poor and start the war on poverty. A place to sleep, something to eat, health and education are RIGHTS, not privileges. What good is it teaching a man to fish when he cant afford the fishing pole? Ummm, there are no rights to a place to sleep, something to eat, health insurance, but education k-12 is a right. The problem is, the poor in this country aren't poor. The average poverty line family has enough income to support 30 families from a poor country. so are you saying we should ship all poverty level people to a third world country maybe you should go there just think you would be rich how absurd of an idea then they have a new poverty at a lower level lets get some realistic ideas ----------- and tobias i think your idea is a good one if the govt would let ya do it without butting in and screwing it up that is where most of the problem comes from The beautiful part is the government would have no say because it is a for profit business, and they can do what they need to do in order to help people. The problem is that people think charities will do things better then for profit companies, because one is based on greed and the other compasion. But there is error in that thought. If someone is not getting paid to do something they will never do as good of a job as if they are getting paid. Thats just how humans are. Now imagine a job motivated by both greed and compasion. I know those sound contradictory, but they can be very good together if they are done right. |
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Tobias1540....
Everything you posted makes good sense, but as one poster noted, it would take away a person's rights. Incidentally, I do not agree with that thinking, but we are a nation that has gone amuck with our political correctness. I have a friend who works for the Welfare Department and the people are called "clients." If you apply for Welfare, you are given it. You are not questioned as to why you are not working. You are not encouraged to work. That would infringe on your right to privacy. You are given hand out after hand out. My way of thinking is that if one is on Welfare, that person should attempt to get a job. If the person has young children, then get some kind of position where one works at home. We need to stop with all the hand-outs. My friend who works at the Welfare Department said that most people on Welfare are generational Welfare receipents. In other words, their parents/grandparents/and on and on received or are receiving Welfare. The reality is that there is probably nothing that can be done about the situation. There was supposed to be Welfare reform in my state (Pennsylvania), but it never happened. |
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People have no right to privacy when they are getting free money. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I know you agree with me but I just have to say it. If you get money from a bank they don't just gived it to you that would be dumb.
What about the rights of people who are paying taxes. The money that they earn is taken from them and given to someone else without their consent. I call that taking away peoples rights. Things can be done to fix the problem, but anyone that says different is labeled as selfish, or cruel, and many other things. People don't see that welfare is a cruch not a fix. |
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Tobias1540....
Once again, your thoughts are right in that people should have no right to privacy when they are walking away with taxpayer money, and consideration should be given to those paying the taxes. BUT once again at the risk of being repetitive, I will repeat that we are living in a liberal politically correct world. Therefore, when it comes to Welfare, you and I, the taxpayers, have no rights, it is all about the Welfare receipients. In this liberal politically correct world, we must not offend them. The taxpayers do not matter. Sure things can be done, but as you say, anyone wanting Welfare reform is given the tag of cruel. Most people know that Welfare is nothing but a permanent handout, but those in power do not want to reform it. The sad truth is that nothing can or will be done about it. I am not being cynical, just being a realistic. |
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Samething with welfare. Welfare is giving to people, and if they try and become self supporting, they get penalized and money taken away. I say, if you're on welfare and have a couple kids and you're willing to work, you should get more money, not less. The people just spitting out kid after kid for more welfare money should get less or just cut off at some point. Its sad really, the US is now becoming a country of do nothings, and get everything. As far as wellfare goes I think people on welfare should live a more comune like life. Several families living in a larger dwelling and splitting the expensis. I know that this is not a great lifstyle but, but things like this would help get out of poverty faster. Sometimes you have to give up a little to get more. Yea, you know the average welfare home has: Cable TV More groceries than they need Highspeed internet at least 1 car More than 2 TVs washer and dryer Dishwasher central air *** (up in MN for this one) The ability to keep their place at 82 degrees when its 10 degrees outside and the state pays for it all. *** I work 2 jobs, between all those things listed up there and my rent, I can make ends meets and save a few hundred a month, and I'm single! Thats the things i am talking about. Americans today will not live below a certian level in life that they think they are to good for. One x-mas my family through our church ( I am talking about my whole family all aunts and uncles) decided to sponcer a family's presents. We walked in the house and they had one of the largest big screen T.V.s you could have at that time, and my whole family paraded in with presents. I was like 8, and no one in my family had a TV like that. Needles to say my parents lied to me about it, to make me feel better. But my parents work thier asses of to get my family what we have. And a family on welfare, who applied to a church doner prgram had that. I am still disgusted about it today. Hello.maybe the TV was a donation also.No welfare family I know has free anything except the utilities with the Subsididized housing.I pay extra for the air conditioner i throw in the window in the summer.I work and get child support so I am ineligible for welfare but there are no perks like have been described in this thread..its just the case of people stereotyping once more.Here in NH there are several charities that give free lessons in job skills plus help people get housing.I have been homeless and when you have no roots or money a soup kitchen is a good thing.I lived in my car and washed up in public restrooms.It was over twenty years ago but I will never for get it.Unless you have been dirt poor or on welfare then stop talking thru your ass. |
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People have no right to privacy when they are getting free money. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I know you agree with me but I just have to say it. If you get money from a bank they don't just gived it to you that would be dumb. What about the rights of people who are paying taxes. The money that they earn is taken from them and given to someone else without their consent. I call that taking away peoples rights. Things can be done to fix the problem, but anyone that says different is labeled as selfish, or cruel, and many other things. People don't see that welfare is a cruch not a fix. i have every right to privacy and all recipients of any subsidy are reviewed to make sure they still qualify.Poor folk are just as good as you and I ,as a citizen of this country .find your remarks totally scary. People like you are the reason people in need don't seek help and you know who suffers? The kids. I bet you are the same peeps that send money to Africa but get sick at the thought of caring for your own..how sad. |
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hey cute!
 Youre trying to explain life to an Eighteen year old who knows only what he has been taught. He speaks from the blindness of youth and propoganda instilled on him from birth! |
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hi fanta !!maybe the little snot should volunteer in a soup kitchen so he can stop talking thru his ignorant ass about the poor and homeless.
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 Karma would send his beliefs flying!! |
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Tobias1540.... I have a friend who works for the Welfare Department and the people are called "clients." If you apply for Welfare, you are given it. You are not questioned as to why you are not working. You are not encouraged to work. That would infringe on your right to privacy. You are given hand out after hand out. You anti welfare people need to learn your facts, this is yet another misconception in your post. NOBODY is given social security without a review process, and most EVERYBODY gets turned down 3 or 4 times first. I waited 6 years before I was finaly aprooved, and they do in fact offer incentaves to work, as a matter of fact they have specialised counslers through rehabilitation programs dedicated to helping folks find work. It never ceases to amaze me what people with no SSI experiance think they know about social security, as if $600 a month plus $10 food stamps is much of a "hand out". If you don't like paying for social security, move to mexico or iraq, I'm sure you'll manage;^] |
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Tobias1540.... I have a friend who works for the Welfare Department and the people are called "clients." If you apply for Welfare, you are given it. You are not questioned as to why you are not working. You are not encouraged to work. That would infringe on your right to privacy. You are given hand out after hand out. You anti welfare people need to learn your facts, this is yet another misconception in your post. NOBODY is given social security without a review process, and most EVERYBODY gets turned down 3 or 4 times first. I waited 6 years before I was finaly aprooved, and they do in fact offer incentaves to work, as a matter of fact they have specialised counslers through rehabilitation programs dedicated to helping folks find work. It never ceases to amaze me what people with no SSI experiance think they know about social security, as if $600 a month plus $10 food stamps is much of a "hand out". If you don't like paying for social security, move to mexico or iraq, I'm sure you'll manage;^] thats true.It is very hard to get disability SSI but i hear they have great retraining programs.It is also a ***** to get welfare . If you have a job,no dice. |
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Karma would send his beliefs flying!! No shi t!!
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Exactly, unemployment here actualy requires you look for work. Thank god for DRS, I'll be off SSI soon enough..lol;^]
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Reading around here I see alot of folks with their head up their asses!
Reckon they can smell the ****?
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they ran away fast enough.the funny thing is I was raised in an upper middle class home and because of a series of unfortunate incidents(3 marriages)I am where I am today.
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Yes, It is not always in a persons control! Disabilities happen, lost jobs, mental illness, adictions, etc.
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I heard alot of the homeless are veterans. Imagine not helping them!
Ungratefull kids with rose-colored glasses talking about not helping those that need it the most! Imagine that! Its almost as rediculous as electing GW President!! |
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