Topic: Are we destined to be the worlds big brother?
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Tue 12/11/07 05:31 PM

I disagree with the babyshrub rhetoric in here. It stinks. Babyshrub personally chose to take us to Iraq, he even made a speech or something about it when he was a senator. It is oil based and he utilized the revenge of 9/11 to attack a sovereign nation without provocation.

The rhetoric spouted is biased at best and very unrelated to the the fact that Saddam did not do 9/11, had nothing to do with 9/11 and has never made an attack on American soil considering "he was sooooo capable" by all the lies told by the babyshrub administration.

Do not attempt to fool us again with the same sh*t, as that is what it is.


sick

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Tue 12/11/07 05:32 PM

I disagree with the babyshrub rhetoric in here. It stinks. Babyshrub personally chose to take us to Iraq, he even made a speech or something about it when he was a senator. It is oil based and he utilized the revenge of 9/11 to attack a sovereign nation without provocation.

The rhetoric spouted is biased at best and very unrelated to the the fact that Saddam did not do 9/11, had nothing to do with 9/11 and has never made an attack on American soil considering "he was sooooo capable" by all the lies told by the babyshrub administration.

Do not attempt to fool us again with the same sh*t, as that is what it is.


Abdul Rahman Yasin

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Tue 12/11/07 05:33 PM
Damn, I hear a broken record!!

Then why do you keep playing it?:wink: laugh

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Tue 12/11/07 05:38 PM
Dont hate the player, hate the game!!

Turn it off its not a magnet or a light bulb you have to flock to like a moth!

Or is it???:wink: laugh laugh

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Tue 12/11/07 05:39 PM



- Allowed Zarqawi to enter the country freely prior to the Iraq War, who then went on to set up the al Qaeda and other insurgency


Al Qaeda set up and financed by Bin Laden. Who stated 20 years ago that he would bring 'holy war' to American soil. He wasn't believed then.


Did he really state that 20 years ago?

I thought everything he hated was all directed at Saudi Arabia until the aftermath of the Gulf War. It was the Gulf War and what happened that he decided to really take action, from all I've read and studied.

Osama was beyond furious that Saudi Arabia came to the US rather than him and his fighters to protect the state from Saddam. It was then that he declared his hatred for the US and set into works the plot for the '93 Trade Center bombing. Of course, ~2 years to do a plot seems unlikely as from what we understand it takes awhile to plot such things. Plus, I truly believe that Saddam had a link to it through Abdul Rahman Yasin, who he did give sanctuary in Iraq after the bombing.

But, then again, Osama offered to fight against Saddam in 1991, would he then ally himself with the man or form an enemy of my enemy is my friend, like we did with Osama when the Russians invaded Afghanistan.

We did play the enemy of my enemy is my friend card numerous times throughout history. Our allying with Osama and Saddam in the past is proof of that, maybe Osama did the same thing with Saddam to get back at us for turning on them.

It makes sense, though it is really out there without a doubt. It is the stuff for a novel rather than reality, but who knows. Sounds more sane than the stuff from smo though.

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Tue 12/11/07 05:40 PM

Damn, I hear a broken record!!

Then why do you keep playing it?:wink: laugh


Me??? noway Oh whatnoway because we are now so dam inbedded grumble in this hell that he createdgrumble we should forget that he brought it to us under false pretenses???noway

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Tue 12/11/07 05:40 PM
By the way that Quote I had made was from the CONTACT news paper. Volume 49 ,NUMBER 13 date October 31 ,2007 3 dollars per copy comes out every 2 weeks or so depending on circumstances ,I guess.ph 800-800-5565 Supposedly read by all the BIG BOYS .Only us Americans seem to be in the dark, the rest of the world seems to know about this stuff.ph 800-800-5565 There is a lot more in there on that subject . I think it is the only true newspaper on earth today. You ought to check it out, it will tell you what to do to get through these times, who the trouble makers are even by names,etc, what opportunities we have to set things straight.

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Tue 12/11/07 05:41 PM


Damn, I hear a broken record!!

Then why do you keep playing it?:wink: laugh


Me??? noway Oh whatnoway because we are now so dam inbedded grumble in this hell that he createdgrumble we should forget that he brought it to us under false pretenses???noway


And it continues. Maybe new talking points are in order.

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Tue 12/11/07 05:42 PM
Britain's American colonies broke with the mother country in 1776 and were recognized as the new nation of the United States of America following the Treaty of Paris in 1783. During the 19th and 20th centuries, 37 new states were added to the original 13 as the nation expanded across the North American continent and acquired a number of overseas possessions. The two most traumatic experiences in the nation's history were the Civil War (1861-65) and the Great Depression of the 1930s. Buoyed by victories in World Wars I and II and the end of the Cold War in 1991, the US remains the world's most powerful nation state. The economy is marked by steady growth, low unemployment and inflation, and rapid advances in technology.


The US has the largest and most technologically powerful economy in the world, with a per capita GDP of $43,500.


Toot, Toot!!!drinker drinker drinker

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Tue 12/11/07 05:42 PM
Edited by kidatheart70 on Tue 12/11/07 05:44 PM


Damn, I hear a broken record!!

Then why do you keep playing it?:wink: laugh


Me??? noway Oh whatnoway because we are now so dam inbedded grumble in this hell that he createdgrumble we should forget that he brought it to us under false pretenses???noway


No, not you.flowerforyou

The one playing with his horn.laugh

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Tue 12/11/07 05:44 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Tue 12/11/07 05:45 PM
sailor, I have heard all the bull related to it and none of it disputes the fact that Saddam did not do 9/11 yet he paid for it. Where is that ole bin laden???? Who knows, who cares, we got Saddam, right????

Fanta, I will stop here, I am sorry to hi-jack your thread. I am done. Carry on with the world strength of the mighty US.flowerforyou

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Tue 12/11/07 05:47 PM

sailor, I have heard all the bull related to it and none of it disputes the fact that Saddam did not do 9/11 yet he paid for it. Where is that ole bin laden???? Who knows, who cares, we got Saddam, right????

Fanta, I will stop here, I am sorry to hi-jack your thread. I am done. Carry on with the world strength of the mighty US.


Like smo, I know where Osama is as well. He is sitting in the secret bunker with Cheney smoking cigars and playing pool....lol. Many criminals have hid in the woods of West Virginia and elsewhere for years without being caught and they had not even a half of the wealth, influence, and support that Osama has, nor do they have half of the area to hide and networks to do it in.

I wouldn't be surprised though if he was sitting in Iran or Syria.

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Tue 12/11/07 05:51 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Tue 12/11/07 05:52 PM
Your welcome any where you want to be Dragoness!flowerforyou

Actually, if you go back and read. I agree with you on Iraq!!drinker

Still doesnt take away from the fact that we are the most powerful and technological country on the face of the Earth, and you cant touch that!!!drinker drinker

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Tue 12/11/07 05:51 PM
Edited by karmafury on Tue 12/11/07 05:54 PM




- Allowed Zarqawi to enter the country freely prior to the Iraq War, who then went on to set up the al Qaeda and other insurgency


Al Qaeda set up and financed by Bin Laden. Who stated 20 years ago that he would bring 'holy war' to American soil. He wasn't believed then.


Did he really state that 20 years ago?

I thought everything he hated was all directed at Saudi Arabia until the aftermath of the Gulf War. It was the Gulf War and what happened that he decided to really take action, from all I've read and studied.

Osama was beyond furious that Saudi Arabia came to the US rather than him and his fighters to protect the state from Saddam. It was then that he declared his hatred for the US and set into works the plot for the '93 Trade Center bombing. Of course, ~2 years to do a plot seems unlikely as from what we understand it takes awhile to plot such things. Plus, I truly believe that Saddam had a link to it through Abdul Rahman Yasin, who he did give sanctuary in Iraq after the bombing.

But, then again, Osama offered to fight against Saddam in 1991, would he then ally himself with the man or form an enemy of my enemy is my friend, like we did with Osama when the Russians invaded Afghanistan.

We did play the enemy of my enemy is my friend card numerous times throughout history. Our allying with Osama and Saddam in the past is proof of that, maybe Osama did the same thing with Saddam to get back at us for turning on them.

It makes sense, though it is really out there without a doubt. It is the stuff for a novel rather than reality, but who knows. Sounds more sane than the stuff from smo though.



The Rise of al-Qaeda

After his expulsion from Saudi Arabia, bin Laden established headquarters for al-Qaeda in Khartoum, Sudan. The first actions of al-Qaeda against American interests were attacks on U.S. servicemen in Somalia. A string of terrorist actions suspected to have been orchestrated by al-Qaeda followed (see sidebar), and in August 1996 bin Laden issued a "Declaration of War" against the U.S.


Source site: http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.html

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Tue 12/11/07 05:54 PM


While our boys die in Iraq! Australia is fixing to pull all 550 of their troops out, and Britain is below 1500.

Last I heard of a terrorist attack it was in London. actually the last 2 or 3!

Canadas military is ranked 49th in the world and although they are participating in Afganistan (2 or 3 thousand), I see none in Iraq, and at the most, when their citizens were hostages, they had 33 men there!

Seems to me that the burden is all on our shoulders!drinker


JTF-2 is still in Iraq.

Besides which Bush decided to enter Iraq on his own without awaiting U.N.




the un still would be complaining and doing nothing

that is why the U S should get out

sadamm would not keep his end of the cease fire

and the U S waited 10 years for the u n

all they needed to do was not hinder the inspectors

and do not say they found nothing

if nothing was there why did they

hinder the inspectors

hindsight is 40 20


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Tue 12/11/07 05:55 PM





- Allowed Zarqawi to enter the country freely prior to the Iraq War, who then went on to set up the al Qaeda and other insurgency


Al Qaeda set up and financed by Bin Laden. Who stated 20 years ago that he would bring 'holy war' to American soil. He wasn't believed then.


Did he really state that 20 years ago?

I thought everything he hated was all directed at Saudi Arabia until the aftermath of the Gulf War. It was the Gulf War and what happened that he decided to really take action, from all I've read and studied.

Osama was beyond furious that Saudi Arabia came to the US rather than him and his fighters to protect the state from Saddam. It was then that he declared his hatred for the US and set into works the plot for the '93 Trade Center bombing. Of course, ~2 years to do a plot seems unlikely as from what we understand it takes awhile to plot such things. Plus, I truly believe that Saddam had a link to it through Abdul Rahman Yasin, who he did give sanctuary in Iraq after the bombing.

But, then again, Osama offered to fight against Saddam in 1991, would he then ally himself with the man or form an enemy of my enemy is my friend, like we did with Osama when the Russians invaded Afghanistan.

We did play the enemy of my enemy is my friend card numerous times throughout history. Our allying with Osama and Saddam in the past is proof of that, maybe Osama did the same thing with Saddam to get back at us for turning on them.

It makes sense, though it is really out there without a doubt. It is the stuff for a novel rather than reality, but who knows. Sounds more sane than the stuff from smo though.



The Rise of al-Qaeda

After his expulsion from Saudi Arabia, bin Laden established headquarters for al-Qaeda in Khartoum, Sudan. The first actions of al-Qaeda against American interests were attacks on U.S. servicemen in Somalia. A string of terrorist actions suspected to have been orchestrated by al-Qaeda followed (see sidebar), and in August 1996 bin Laden issued a "Declaration of War" against the U.S.


You are partially correct, unless he did say that 20 years ago about bringing war to American soil. His Declaration of War in '96 was only 11 years ago, not 20 :D

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Tue 12/11/07 05:57 PM
He had also stated 20 years ago that he would bring Holy War to American soil. Company I worked with at the time dealt with Counter Terrorism as well as with security.

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Tue 12/11/07 05:58 PM
Are you bored kid?laugh laugh drinker drinker

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Tue 12/11/07 06:02 PM

Are you bored kid?laugh laugh drinker drinker


I suppose you are talking to me, though callimg me a kid when I am 25 is alittle over the top :) And yes, extremely bored.

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Tue 12/11/07 06:21 PM
No, kidatheart! laugh laugh