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Topic: Multiple Gods?
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Mon 12/17/07 08:59 AM
yes i notice though that more teens are willing to adapt with change alot easier than the "more mature" generation which happen to be very status-quo. Seems rather close-minded if you ask me.

I have noticed the same about young writers as well

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Mon 12/17/07 11:26 AM

Good morning Miller flowerforyou Actually, if you study the founding of our country and the history of putting together our form of government, you will find that this country was not built on a christian foundation, but a humanist foundation. There was a great belief in God, but they were not referring to necessarily a Christian God, nor Muslim, Jewish nor any other particular faith. One of the great foundations of this country is religious freedom, not just freedom for Christians. Our founders deliberately separate church and state, which is what they still attempt to do. They are not trying to "stamp out Christianity," just keep the two (church and state) separated. And, if you look at the situation in the Middle East and many other parts of the world who are ruled by their major religion, you will understand why they felt this was necessary.

I hope you don't take offense to what I just said. I respect everyone's viewpoints but just felt that some historical facts needed a little further clarification. flowerforyou flowerforyou


:smile: Afternoon Suzin! Ive been doin some research on the founding fathers and their beliefs and got mixed results. I did find that 27 of the 56 founding fathers had Christian seminary degrees. That would indicate that there was at least a christian persuasion present in the writing of the Constitution and the aforementioned documents. Another interesting thing I found is that nowhere in the Constitution is the words "seperation of church and state" mentioned. The idea of church/state separation came from a letter penned by Thomas Jefferson."Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State". This is not on an official government document either. This was proposed to protect the church from the government, not the government from the church as its often viewed today. What I view of the government stamping out christianity is the degree of moral decay in our society. Removing God from our schools, look at all the violence thats now present, shootings, gangs, etc. I'm not that old but wow! how much things have changed since I was in school. There is nothing about the views of true christianity that promote violence of any kind. Read the Beautitudes in Matthew chapter 5. What would have been considered taboo 20 or 30 years ago is now considered mainstream in America. But its a changing world, they say. yes it is, but does that make it OK??
Just some things to ponder, no offense taken Suzin, and hope you dont take any either. This is an interesting website worth checkin out.
http://www.creationists.org/churchandstate.html

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Mon 12/17/07 11:44 AM
I take offense to very little, Miller. Not sure I agree with your reasoning on the causes of decay in our society, but that's neither here nor there, and it certainly doesn't pertain to the OP's original topic. But, it does look like I'll be having to do some of my own research on the subject, doesn't it. Thanks for giving my brain a workout laugh laugh laugh

If you don't mind a respectful clash of opinion, probably, I'd be more than happy to discuss it sometime. flowerforyou

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Mon 12/17/07 11:48 AM


Another interesting thing I found is that nowhere in the Constitution is the words "seperation of church and state" mentioned. The idea of church/state separation came from a letter penned by Thomas Jefferson."Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship;


Actually, we are both correct. The idea and phrase did come from T.J. in that letter, and it is in the First Amendment to the Constitution. flowerforyou flowerforyou

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