Topic: Current Event. Imposing Confiscation
Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/20/19 09:15 AM
Governor Prepares to Disarm Virginians: We are in the fight of our lives to protect the 2nd Amendment rights of the citizens of the state of Virginia. PLEASE Watch AND SHARE this video with everyone and everywhere you can. WE MUST get the word out quickly about this imminent threat to our rights!
http://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2966649466703302&id=344730025561939

I_love_bluegrass's photo
Fri 12/20/19 09:24 AM

Governor Prepares to Disarm Virginians: We are in the fight of our lives to protect the 2nd Amendment rights of the citizens of the state of Virginia. PLEASE Watch AND SHARE this video with everyone and everywhere you can. WE MUST get the word out quickly about this imminent threat to our rights!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2966649466703302&id=344730025561939


That link refers to House Bill #67..

I attatch that Bill, from the state site...please show me where it says what is claimed?

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB67

Rock's photo
Fri 12/20/19 09:32 AM
I generally avoid travel, through all
parts of Appalachia.


I_love_bluegrass's photo
Fri 12/20/19 09:32 AM
In doing a bit of searching..I found THIS..
Now, tell me WHY you believe anyone needs a fully or semi-automatic waeapons..also caled "assault weapons"?
Do you also have an issue with doing background checks on prospective gun owners to weed out those with mental illness or history of domestic abuse/ assault?

No one wants your actual hunting rifles or regular shotguns or handguns...
I have both a .22 rifle and a handgun..in case you were going to say I must hate guns.


"The legislation would have banned the importation, manufacture, sale, transfer, and possession of what it termed “assault firearms.” The term was defined to include any semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds or any semi-automatic centerfire rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of several enumerated features. These features included, a folding or telescoping stock, a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, a second handgrip, a bayonet mount, a silencer, a flash suppressor, a muzzle brake, a muzzle compensator, or a threaded barrel. The legislation also would have banned commonly-owned semi-automatic shotguns and centerfire pistols with any one of several prohibiting features.

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Fri 12/20/19 09:48 AM



That link refers to House Bill #67..

I attatch that Bill, from the state site...please show me where it says what is claimed?

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB67

Thank you

Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/20/19 09:51 AM
Thank God, counties are becoming 2A Sanctuaries.
Militias are gaining momentum.
Sane Sheriffs are willing to deputize thousands to enforce our Constitution.
Hopefully, other states militias will join in.
Anyone who possesses a Carry Permit knows how extensive the background checks already are.

Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/20/19 09:55 AM
Edited by Let'sDoThis on Fri 12/20/19 09:56 AM

In doing a bit of searching..I found THIS..
Now, tell me WHY you believe anyone needs a fully or semi-automatic waeapons..also caled "assault weapons"?
Do you also have an issue with doing background checks on prospective gun owners to weed out those with mental illness or history of domestic abuse/ assault?

No one wants your actual hunting rifles or regular shotguns or handguns...
I have both a .22 rifle and a handgun..in case you were going to say I must hate guns.


"The legislation would have banned the importation, manufacture, sale, transfer, and possession of what it termed “assault firearms.” The term was defined to include any semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds or any semi-automatic centerfire rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of several enumerated features. These features included, a folding or telescoping stock, a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, a second handgrip, a bayonet mount, a silencer, a flash suppressor, a muzzle brake, a muzzle compensator, or a threaded barrel. The legislation also would have banned commonly-owned semi-automatic shotguns and centerfire pistols with any one of several prohibiting features.

According to your description, your rife and handgun would be illegal there.
Threaded barrels.
The only weapon that doesn't have a threaded barrel is a shotgun.

I_love_bluegrass's photo
Fri 12/20/19 10:45 AM
You didn't answer the question:

Now, tell me WHY you believe anyone needs a fully or semi-automatic waeapons..also caled "assault weapons"?
Do you also have an issue with doing background checks on prospective gun owners to weed out those with mental illness or history of domestic abuse/ assault?

Plus I am aware what "rifling" is....and that shotguns do not have that.

Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/20/19 10:51 AM

You didn't answer the question:

Now, tell me WHY you believe anyone needs a fully or semi-automatic waeapons..also caled "assault weapons"?
Do you also have an issue with doing background checks on prospective gun owners to weed out those with mental illness or history of domestic abuse/ assault?

Plus I am aware what "rifling" is....and that shotguns do not have that.

Assault is an action.
According to you description of the law, any weapon with rifling can be confiscated.
As I already stated. Anyone holding a Carry permit has gone through a background check.
Now, what's the plan for stripping terrorists and other active criminals of firearms.

no photo
Fri 12/20/19 03:11 PM
Now, tell me WHY you believe anyone needs a fully or semi-automatic waeapons..also caled "assault weapons"?

2nd Amendment. Gun ownership/bearing arms is a right.

Tell me why you believe anyone needs to speak or sing? Or congregate on internet forums? Or worship a god? Or be protected from search and seizure? Or be tried by jury?

No one needs to justify their rights to anyone else, let alone a government.
We could outlaw a lot of things if we start winnowing it down to what one person defines another "needs."

Laws aren't there to define "needs" by which people have to adhere to/justify themselves in order to express their rights.

Do you also have an issue with doing background checks on prospective gun owners to weed out those with mental illness or history of domestic abuse/ assault?

Sort of.
"Mental illness" is a rather broad term.
Not to mention, psychologists and doctors are not elected officials.
They are fallible and not absolutely impartial or unbiased.
Also psychiatry, psychology, medicine is constantly changing, being relabeled. People used to have Asperger's. That's no longer a diagnosis.
Look up "Drapetomania."

Other than that, background checks aren't there to determine if someone should be allowed to do something, just to check to see if there's something that prevents.

Huge difference between mental illness and domestic abuse/assault. The latter are crimes. Violations of the rights of someone else. They go through a trial process.
Having a mental illness is not a crime. It doesn't violate another persons rights, nor (unless they're found legally mentally incapable, such as an i.q. under 75, or insane) do they go through a judicial process where they can argue against it.

I have a problem with background checks by the government to try and dig up dirt in order to keep someone from expressing their rights, especially without their say in the matter e.g. "mental illness/red flag laws."
I don't have a problem with background checks to determine if someone has a current legal injunction against their expressing their right.
People that go to prison, do their time, can/should sue for removal of injunctions against their ability to express their rights.

"Laws" don't magically keep people from doing things.
"Laws" are simply threats. They aren't "supposed" to be a tool for social engineering. Only "if you do x, y are the consequences." With "x" and "y" clearly defined as objectively as possible.

I do not believe any good law can come from "we think you may possibly do something bad sometime, because these people with Dr. in their name say so, or agree with us, then that gives us license to suspend/abridge your rights, and the onus is on you, the individual, on your dime, to prove us, the government, wrong. Prove your innocence and we'll remove the guilty verdict."


So, TLDR, IMO no one needs to justify their ownership of a semi/fully automatic rifle, anymore than you need to justify speaking.
And IMO the government does not have inherent rights to abridge individual rights.
The onus is on the government to prove/justify their abridging of rights, not on the individual to justify/prove their expression of rights.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/20/19 03:23 PM
you have to 'justify' speaking if it incites actions that are harmful to others. Rights are not absolutes, just saying.

Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/20/19 03:28 PM
Edited by Let'sDoThis on Fri 12/20/19 03:28 PM

you have to 'justify' speaking if it incites actions that are harmful to others. Rights are not absolutes, just saying.

Gun confiscation has already killed several law abiding citizens.
The liberals have fired the first shots.

Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/20/19 03:29 PM

Now, tell me WHY you believe anyone needs a fully or semi-automatic waeapons..also caled "assault weapons"?

2nd Amendment. Gun ownership/bearing arms is a right.

Tell me why you believe anyone needs to speak or sing? Or congregate on internet forums? Or worship a god? Or be protected from search and seizure? Or be tried by jury?

No one needs to justify their rights to anyone else, let alone a government.
We could outlaw a lot of things if we start winnowing it down to what one person defines another "needs."

Laws aren't there to define "needs" by which people have to adhere to/justify themselves in order to express their rights.

Do you also have an issue with doing background checks on prospective gun owners to weed out those with mental illness or history of domestic abuse/ assault?

Sort of.
"Mental illness" is a rather broad term.
Not to mention, psychologists and doctors are not elected officials.
They are fallible and not absolutely impartial or unbiased.
Also psychiatry, psychology, medicine is constantly changing, being relabeled. People used to have Asperger's. That's no longer a diagnosis.
Look up "Drapetomania."

Other than that, background checks aren't there to determine if someone should be allowed to do something, just to check to see if there's something that prevents.

Huge difference between mental illness and domestic abuse/assault. The latter are crimes. Violations of the rights of someone else. They go through a trial process.
Having a mental illness is not a crime. It doesn't violate another persons rights, nor (unless they're found legally mentally incapable, such as an i.q. under 75, or insane) do they go through a judicial process where they can argue against it.

I have a problem with background checks by the government to try and dig up dirt in order to keep someone from expressing their rights, especially without their say in the matter e.g. "mental illness/red flag laws."
I don't have a problem with background checks to determine if someone has a current legal injunction against their expressing their right.
People that go to prison, do their time, can/should sue for removal of injunctions against their ability to express their rights.

"Laws" don't magically keep people from doing things.
"Laws" are simply threats. They aren't "supposed" to be a tool for social engineering. Only "if you do x, y are the consequences." With "x" and "y" clearly defined as objectively as possible.

I do not believe any good law can come from "we think you may possibly do something bad sometime, because these people with Dr. in their name say so, or agree with us, then that gives us license to suspend/abridge your rights, and the onus is on you, the individual, on your dime, to prove us, the government, wrong. Prove your innocence and we'll remove the guilty verdict."


So, TLDR, IMO no one needs to justify their ownership of a semi/fully automatic rifle, anymore than you need to justify speaking.
And IMO the government does not have inherent rights to abridge individual rights.
The onus is on the government to prove/justify their abridging of rights, not on the individual to justify/prove their expression of rights.

Well put.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/20/19 03:32 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 12/20/19 03:33 PM


you have to 'justify' speaking if it incites actions that are harmful to others. Rights are not absolutes, just saying.

Gun confiscation has already killed several law abiding citizens.
The liberals have fired the first shots.



if that were true, there are courts that would handle those cases where 'law abiding'citizens are wrongfully killed/executed, just as there would be for speech that incited harm to others.

darkowl1's photo
Fri 12/20/19 03:35 PM
I think every family should own mandatorily:think

1 tank, 1 howitzer, and 1 bushel of hand grenades. NO guns.

The only person in the world that wouldn't have any weapons at all is me.... I really like running toward explosives.drool

They tickle a little bit when they hit.explode drinkerdrinks

notbeold's photo
Fri 12/20/19 07:55 PM
My High rise apartment needs more parking space for tanks and howitzers. laugh

Rock's photo
Sun 12/22/19 07:18 PM
Meh...
Come and take them.

darkowl1's photo
Sun 12/22/19 10:07 PM

My High rise apartment needs more parking space for tanks and howitzers. laugh



I can do heavy-duty mud with #11 rebar. Just ok it with the landlord.laugh

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Mon 12/23/19 12:32 PM
Facebook :rolling_eyes:

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Mon 12/23/19 01:58 PM
One general suggestion.

I've observed over the years, that the number one BEST way to insure that you will utterly fail to gain support for any cause, no matter how good, from the people who you most want to convince...

....is by wildly exaggerating it, or lying about it.

I've seen that strategy fail with everything from trying to discourage use of "entertainment" drugs, to communism, to you-name-it.

It applies to defending Constitutional rights too.