Gen 1:1-5
1:1 In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the waters.

3 And Elohim said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 Elohim saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 Elohim called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning — the first day.
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Now if thier light for the day. Then was thier pure darkness?

He also says he hovered over the waters.

Gen 1:6-10

6 And Elohim said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So Elohim made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 Elohim called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning — the second day.

9 And Elohim said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 Elohim called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And Elohim saw that it was good.
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In verse 6 we see that the waters at one time were together before he put in the expance.In verse 7 &8 the sky seems to of been all water. He gathered the water and land appeared. So my question is when Elohim made the universe and this may sound crazy so no rock throwing. haha..made the universe and seperated the water is this how the sun was formed. Before it says thier was no light. Water is made up of H2O. Water is the chemical substance with chemical formula H2O: one molecule of water has two hydrogen atoms covalently bonded to a single oxygen atom
If Yahweh devided the water as he said did he also take the Hydrogen H2 out and the Sun was formed bringing us light.

Just something to think about. Any Thoughts?.....Miles

Ahh, read the question wrong...

Heavens and the Earth could be this gravity,space, and bond that would not tied the universe as being a fish bowl but until the end of time we will not know nor can fathom. But only assume

I would suggest to you that the account in Genesis one is not the original creation. That took place long before. Therefore, this scenario in Genesis one STARTS WITH THE EARTH ALREADY IN EXISTENCE, BUT IN A DESTROYED STATE.

Remember that the angels who followed the Devil left their first estate. That estate was the earth. They followed the Devil to attack God's throne and were cast back down. Jesus said He saw him fall like lightening. Where did He fall to? The earth. He was the ruler over the earth, and remains so until Christ's return. Mat 4:4 2 Cor 4:4

So, Genesis opens up with this:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

So, God created the heavens and earth -- but then something happened

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The words without form and void do not refer to God's creation. The words mean chaos and confusion. God is not the author of confusion. Satan is I Cor 14:33.

The state of the world is the result of sin. Thus the word "was," should have legitimately been translated "became." So, God created the heavens and earth. After millions of years, Satan rebelled, and there was a great war in which His world, the great dragon's world, the reptilian community on earth died. They dies almost instantly and are found today with food in their mouth. The world became chaotic and confused with moons pounded into dust and still circling their mother planet, asteroids, and meteors, one time pieces of planets, flying through space.

That is the world that was. Then in all the darkness of the debris God cleared it away so the sun would shine again.

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Thus God had to restore rotation to the dead earth to have night and day.

notice that the first day is restoring light to the earth. THE EARTH AND THE UNIVERSE WERE ALREADY HERE.

Next God created the atmosphere:
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Now the earth has an atmosphere and IT is rotating again. Next God raised the land, sets the bounds of the sea, and He plants the ground with various vegetation.

Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

In verse four he simply relocates the sun and moon for signs and seasons. He places them in position to signal His Holy day observances.

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And "GOD SET" them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The fifth day He created the sea creatures

The sixth day He created the land creature and man

The seventh day He created the Sabbath

Art

whoa. cool dreamer. never interpreted it that way.

Shalom Dreamer

Thanks for the input. It is just a thought. Thats all.
I do want to ask you a question about what you wrote. Why do you think satan/helel does not go back and forth to heaven. Jude says Michael fought with him.In Job Satan asked Yahweh about Jobs loyalty.And we know job lived after the flood because of his friends accussations. So why do you think Revelations where Satan is thrown out for good has happened? It says that he is the accusser of the brethern. Blessings of Shalom...Miles

Which begs the question that I will pile on the momentum.


Do we practice the Sabbath as a contemplation of that which is yet to come, or have we entered it and it's all done?

Isa 58:12-14

12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach , The restorer of paths to dwell in.

13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of Yahweh, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in Yahweh; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of Yahweh hath spoken it.
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We are the repairers of the breach. What do you consider that as being?

Then he says to remember..

Mal 4:1-6
:1 "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says Yahweh Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. 3 Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things," says Yahweh Almighty.

4 "Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.

5 "See, I will send you the prophet EliYah before that great and dreadful day of Yahweh comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
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What do they revere? and Remember? and Restore?



Excellent questions. May Yahweh of Hosts Guide You.....Miles

I never said that Satan can't go back to heaven. Just that he was cast back down to the earth. He is no longer able to hold a position of power and influence in heaven. At one time he had such a position. As Ezek states, referring to the king of Tyre, the words lift to speak of the devil who was the real power behind that throne. He writes:

eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

At one time Satan was one of the covering Cherubs. He had a position among the leading angels in heaven. He lost that in the great war. And he lost his power to ever destroy the earth again.

In Job it states that on a particular day, the sons of God, the angels, appeared before God and Satan was among them. I think that the angels appear before God on the days that are commanded assemblies for us. We appear before God and so do they.

Satan lost that first war. He is restricted in the power he is able to use in this life, but his proclivity seems to be to want to ascend and attack God's throne. Hence, some think the tower of Babel was inspired by his mind for this purpose. Further, at the end of the thousand years, Satan is released and he directs his forces to attack God's throne in Jerusalem Rev 20.

So, what about the final casting down of Satan?

The 12th chapter of the book of revelation is a brief history of the church and Satan's attempt to destroy her.

JERUSALEM ABOVE IS THE MOTHER OF US ALL INCLUDING CHRIST
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

SATAN TRIES TO THWART GOD'S PLAN FOR CHRIST'S BIRTH
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Satan has all the nations. He is over them and that is why he could offer them to Christ. The devil is thus shown with the seven heads of the beast and the ten toes of Daniel. He is the power behind those kingdoms that culminate with the final beast power.

THIS SPEAKS OF THE DEVIL IN TERMS OF THE TIME THAT THE HE ORIGINALLY ATTACKED GOD'S THRONE
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Now the devil tries to kill Christ when He was born. This refers to Herod's attempt to kill Him,by killing the babies.

CHRIST LIVES, DOES HIS WORK AND ASCENDS TO THE FATHER
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

NOW THE FOCUS SHIFTS TO THE CHURCH BACK ON EARTH--SHE IS ALSO A WOMAN IN SYMBOL AS THE PHYSICAL REPRESENTATION OF JERUSALEM ABOVE BUT ON THE EARTH
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Using the principle of a day for a year, Ezk 4:6?, the earth helps hide the woman so that she is not completely destroyed during the terrible middle ages. This take the church from 325 to 1585 up to through the protestant reformation where there is again a certain freedom of expression allowed.

NOW THE STAGE MOVES TO THE END OF THE AGE & the final war
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Satan has accused the brethren for nearly 2,000 years. The people of God have overcome him. They are not overcome by him. They don't somehow slide into the kingdom. They work to overcome sin, human nature, and the devil.

THE SAINTS OVERCOME THE DEVIL EVEN RESISTING TO THE POINT OF DEATH, UNLIKE US TODAY WHO WANT TO SLOP AROUND WITH THE TRUTH
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

NOW HE IS CAST OUT PERMANENTLY, AND THERE IS VERY LITTLE IIME UNTIL THE END
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiter's of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

ONCE THIS WAR HAPPENS, WHICH HAS NOT OCCURRED YET, BUT WILL OCCUR JUST BEFORE THE TRIBULATION--THE DEVIL PERSECUTES THE WOMAN
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

THIS PERSECUTION IS ON THE CHURCH AND IT IS CALLED THE GREAT TRIBULATION IN OTHER PLACES. IT IS 3 1/2 YRS LONG THAT IS WHY THERE IS LITTLE TIME.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

GOD HAD PROMISED PROTECTION FROM THIS TRIBULATION TO ONE OF THE FAITHFUL END TIME CHURCH ERAS

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

NOW WE SEE GOD PROTECTING THEM
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

They are taken to a place on this earth. It is not a rapture to heaven

NEXT SATAN GOES AFTER THE PART OF THE CHURCH THAT WAS NOT FAITHFUL
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

WATER IS A MASS OF PEOPLE THUS A FLOOD IS AN ARMY
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

GOD OPENS THE EARTH AND SWALLOWS THE ARMY LIKE HE DID WITH THE ARMY THAT PURSUED ISRAEL IN ANCIENT TIMES-- REMEMBER THOSE THINGS ABOUT ISRAEL WERE WRITTEN FOR THOSE AT THE END OF TH AGE
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

SATAN GOES AFTER THOSE WHO WERE NOT PROTECTED
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This is the remnant of the church. They are those in the next era who are lukewarm, They are those who have been affected by the apostasy at the end of the age.

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

TO THIS CHURCH GOD SPEWS THEM INTO THE TRIBULATION
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire,

IN THE BIBLE GOLD IS A TYPE OF SPIRICUAL CHARACTER. FIRE IS A TYPE OF TRIAL OR TRIBULATION
that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

NOTICE HOW THE CHURCH IS CHARACTERIZED
these are they Which keep the commandments of God,

So, for all those who have been decieved by the devil to think we don't have to obey God, this is telling. First of all, these are those who keep the commandments. Not those who don't keep them. Second, they are punished. Why? Because of the half hearted way they keep the commands.

Everyone who might read this, give it some thought.

Next is the second part of the definition of the church:
They have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This does not mean that they just believe in Christ and testify that He is the Messiah. The testimony of Christ is prophecy. These people understand the prophecies.

Rev 19:10 I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

So, there you have it, like it or not. Satan can go before God in heaven, but He has been stripped of his power to attack God's throne.

He will finally be cast out entirely just before the tribulation starts. It is our generation. So, everyone, fasten your seat belts please,

Art

The Sabbath is a shadow of things to come, not things done away:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body "IS" of Christ.

The word "IS" should not be there. It is not in the original. Thus, we are not to let anyone judge us in the way we keep God's days but the body of Christ---His church.


Art