Topic: Can it be called "Free Will" if there is coercion?
Ghostrecon's photo
Tue 11/28/06 01:20 AM
Can it be called "Free Will" if there is coercion?
I would call the threat of eternal torment in hell ,coercion.

Lioness7777's photo
Tue 11/28/06 01:41 AM
its free will because your making the choice. I guess in america we
take that for granted some people don't have free will now. good thing
you do although i kind of agree with your statement but i usually see
both sides of the coin and the aguement for everything. i have thought
like you before and i have thought on the other side. right now if i
did not have any faith in god I don't know where i would be.

SingleGuy342006's photo
Tue 11/28/06 02:53 AM
BLAH BLAH BLAH....YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET A FUCKIN LIFE!!!!!!

no photo
Tue 11/28/06 07:47 AM
thanks lioness. thats about right I think.

no photo
Tue 11/28/06 08:00 AM
i think that we all are offered the choice. Really the bible doesent
talk about eternal torment, thats more of a church doctrine thing. The
term Sheol, which has been translated as Hell, really means Grave. If
you think about it, eternal damnation is still eternal life. The bible
says that the dead are consious of nothing.
They await the resurection, which is in the future. This business of
Hell and Eternal fire was started by a fictional book written way
back,,, Dantes inferno. Im gonna say 1600s but I could be way off. It
soon became church doctrine for the obvious reason of scaring people
into believing. This is my understanding anyway.

no photo
Tue 11/28/06 05:11 PM
No such thing as totally free will..We are always being coerced by
something in reality..Led down a maze of choices by other and outside
influencesNo totally free will..We do the best we can..The only FREE
WILL I know is me.. And I still don't come cheap LOL>>WILL

Ghostrecon's photo
Tue 11/28/06 09:47 PM
So Ram.

The millisecound or smaller measuremeant, you die. Your back. Is that
how it works. Since your not consious of anything, (and there is suppost
to be a resuection) as soon as you die, your back. Right?

lily38's photo
Tue 11/28/06 09:53 PM
Singleguy.....you tryin' out for the part of the antichrist or did you
just wake up on the wrong side of the pc?

Ghostrecon's photo
Tue 11/28/06 09:56 PM
We all work to achieve some goal. You go to work to make money to buy
food to sustain your excistance.I'm sure all of us would love to just
lie around and not work and have everything done or given to us to
sustain our life. But of course that's not the case. You could sit on
your ass and not make money, but you wouldn't achieve the goal of making
any money(Assuming that money is our aim.)

So we don't have much free will( And maybe according to some who think
our rights are being erode).
So are we bound by some cosmic storyline that we can't break free from.
If you killed someone then is that what was your destiny to do so?

wouldee's photo
Thu 12/20/07 07:33 PM
noway

adj4u's photo
Thu 12/20/07 07:39 PM

BLAH BLAH BLAH....YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET A ****IN LIFE!!!!!!



well at least they are discussing a topic

wonder what that tells everyone


Redykeulous's photo
Fri 12/21/07 11:33 AM
Edited by Redykeulous on Fri 12/21/07 11:35 AM
I think the point the OP makes is being slightly misconstrued.

Free will is most apparent when the decisions or choices we make have no clear outcome. For example, if we, indeed, have two completly KNOWN values from which to choose, then the healthy and logical mind is going to choose the best option to suit the intended outcome.

In the case of a religious 'belief' the believer can only have two sides on which to base the choice of their actions. One will and can ONLY lead to the outcome of one side or the other (heaven or hell).

Without religion, there are so many more considerations to be examined, because the outcome is not limited to only two possibilities.

This, then, is why so many believe that those who are entirely committed to a religious doctrine, are indeed limited in all aspects of their life.

It seems, then , that the question of the OP might be more clearly stated as:

Do those who believe in a doctrinal concept of heaven and hell, have free will, or did they actually give it up for the sake of 'attempting' to land, always, on one side of the coin?