I know how you feel. I love getting religious callers to home, novices, I spend time with them, and send them away with their heads spinning. Most never return. Ha ! Such fun.

hahahahahaha

let's be honest, those who oppose our views are naturally fun to poke fun at and to irritate.

for us being here by an accident, we sure have a lot of emotions that i do not see other animals express or seem to deal with. a quick sniff to your rectum and animals either accept you or make you the enemy right there and now. there is none of this misleading and sending false impressions like we can as a human, which are traits and characteristics obvious void in true animals, not in us, humans. definitely separates us from the animals. and probably definitely explains why we seem more like this God person than the rest of the natural animal kingdom!!

Animals do have emotions, just we often don't notice. Fish do feel pain; elephants remember their dead; dogs and cats fret and get depression if neglected; many animals have a sense of humour; some, like cats, are vindictive; some get outraged and want to hurt you, like snakes and bears; some are appreciative, like rescue animals, the thirsty and starving, and neglected, etc.

We don't know their language or expressions to be able to understand them, but they communicate with each other fine. Even across different species.

You can't expect animals to adopt human traits and expressiveness, so using them as some sort of test for emotions won't work for all animals.
Monkeys, apes, and domesticated house pets may show human like expressions for attention, but may really only want food or something else.

Remember the Gilgamesh story, where the man/beast of the field was one with the animals, until he laid with a human female, then after that all his animal friends avoided him, as they would a human.

We can't claim any superiority or intelligence over animals while we destroy the only place we can live with our technological lifestyles.
Homo stupidus destructor. Made in the image of god.

Having eaten from the tree of knowledge, we are still extremely stupid, gullible, stiff necked, greedy, righteous, and destructive to all life forms.

yes, they definitely all do feel and display emotions to a degree.

from the fish that either swims toward or away when you touch the aquarium is that fish relating/communicating to us.

when i hug my tibetan mastiffs and they shake their heads because they sense my emotions towards them resignates they can feel.

when they play and bite too hard, they convey their feelings towards that action.


i totally agree with your assessment and claims.

i am however speaking like our discussion and obvious difference in views.

animals will find their place in the pack and hierarchy.

humans try to place Class upon all peoples to control, but no one is actually controlling anyone of ourselves, but our own self. i have a president but i'd pizz on him like i would the queen of england. they are nobody's to me. i do not see them any brighter, more advanced, more accomplished than myself.


but there is a clear stark difference between the interior motive of the human vs the animal kingdom.

and Science would claim we evolved to this point.

but that would be impossible, because us thriving together in humanity and unity, goes against everything defined, explained, theorized, under "Natural Selection."

Natural Selection is literally the process of murder in continuous motion.

you cannot domesticate the process of natural selection ever!!

according to animal vets, my mastiff (1 lineage and continual self breed from the wolf)(all other dogs in existence from the wolf) (so the Tibetan Mastiff is a "different Species" of Canine, like the wolf and coyote, fox from all domesticated dog breeds)...are considered less than 5% Domesticated!! I am literally dealing with a live wire and get to see in first hand action the things more likely from the wolf, coyote, fox in these TM's than you can from the actual Domesticated Breeds. and these things, confirm "Natural Selection" literally 100%

to claim one can Domesticate "Natural Selection," makes either you a liar or natural selection a liar.

it literally is one or the other!!

and that is why we are definitely separated from all animals and never were a part of that kingdom to begin with!!

the real point of the TM's are, too many males or females and the balance tilts and now you suddenly have a complete nightmare, "Outside the fact, you can NEVER put 2 TM males together or they will fight to their death."

humans, not even remotely the same. in the military ,the balance of men in unity meant protection, in life, the balance of more women is just a true blessing.

you can drop 2 males on a deserted island and they will work together.

in the animal kingdom, 2 males represent "Rivals." and you must "Kill" your Rival like designed by "Natural Selection."

if a lion walks past, they (TM Males Fighting) will continue killing one another. that is the true process of natural selection. and these TM's have been around for 50,000 years.

and 2 males today, after 50k years of trying to Domesticate, still results in fighting to the death!!


humans are definitely not a part of "Natural Selection!!"

the wolf males

the fox males

the lion males

all animal males are RIVALS!!

THEY WILL NEVER WORK TOGETHER!!


human males can be rivals and still work together and coexist out of necessity.
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which exemplifies the OPPOSITE of "Natural Selection!!"


the male animals are killing one another to breed!!
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it's all a natural process for them.

and those animals have been here possibly millions of years longer than us humans in all classifications.

animals could have been here for half the life of Earth and they still have Never Domesticated because of Natural Selection and its murderous process!!

we've been here about 1/8 of the time and we formed groups from word go with having the more males the better for protection and hunting...Theory!!

we were Naturally Domesticated from word "GO!!"

look at the jungles of south america, africa, wherever you still find tribal groups. they, for not having and living in our same conditions, are the same domesticated as all of us and they have men as leaders, as healers, as protectors, as hunters, as advisers, etc.

and these people are as primitive as they were 500,000 years ago. they are literally generations of the original. and they do not "Naturally" find men as Rivals and must kill them so they can impregnate every woman in the group!!

so we are Clearly and Obviously different than Animals and their Kingdom!!

Different as, we are not ANIMALS ourselves, we are Human Beings.

we are not even a Species!!

we are above the Species world!!

Science claims we are from Apes, and yet, Ape males will kill one another in heartbeat!!

just like all other Species will!!

in Fact, there are current day tribal peoples that a document was made about a myth of peoples. these peoples lived in the middle of BFE!! their homes were built on natural environment products making stilts because most of the year it's flooded there.

and when the tv crew and the 2 young men exploring discovered these people, these people never seen a camera, mobile device, electricity, white people, and they would not know what 200 years ago technology was let alone today' tech.

and they had men in units of leadership, and were domesticated, and were the most primitive examples of living i had ever seen.

worse than actual poor people you see in commercials.

these people i am discussing, did not know anyone else in the world existed!!

and they still were Domesticated by Natural Cause, unlike the Species Kingdom where "Natural Selection" will never allow Domestication!!

I thought love was only true in fairy tales
Meant for someone else but not for me
Love was out to get me
That's the way it seemed
Disappointment haunted all of my dreams

Then I saw her face, now I'm a believer
Not a trace, of doubt in my mind
I'm in love, and I'm a believer
I couldn't leave her if I tried

I thought love was more or less a giving thing
The more I gave the less I got oh yeah
What's the use in tryin'
All you get is pain
When I wanted sunshine I got rain

Then I saw her face, now I'm a believer
Not a trace, of doubt in my mind
I'm in love, I'm a believer
I couldn't leave her if I tried

What's the use of trying
All you get is pain
When I wanted sunshine I got rain

Then I saw her face, now I'm a believer
Not a trace, of doubt in my mind
I'm in love, I'm a believer
I couldn't leave her if I tried

Then I saw her face, now I'm a believer
Not a trace, of doubt in my mind
Now I'm a believer, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Now I'm a believer
Then I saw her face
Now I'm a believer
Not a trace, of doubt in my mind

I'm a believer, a song by Neil Diamond, though I'm sure we all think of the Monkees

So God, here I am
On a dating site
Looking for love
And I end up debating your existence
I get numerous names
Books
Translations
Interpretation
Meet all manner of miscreants
If you get the chance, if you'd be so kind as to work out, how to feed everybody, and world peace, and all of that hippy jazz
I'd be ever so grateful, if maybe, just maybe...... I could..
Preferably, in this lifetime

ॐ नमः शिवाय
Hari om
Om shanti shanti shanti

Doesn't Exist.

Men will kill in a heartbeat and with no justification other than "I wondered what it would be like to kill someone".No anger,no self defence,no striving for top dog.

I wonder what you are drinking today.For a man who claims to be intelligent and educated,this series of posts appears to me to be riddled with contradictions,non sequiturs and assumptions.In the past you have provided me with very adequate answers to queries and I appreciate the time and effort expended in researching those answers.Not only do I not accept some of the information provided in this series of posts but several of your comments seem to be at odds with your stated Biblical beliefs.

Large numbers of men will kill large numbers of other men in a war. Often those doing the killing will have been told to consider the enemy as some sort of sub-human animal. It makes it easier to another person that way. If you think the man you are about to kill has parents, a wife and family, just like you have, then it becomes more difficult to kill others, just because they are 'on the other side'.

I find it hard to understand why Christian priests would 'bless' a submarine before it went to the seas in the second world war to find and destroy other submarines. Somewhere in the bible it says something about not killing other people, but I guess there's a bit written in invisible ink that says it's OK to kill others in wartime.

For me, as a pacifist, it is never, ever, OK to kill another person. In the first world war that means I would probably have been shot. In the second world war I would probably have been able to drive ambulances or some other non-combatant role to help injured people. Let's hope that in any future war, I will be able to help in a non-combatant role. I doubt that at my age I would be able to do anything else!

The majority of people in England do not believe in a god. They are not Muslem, not Christian, not Hindu and not any other faith. It seems reasonable therefore that if you make a claim that most other people disagree with, it is up to you to prove your claim. It is not necessary (and quite difficult) to prove the non-existence of something. Although one famous biologist has written a book in which he claims to have proved the non-existence of god. I must get a copy and see if it is written in normal English and not in complex science that goes over my head.

Just quoting what other men said in books thousands of years ago does not count as proof. Neither to weird things that happened once and are not repeatable. A proper scientific test is something that other people can duplicate. If others consistently get the same result it becomes more likely to be true.

If you put your hand on the hot plate of a cooker and it gets burned, you have a theory which can be tested by asking others to do the same. If everybody who tries that experiment gets the same result it is reasonable to assume that human skin does not like too much heat. For this experiment I'm sure I can say that 'it works' - would you care to try it? People are so sure that this theory works that I doubt any reader here will try it - they don't need to! Nobody is going to say, "My god will protect me, so I will do the experiment and not get burned". If they did, that would be scientifically interesting. If that person could repeat the experiment in front of other people as often as required, it would become very interesting.

However, to become accepted as proof that you don't always get burned, it would require a large number of people to show to others that they don't get burned. At that point the theory would have to be modified to say that some people get burned if they touch a hot plate. If it happens to only one person, a likely explanation is that the person lacks sensitivity to pain. There are such people and they have to be careful what they touch as they genuinely cannot feel pain. Their hands will certainly get burned if left on the hot plate for a few seconds, so that experiment does not invalidate the theory.

I believe it is up to those that claim there is a god either to say they know there is and they are quite happy in that belief (as some have done here) or to try to prove their claim, which has been shown to be a complete waste of time and effort. As far as I can tell, belief in a god is an internal thing, something in your mind which is convincing to you, like people who 'hear voices' in their head. The voices don't actually exist, they are not heard through the ears, else other people nearby could also hear them. They are imagined by people who have a vivid imagination.

Those who are convinced there is a god, while obviously deluded, are no doubt people with vivid imaginations. Perhaps they ate too much cheese the night before they had a weird experience. I've heard this can happen to some people, but I think I must be boringly 'normal' having never had any such experience. As I said before, if you 'expect' something odd to happen then it is very likely you will find it. And conversely, if like me, you have no such expectation, you won't find god no matter how much you try and how hard you look.

yes, and science has placed those people in a category known as being psychotic. protecting your home, family, an self is called being a normal human being.

but animals can be normal until it's breeding time and then every male turns on one another.

this is where a male lion, wolf, TM, fox, any animals here,will go through the liter and KILL all puppies and then try to kill the Male Dom and other Rivals all for the sole purpose of being able to breed and your seed along!!

animals and humans are very different in this natural environment.

and that is simply due to inherited traits due to "Natural Selection!!"




an insane person does not need to be provoked. but they are insane, we get that, and that psychotic dysfunction of right and left lobes being disconnected or bad hardwiring is something we have accepted as Fact!!

these animals are not psychotic, that is the natural tone of things, one dom male.

in the current world now, with a population around 8 Billion, we as human are around literally BILLIONS of Dom Males that get near their spouse, women, children in public and they co-exist.
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in the Animal Kingdom, that setting of human males interacting with Dom Males and not resulting in ones death "literally NEVER happens!!"

serious big difference in the natural drives between the human and the animal kingdom.

war is a group allowing themselves to be led by one.
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this togetherness we human cans do for what call a "just cause" can never be duplicated by the Animal Kingdom.

the moment a similar Species of Male is on scene where another Male is at, it's automatic battle to the death or submission and escape.

what is it never about, those 2 males saying in their lango, let's act like teammates...<that is virtually impossible for them to get along.

clearly human males togetherness and animals males needing to kill all males are 2 completely different NATURAL DRIVES AND INSTINCTS!!

and since our instincts are completely opposite of the Animal Kingdom, it;s a flat out lie to say Humans are Animals!!

we we can OBSERVE the actions of ALL ANIMALS and HUMANS, and we clearly see that as a male myself, i should act like my male mastiffs if i was from evolution and "Natural Selection."


but the fact is simple:

after hundred thousands and millions of years, not one animal is truly Domesticated.

after the same amount of time, ONLY the human insane are not Domesticated!!

and insanity has NOTHING to do with Natural Selection, but more from the environment creating defects!!

you would have to literally be the DUMBEST PERSON on Earth to believe humans are Animals!!

in fact, Natural Selection by its own truths and process would kill the insane genetics, so this is clearly environmental!!

hitler did not believe in God, therefore, should i also assume you, most of England, and hitler are one and the same type of character?