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Topic: China Studying US Intel Report on Iran
Fanta46's photo
Thu 12/06/07 01:09 PM
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=105&sid=1305331
Published: 12/6/07, 5:45 AM EDT

BEIJING (AP) - China's government is studying a U.S. intelligence review that concludes Iran stopped developing nuclear weapons in 2003, the Foreign Ministry said Thursday.

I have a question for the lawyers.
After several years of embargos,
Can Iran sue the US for recovery of economic losses?huh huh noway

Wouldnt that be a drag??huh


Fanta46's photo
Thu 12/06/07 01:16 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Thu 12/06/07 01:20 PM
Another thing!

How long ago do you reckon we knew this? "???? 2003 ????"noway

How do we know they quit pursueing Nukes in 2003?
Are the intell reports that old?grumble
HMmmmmmmmmmm,,,

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 12/06/07 01:25 PM
Edited by boredinaz06 on Thu 12/06/07 01:25 PM




as far as I know the US is the only country saying they've stopped! Britain, France and Germany haven't stated that they've stopped! who knows whats going on? I don't like or trust anybody in our government!

wmyers4u's photo
Thu 12/06/07 01:25 PM
Anyone who understands what is involved in the process of making nuclear power or weapons, was never fooled by Bush's claims.

This is no different than all the BS that led up to the Iraq war. The US war machine is actually the largest business in America.......pro--war = pro-business.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 12/06/07 01:27 PM
I, in noway have answers, just questions!

I dont think they have been asked. I havent read them, nor have I heard them asked, "YET!"

They seem like good questions, so I thought Id ask y'all!


Fanta46's photo
Thu 12/06/07 01:28 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Thu 12/06/07 01:28 PM
great input!drinker drinker

TheLonelyWalker's photo
Thu 12/06/07 01:54 PM
nice to see you back my friend (fanta)

RandomX's photo
Thu 12/06/07 02:15 PM
Edited by RandomX on Thu 12/06/07 02:15 PM
My question is libs were shouting from the Rooftops about us going into Iraq on Faulty Intel.....Who say this New Intel is not just as Faulty but in the Opposite direction....I would Rather error On the Side of NOT seeing a Mushroom Cloud In Israel.

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Thu 12/06/07 02:25 PM

My question is libs were shouting from the Rooftops about us going into Iraq on Faulty Intel.....Who say this New Intel is not just as Faulty but in the Opposite direction....I would Rather error On the Side of NOT seeing a Mushroom Cloud In Israel.


I agree.

damnitscloudy's photo
Thu 12/06/07 02:46 PM
Israel can defend itself, I'd rather not see a mushroom cloud in the USA personally O_o

RandomX's photo
Thu 12/06/07 04:54 PM
DC

The likely hood that Iran goes from No Nukes to ICBM`s Is unlikely unless they get one from Russia or China.....Unlikely Iran WILL EVER be able to Reach the United States FROM Iran so No Worries and your Right The Israelis Can Defen themselves and When and If they Have to prepare for Armageddon not in A Biblical since (I hope) Because they DO have Nukes....and if They Launch Pakistan and the Islamic Bomb get lit... no Good Situation Either way....

davinci1952's photo
Thu 12/06/07 06:06 PM
I'm shocked to think the Bush Administration, er (Bush Castration maybe) actually
ignored the truth and set policy based on lies!!!....

of course they did...and the american sheeple were falling in line once again...

adj4u's photo
Thu 12/06/07 06:11 PM

I'm shocked to think the Bush Administration, er (Bush Castration maybe) actually
ignored the truth and set policy based on lies!!!....

of course they did...and the american sheeple were falling in line once again...



glasses glasses glasses

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Fanta46's photo
Thu 12/06/07 10:39 PM

I'm shocked to think the Bush Administration, er (Bush Castration maybe) actually
ignored the truth and set policy based on lies!!!....

of course they did...and the american sheeple were falling in line once again...



I think this also!!drinker drinker

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Fri 12/07/07 06:54 AM
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=DFA7A7FC-E9F4-4CBE-B05C-F4A9B0B7C58A

Stupid Intelligence

By Alan M. Dershowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | 12/7/2007

The recent national intelligence estimate that concluded that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 is just about the stupidest intelligence assessment I have ever read. It falls hook, line and sinker for a transparent bait and switch tactic employed not only by Iran, but by several other nuclear powers in the past.

The tactic is obvious and well-known to all intelligence officials with an IQ above room temperature. It goes like this: There are two tracks to making nuclear weapons: One is to conduct research and develop technology directly related to military use. That is what the United States did when it developed the atomic bomb during the Manhattan Project. The second track is to develop nuclear technology for civilian use and then to use the civilian technology for military purposes.


What every intelligence agency knows is that the most difficult part of developing weapons corresponds precisely to the second track, namely civilian use. In other words, it is relatively simple to move from track 2 to track 1 in a short period of time. As Valerie Lincy and Gary Milhollin, both experts on nuclear arms control, put it in a New York Times Op Ed on December 6, 2007:


“During the past year, a period when Iran’s weapons program was supposedly halted, the government has been busy installing some 3,000 gas centrifuges at its plant at Natanz. These machines could, if operated continuously for about a year, create enough enriched uranium to provide fuel for a bomb. In addition, they have no plausible purpose in Iran’s civilian nuclear effort. All of Iran’s needs for enriched uranium for its energy programs are covered by a contract with Russia.


“Iran is also building a heavy water reactor at its research center at Arak. This reactor is ideal for producing plutonium for nuclear bombs, but is of little use in an energy program like Iran’s, which does not use plutonium for reactor fuel. India, Israel and Pakistan have all built similar reactors—all with the purpose of fueling nuclear weapons. And why, by the way, does Iran even want a nuclear energy program, when it is sitting on an enormous pool of oil that is now skyrocketing in value? And why is Iran developing long-range Shahab missiles, which make no military sense without nuclear warheads to put on them?


“…the halting of its secret enrichment and weapon design efforts in 2003 proves only that Iran made a tactical move. It suspended work that, if discovered, would unambiguously reveal intent to build a weapon. It has continued other work, crucial to the ability to make a bomb, that it can pass off as having civilian applications.”


Duh! What then can explain so obvious an intelligence gaffe. One explanation could lie in the old saw that “military intelligence is to intelligence as military music is to music”. But I simply don’t believe that our intelligence agencies are populated by the kind of nincompoops who would fall for so obvious an Iranian ploy. The more likely explanation is that there is an agenda hiding in the report. What then might that agenda be? To find a hidden agenda one should always look for the beneficiaries. Who wins from this deeply flawed report? Well, certainly Iran does, but it is unlikely that Iranian interests could drive any American agenda. Lincy and Milhollin surmise that:


“We should be suspicious of any document that suddenly gives the Bush administration a pass on a big national security problem it won’t solve during its remaining year in office. Is the administration just washing its hands of the intractable Iranian nuclear issue by saying, ‘f we can’t fix it, it ain’t broke?’”


My own view is that the authors of the report were fighting the last war. No, not the war in Iraq, but rather what they believe was Vice President Cheney’s efforts to go to war with Iran. This report surely takes the wind out of those sails. But that was last year’s unfought war. Nobody in Washington has seriously considered attacking Iran since Condolleezza Rice and Robert Gates replaced Cheney as the foreign policy power behind the throne.


Whatever the agenda and whatever the motive this report may well go down in history as one of the most dangerous, misguided and counterproductive intelligence assessments in history. It may well encourage the Iranians to move even more quickly in developing nuclear weapons. If the report is correct in arguing that the only way of discouraging Iran from developing nuclear weapons is to maintain international pressure, then the authors of the report must surely know that they have single-handedly reduced any incentive by the international community to keep the pressure up.


If Neville Chamberlain weren’t long dead I would wonder whether he had a hand in writing this “peace in our time” intelligence fiasco.


I wish the intelligence assessment were correct. So does most of the media, which accepted its naïve conclusion with uncritical enthusiasm. The world would be a far safer place if Iran had indeed ended its efforts to develop deliverable nuclear weapons. But wishing for a desirable outcome does not make it so. Pretending that a desirable outcome is happening, when the best information indicates that it’s not, only encourages the worst outcome.


The authors of this perverse report, which is influencing policy so immediately and negatively, will have much to answer for if their assessment results in a reduction of pressure on Iran—which is the only nation actually to threaten to use nuclear weapons to attack its enemies—to stop its obvious march toward becoming the world’s most dangerous nuclear military power.

Fanta46's photo
Fri 12/07/07 11:04 AM
I read that the Israeli military was felling alone and Isolated!!noway noway

adj4u's photo
Fri 12/07/07 11:09 AM
maybe the united states

is tired of defending the world

i am sure they know iran is

still pursuing nukes

but are tired of going it alone

after all europe is a lot easier for them to hit

than the states

so the states stop arguing over it

and look

what happens

imagine that

about time some one else fought their battle


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Fri 12/07/07 11:11 AM
If the world hates us now, how much more will they hate us if Iran nukes Israel and Europe after we have stated that Iran doesn't want or plan to get Nukes?

adj4u's photo
Fri 12/07/07 11:17 AM
well i guess germany france and england can still

go after them

why should we

who cares

if your friend tells you your brothers wife is not having an affair

when you know she is

is it your friends fault if you do nothing about it


Fanta46's photo
Fri 12/07/07 11:20 AM
I would almost bet that half our intelligence about Iran comes from the Iraeli's!!

Theres something else going on IMO!drinker

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