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Topic: Don't Kill the Animals
Toodygirl5's photo
Mon 04/08/19 12:52 PM
Rhino Poacher in South Africa was recently attached, he was stomped on by an Elephant and then eaten on by :lion_face: Lions.

Karma is a B.




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Mon 04/08/19 01:23 PM
Serves him right, he deserves what he got!!!laugh

Larsi666 😽's photo
Mon 04/08/19 03:08 PM
He was asking for it and got what he deserved.

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Mon 04/08/19 03:59 PM
Those that kill rhinos, only do it to cut off the horn. They often do it at night.

Toodygirl5's photo
Mon 04/08/19 05:53 PM
@Cat
You are right !

I_love_bluegrass's photo
Mon 04/08/19 06:01 PM
Edited by I_love_bluegrass on Mon 04/08/19 06:02 PM
I've never understood why they need to kill them..
Just dart/ tranqualize them...cut off the tusks (for elephants) a couple inches from where they come out of their face....cut the rhino horn off near the base...and let them go, to regrow both things..to get again later on..

Because when they kill them, they are causing the supply to diminish further...which makes no sense.Z

Note....I am *not* condoning the practice....not at all..
Just saying for those poachers, it's dumb to kill your supply

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Mon 04/08/19 06:13 PM
I watched a documentary a couple of years ago about poachers in Africa killing rhinos and one guy doing all he could to protect them. It was a losing battle. The horns do grow back. Poachers just want here and now. they don't care about the animal.

Rock's photo
Tue 04/09/19 02:09 AM
Rhino horn, has a value of $9,000. per pound, on the black market.
It's used as a "medicinal remedy".


Toodygirl5's photo
Tue 04/09/19 06:26 AM
@Rock
That is very interesting, thanks for that info !

I_love_bluegrass's photo
Tue 04/09/19 07:44 AM
Most people know that elephant tusks and rhino horn are used for BS/ nefarious things..
(aphrodisiac..really???)

But that still doesn't answer why they don't dart and tranqualize the elephant/ rhino, take the tusk/ horn down close to the base, then leave them to wake up and live another day, to gather from again at a later date..

Because killing your source/ supply is just STUPID.

jaish's photo
Tue 04/09/19 08:39 AM
Edited by jaish on Tue 04/09/19 08:41 AM

I've never understood why they need to kill them..
Just dart/ tranqualize them...cut off the tusks (for elephants) a couple inches from where they come out of their face....cut the rhino horn off near the base...and let them go, to regrow both things..to get again later on..

Because when they kill them, they are causing the supply to diminish further...which makes no sense.Z

Note....I am *not* condoning the practice....not at all..
Just saying for those poachers, it's dumb to kill your supply



Male elephants without tusks cannot protect the herd; mate and most likely will be cast out by the feminists in which case they become lion meat or worse. Rhinos, one has to be in Africa to see how bad it really is. (better to kill) It;s like sending a battle tank without the barrel.

Rhino horn, has a value of $9,000. per pound, on the black market.
It's used as a "medicinal remedy".


Google: medicinal remedy - in Asian market, Vietnam, China, & S.Korea. The Japanese apparently have moved on to modern pharma.

What's ironic is that the horn of a rhinoceros is composed entirely of keratin, the same substance that makes up human hair and fingernails. Rather than continuing to drive these majestic animals into extinction, perhaps poachers can be convinced to grind up their toenail clippings and see if anyone notices the difference!


for their size, rhinos are absolutely fearless and like some teenagers, want to be left alone. A rhino will graze right in the middle of a lion pride. Ihe good side is they stomp out forest fires (as in the movie, God's must be crazy) and will attack anything that attempts to fence them in; like an inadvertent bull elephants or jeeps as in the John Wayne movie Hatari.

If the bloody Africans had made Rhino their mascot, they would be ruling the earth. Instead the bloody b@$#are selling the horn to their rulers.

Google again
Estimated population of Black rhinos 30,000.

As of March 2018, there are only two rhinos of the northern white rhino left, both of which are female. They live in the Ol Pejeta Conservancy in Kenya and are protected round-the-clock by armed guards. Their near extinction is due to decades of rampant poaching for rhino horn.


For an American, rhinos with their small brain 1.5 pounds ( human - 3 pounds) are just meat. but a 1.5 brain without fear lives a majestic life. Cut the horn, it is reduced to a pig. better to kill...

Rock's photo
Tue 04/09/19 10:53 AM

@Rock
That is very interesting, thanks for that info !


I was wrong, only on the price.
Recent black market "retail" price of
rhino horn, is upwards of $60,000. per kilogram. (2.2 pounds)



Larsi666 😽's photo
Tue 04/09/19 11:03 AM
Not 100% sure, but I think, the import of ivory and related products is banned in the EU. They mentioned it on the Antiques Roadshow.

Rock's photo
Tue 04/09/19 11:37 AM
Online rhino horn auction set to open in South Africa

Breeders say open trade will stop poachers slaughtering rhino but activists say legal sales could fuel illegal hunting.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/08/online-rhino-horn-auction-set-open-south-africa-170821043921244.html

Toodygirl5's photo
Tue 04/09/19 01:18 PM
Jaish

That is a lot of information, however, point is. Poschers should NOT kill Rhinos for ANY Reason. NOTHING. Really Justifies Killing them.

I_love_bluegrass's photo
Tue 04/09/19 01:43 PM

Jaish

That is a lot of information, however, point is. Poschers should NOT kill Rhinos for ANY Reason. NOTHING. Really Justifies Killing them.


THIS ^

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Tue 04/09/19 04:48 PM
I agree with Toody and bluegrass. Don't kill the animals.

Seakolony's photo
Tue 04/09/19 05:01 PM
Ummmm so tranquilize them cut off their tusk and let them go to their death because they can't defend themselves against another animal such as another territorial rhino. Yeah that is just so ****king kind of you. Real humanity right there. Let's just let em die waiting for their tusk to grow back how sweet.whoa whoa

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Tue 04/09/19 05:12 PM
To be clear, I'm not saying that it is ok to cut off horns and tusks from living or dead animals. I don't like poachers.

jaish's photo
Wed 04/10/19 05:31 AM
Edited by jaish on Wed 04/10/19 06:20 AM

As Seakolony spelled it out.., but as Blue Grass views the whole thing on the lines of a farm. First an update

Rhino Farm (N. Geography, updated 2017):
John Hume, (1 off many South Africans farmers), owns more rhinos than anyone else in the world, around 1,500 and a six-ton stockpile of horn, which is more valuable than gold.

April 2017: Hume sued the government and a final court ruling opened the way for the domestic trade to begin again. His argument has been that legal trade (read: rhino farms), is the only way to stop the poaching crisis,

August 23: first day of a three-day web auction held by Hume.


Hume partners with 'Save the Rhino' NGO




if Oil & Electricity were not discovered in 19 century, I can understand a world developing sperm whale farms; but..

To sell a product that has imaginary function (cure for cancer) by farming a beast (rhinos as chickens); slicing its horn off like it were tapping rubber (the soft tissue inside bleeds then hardens over time); all this, in the name of saving it from smugglers suggests that:

a) in business, no such thing as good or bad; just short term profits.

b) the Law views people in context, in here as smugglers looking for quick cash making farming legit for survival of species

But the initial point remains,
there are some animals and birds; that should be left alone
consider them for future gens to appreciate nature.

tame an eagle, clip its wings and it is something else; no longer a partner in nature's system. A part of nature is what we term as Eco-conservatism. E-C is not limited to territories like mountains, islands, rivers, beaches; (in India, few open beaches, most fenced off by private housing);

but also the wild life they inhabit, and the Rhino should be counted in among this list.

So if you want a rhino horn, kill it; not its spirit and eventually it's DNA like we did with wolves to dogs.

anyway it's Africa's business,
--xx--

thanks Toody, for cooling me down; I agree to the extant
Rhino Poacher, stomped by Elephant, eaten by lions
Karma is a B.


Rock, for the undeniable commercial points:
Breeders say open trade will stop poachers slaughtering rhino but activists say legal sales could fuel illegal hunting.


Blue, for expanding this argument
so that I could get in as messenger of God,

Sea, for the kick in the butt; flowerforyou

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