Topic: WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DEAD?
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Fri 10/02/20 03:23 AM
For seeking friends.


You are absolutely right!
It's nice to meet a like-minded person.

waving

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Sun 10/25/20 06:35 PM
Edited by NeutralZone2 on Sun 10/25/20 06:46 PM

For Tom4Uhere


I apologize for my bad english.

I want to say that a person does not live after death. He lies in the grave and
cannot speak, breathe, think ...
He died.

jugari007 wrote:

They don't die they only change the body, like if you have very old car not working, too many problem. you get rid of it and get another car, remember body is not you something else is there which doesn't die. Body is always changing getting old one day it has to go. There are meditation that can make you realize of your past lives.

jugari007:

If a person is not dead but “only change the body” why are such ones referred to as being dead?

like if you have very old car not working, too many problem. you get rid of it and get another car,


Your example of a very old car being replaced with another car does not help your argument, in light of the fact the old car and the replacement car are two different cars and both cars continue to exist at the same time.

NeutralZone

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18


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Sun 10/25/20 06:35 PM
Edited by NeutralZone2 on Sun 10/25/20 06:46 PM
tdion wrote:

when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over, until we become perfect. This is part of the "Grace of God" and it will last until Christ makes his second return. If we become spiritual or blameless before Christ makes his 2nd coming, then we will receive honors and the Kingdom of Heaven, which means eternal life on earth. If not then we die the 2nd death meaning we vanish from existence. Incase you wonder about the animals, then there is no judgement for them, since they can't sin and therefore they pass on to a next life and are reborn again.

I am however not able to write about this subject indepth, because God's plans are much larger than this, and whether you believe it or not, we humans are NOT equal nor are we the same. Therefore our destinies are not the same. My goal is never to hurt but to enlighten and hopefully this makes sense to you.

Note: I didn't quote any biblical text, since I am just glimpsing on this subject.
However, the bible must be read precept upon precept to get the full understanding.
[Isaiah 28-9:10].


tdion:

You stated that "when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over...." You also admitted that you did not quote scripture as proof.

At this time, suppose you quote scripture where it says the dead are "sent back to earth to do their lives over and over"? Be sure and provide Bible book, chapter, and verses.


NeutralZone

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18


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Sun 10/25/20 07:32 PM
being dead is just an awakening in a different form, a new realisation

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Mon 10/26/20 08:34 PM

tdion wrote:

when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over, until we become perfect. This is part of the "Grace of God" and it will last until Christ makes his second return. If we become spiritual or blameless before Christ makes his 2nd coming, then we will receive honors and the Kingdom of Heaven, which means eternal life on earth. If not then we die the 2nd death meaning we vanish from existence. Incase you wonder about the animals, then there is no judgement for them, since they can't sin and therefore they pass on to a next life and are reborn again.

I am however not able to write about this subject indepth, because God's plans are much larger than this, and whether you believe it or not, we humans are NOT equal nor are we the same. Therefore our destinies are not the same. My goal is never to hurt but to enlighten and hopefully this makes sense to you.

Note: I didn't quote any biblical text, since I am just glimpsing on this subject.
However, the bible must be read precept upon precept to get the full understanding.
[Isaiah 28-9:10].


tdion:

You stated that "when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over...." You also admitted that you did not quote scripture as proof.

At this time, suppose you quote scripture where it says the dead are "sent back to earth to do their lives over and over"? Be sure and provide Bible book, chapter, and verses.


NeutralZone

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18


NeutralZone, I don't know your background and nationality but since most people on this site are involved in Christianity and Islam, I can't explain too much. That's not an excuse. But if you can tell me your Nationality and what the topic of the bible is, in other words, who was the bible written too, why was it written, and what it is all about, I will reconsider.

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Mon 10/26/20 08:42 PM


tdion wrote:

when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over, until we become perfect. This is part of the "Grace of God" and it will last until Christ makes his second return. If we become spiritual or blameless before Christ makes his 2nd coming, then we will receive honors and the Kingdom of Heaven, which means eternal life on earth. If not then we die the 2nd death meaning we vanish from existence. Incase you wonder about the animals, then there is no judgement for them, since they can't sin and therefore they pass on to a next life and are reborn again.

I am however not able to write about this subject indepth, because God's plans are much larger than this, and whether you believe it or not, we humans are NOT equal nor are we the same. Therefore our destinies are not the same. My goal is never to hurt but to enlighten and hopefully this makes sense to you.

Note: I didn't quote any biblical text, since I am just glimpsing on this subject.
However, the bible must be read precept upon precept to get the full understanding.
[Isaiah 28-9:10].


tdion:

You stated that "when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over...." You also admitted that you did not quote scripture as proof.

At this time, suppose you quote scripture where it says the dead are "sent back to earth to do their lives over and over"? Be sure and provide Bible book, chapter, and verses.


NeutralZone

________________
"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18


NeutralZone, I don't know your background and nationality but since most people on this site are involved in Christianity and Islam, I can't explain too much. That's not an excuse. But if you can tell me your Nationality and what the topic of the bible is, in other words, who was the bible written too, why was it written, and what it is all about, I will reconsider.


NeutralZone, biblically there are two types of people in the world namely, Jews and Gentiles. Which one are you?

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Wed 10/28/20 12:52 AM
God created 2 forms of life for living beings: physical and spiritual.

The physical form of life is you and me, animals, plants. And we live on earth.

The spiritual form of life is spiritual persons (God, angels) and they live in the spiritual realm, in heaven.

These are 2 different life forms. And the physical body cannot become spiritual. Having died, a person ceases to exist and cannot take another body (in the closet or what?). There is nothing immortal in man. Before expelling Adam and Eve from Eden, God said the following words: "Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever . " --Genesis 3:22 (New World Translation). From this verse it is clear that man is not immortal and cannot live forever.
 

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Sun 11/08/20 03:26 PM


tdion wrote:

when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over, until we become perfect. This is part of the "Grace of God" and it will last until Christ makes his second return. If we become spiritual or blameless before Christ makes his 2nd coming, then we will receive honors and the Kingdom of Heaven, which means eternal life on earth. If not then we die the 2nd death meaning we vanish from existence. Incase you wonder about the animals, then there is no judgement for them, since they can't sin and therefore they pass on to a next life and are reborn again.

I am however not able to write about this subject indepth, because God's plans are much larger than this, and whether you believe it or not, we humans are NOT equal nor are we the same. Therefore our destinies are not the same. My goal is never to hurt but to enlighten and hopefully this makes sense to you.

Note: I didn't quote any biblical text, since I am just glimpsing on this subject.
However, the bible must be read precept upon precept to get the full understanding.
[Isaiah 28-9:10].


tdion:

You stated that "when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over...." You also admitted that you did not quote scripture as proof.

At this time, suppose you quote scripture where it says the dead are "sent back to earth to do their lives over and over"? Be sure and provide Bible book, chapter, and verses.


NeutralZone

NeutralZone, I don't know your background and nationality but since most people on this site are involved in Christianity and Islam, I can't explain too much. That's not an excuse. But if you can tell me your Nationality and what the topic of the bible is, in other words, who was the bible written too, why was it written, and what it is all about, I will reconsider.

tdion:

The topic of the Judeo-Christian Bible is the sanctification of God's personal name, JEHOVAH, and the message that his heavenly kingdom is the only hope for mankind.



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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

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Mon 11/09/20 02:41 AM
Yes, it is.
Because people can never solve their problems on their own, without God.
Only God will help us get out of the darkness in which we live.

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Thu 11/12/20 06:29 AM



tdion wrote:

when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over, until we become perfect. This is part of the "Grace of God" and it will last until Christ makes his second return. If we become spiritual or blameless before Christ makes his 2nd coming, then we will receive honors and the Kingdom of Heaven, which means eternal life on earth. If not then we die the 2nd death meaning we vanish from existence. Incase you wonder about the animals, then there is no judgement for them, since they can't sin and therefore they pass on to a next life and are reborn again.

I am however not able to write about this subject indepth, because God's plans are much larger than this, and whether you believe it or not, we humans are NOT equal nor are we the same. Therefore our destinies are not the same. My goal is never to hurt but to enlighten and hopefully this makes sense to you.

Note: I didn't quote any biblical text, since I am just glimpsing on this subject.
However, the bible must be read precept upon precept to get the full understanding.
[Isaiah 28-9:10].


tdion:

You stated that "when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over...." You also admitted that you did not quote scripture as proof.

At this time, suppose you quote scripture where it says the dead are "sent back to earth to do their lives over and over"? Be sure and provide Bible book, chapter, and verses.


NeutralZone

NeutralZone, I don't know your background and nationality but since most people on this site are involved in Christianity and Islam, I can't explain too much. That's not an excuse. But if you can tell me your Nationality and what the topic of the bible is, in other words, who was the bible written too, why was it written, and what it is all about, I will reconsider.

tdion:

The topic of the Judeo-Christian Bible is the sanctification of God's personal name, JEHOVAH, and the message that his heavenly kingdom is the only hope for mankind.



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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18


That's not what the bible is about. God's name is not even Jehovah. Jehovah is a title and it simply means "God will provide". It's obvious you were brought up in Christianity. There are two Gospels. That of the bible and that of Rome (Catechism of Rome). You must do your research, but I will help you out.

God and Christ are NOT the only main Characters in the bible. God is the father of a nation and Christ is the mediator between his father and His nation. In order For Christ to mediate, we must have a controversy and that's why the bible was written. To give instructions, answers, solutions and hope.

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Sun 11/15/20 07:07 AM
Psalm 83:18 says:
"My people know
that you, whose name is
Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High
over all the earth. "

Jehovah is God's personal name, not a title.
And the Almighty is the title. God has many titles, but one personal name.

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Sun 11/15/20 07:10 PM
Edited by NeutralZone2 on Sun 11/15/20 07:14 PM
tdion wrote:

when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over, until we become perfect. This is part of the "Grace of God" and it will last until Christ makes his second return.

Note: I didn't quote any biblical text, since I am just glimpsing on this subject.

However, the bible must be read precept upon precept to get the full understanding.
[Isaiah 28-9:10].


tdion:

You claimed that "when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over...." You also admitted that you did not quote scripture as proof. When I asked you to identify scripture to prove your point, you came back with the following:

tdion wrote:

NeutralZone, I don't know your background and nationality but since most people on this site are involved in Christianity and Islam, I can't explain too much. That's not an excuse. But if you can tell me your Nationality and what the topic of the bible is, in other words, who was the bible written too, why was it written, and what it is all about, I will reconsider.


I responded to your questions by informing you that the message of the Judeo-Christian Bible is the sanctification of God's personal name, JEHOVAH, and the fact that Jehovah’s heavenly kingdom is the only hope for mankind. You then responded as follows:

tdion wrote:

That's not what the bible is about. God's name is not even Jehovah. Jehovah is a title and it simply means "God will provide". It's obvious you were brought up in Christianity. There are two Gospels. That of the bible and that of Rome (Catechism of Rome). You must do your research, but I will help you out.

God and Christ are NOT the only main Characters in the bible. God is the father of a nation and Christ is the mediator between his father and His nation. In order For Christ to mediate, we must have a controversy and that's why the bible was written. To give instructions, answers, solutions and hope.


You are telling me your personal philosophy, and as usual, you have failed to present scripture from God's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible, to prove your point. Below is scripture that indicates the sanctification of God’s personal name, JEHOVAH, is of prime importance and that his heavenly kingdom is next in importance. This is Jesus, his heavenly son, speaking.

“You must pray, then, this way: “Our Father in the heaven, let YOUR NAME be sanctified. Let YOUR KINGDOM come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.” (Matthew 6:9-10)

NeutralZone

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18


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Sat 11/21/20 12:31 PM
You are absolutely right!

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Sat 12/05/20 03:24 PM
Edited by tdion on Sat 12/05/20 03:27 PM


Death
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Also, when a person dies, he cannot do, speak, think. And naturally, he cannot
return to earth. He is simply in the grave, asleep in death (as Jesus Christ
said).


This is true for all people. But all prophets can hear us and we can plead with the prophets to ask God Almighty for help, sustenance and health


Christ is the only one, and thru him we can ask God for forgiveness and guidance. When a person dies, his life and business on earth is finished.

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Sat 12/05/20 04:52 PM
I don't really read the bible
But apparently it says that somebody had a baby and that they were a virgin. I don't believe that, so I don't really believe anything else it says either, and thus wouldn't use it as guide for questions

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Sun 12/06/20 08:05 AM
Edited by tdion on Sun 12/06/20 08:31 AM

I don't really read the bible
But apparently it says that somebody had a baby and that they were a virgin. I don't believe that, so I don't really believe anything else it says either, and thus wouldn't use it as guide for questions


Holy means that the bible was written for a specific group of people. But when reading scriptures we must reference the chapter and vers, if we need explanation. The word VIRGIN has a different meaning in the bible then how we use it today. A virgin was a woman who was promised to a man for marriage. She remained a virgin until after the consummation of the marriage and sexual intercourse took place or if the marriage was cancelled.

The bible is important because God gave the word and he is the only truth we have.
Let God be true, but every man a liar, as it is written in the scriptures.

At some time we have been taught christianity which is different from the bible.
NO man or woman who ever walked the earth, had no biological parents.
For conception to take place an egg must be fertilized with sperm. No exceptions here.



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Sun 12/06/20 08:24 AM
So, a woman who had not had sex, and was thus a virgin, got pregnant and had a baby, even though she had not had sex
Right. No, I don't believe that

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Sun 12/06/20 09:02 AM


Thank you for your opinion.

Many people think so. But this is the opinion of people.

Genesis 3:19 says, "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to
the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will
return."

Here God says that when a person dies, he will return to the earth. The human body
will disintegrate into atoms and become dust. Because you are taken from there.

A person will not receive a new body, will not become an angel, will not burn in
hell, nothing will happen to him. He died and there is no life in him.

This is not me speaking, God and the Bible teaches this.



And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. 5Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 7So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 8And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 9Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 10So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves


For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

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Sun 12/06/20 01:59 PM

So, a woman who had not had sex, and was thus a virgin, got pregnant and had a baby, even though she had not had sex
Right. No, I don't believe that


You are right! This is one of the reasons of the great division in the Chatolic church, which occured several hundred years ago. Almost half of the catholisc didn't believe either. Those who protested were expelled from the church and were called "Protestants" because they went against Rome. The theory actually was an attempt to place Christ in a position of a super human like Hercules, who had a heavenly father and earthly mother.

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Sun 12/06/20 02:07 PM

So, a woman who had not had sex, and was thus a virgin, got pregnant and had a baby, even though she had not had sex
Right. No, I don't believe that


Your right! Thats a fairy tale. Christ had an earthly father and an earthly mother.
That's why the bible names the bloodline of Christ, namely being an Israelite of the tribe of Judah.