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You could also support the opposite of that, which has been proposed by a subset of the Republicans: reverse all American laws requiring safe working environments, end all anti-pollution controls, eliminate all worker rights entirely, and allow American companies to behave as badly and as corruptly as foreign companies do, so that the US wont be attractive any more. which is exactly where ultraconservative union busting republicans have been leading us for years. |
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Okay. Well, although there have been international invasions and government decapitations and imperial expansions such as you are advocating, which have happened repeatedly over the thousands of years humans have been around, there has never been an occasion where the strategy of "fixing" another country by invading it, ever actually worked. And although more thorough enforcement of existing laws against employing illegals might help, you wont find any support for it (past lip service) from either of the largest American political parties. The Republicans used to oppose any attempt to require national identity documentation, and though they've reversed course on that over the years, they are still adamantly opposed to spending the amount of money needed to actually enforce even the existing laws against employing illegals. No one supported Trump's campaign proposal to expand INS or the justice system enough to deal with existing cases, and neither party has supported investigation and prosecution of employers. If your goal is to make it less desirable to come to the US illegally, there are other options you could consider. Such as,put an end to allowing American companies to hire foreign workers at below living wages, even while they are still in their home countries; to prevent foreign companies from selling in the US market, if their national governments allow either slave labor, or oppression of the working classes. You could also support the opposite of that, which has been proposed by a subset of the Republicans: reverse all American laws requiring safe working environments, end all anti-pollution controls, eliminate all worker rights entirely, and allow American companies to behave as badly and as corruptly as foreign companies do, so that the US wont be attractive any more. But invasion and "repair" of foreign countries? It never works. I guess you read some of what I wrote... I'm not advocating invading anything. Read it again. I suggested that Canada and USA HELP Mexico not invade Mexico. Then, Canada, USA and Mexico HELP Guatemala, then Canada, USA, Mexico and Guatemala HELP Honduras and so on down the hemisphere until all the countries on the American Hemisphere are 1st world. Why is that such a difficult concept to understand? Earth has the technology and the resources yet the technology and resources are being withheld from global advancement by the stingy, "The Oppressors". Sorry if I misinterpreted. I keyed in on the phrases "Go in and permanently remove the oppression," and "Yes, warmongers and cartels would die. Oppressive regimes would be toppled and a lot of people would have to be jailed or eliminated." That read like invasion to me. I sure don't know how to do those things without invading. How exactly, mechanically, would the US and Canada accomplish this help, that's different from what we've been doing for decades? Taking Mexico as an example... The Mexican government already has a lethal action policy. Problem is, that lethal action is against its citizens not the oppressors. I think any change towards a 1st world nation would first need to be advice. To educate not just the people in the streets and fields but the people in power that are willing to advance their nation. They will need to identify the people and conditions that are preventing them from attaining that 'better life'. Then, once the problems are identified assistance can be supplied for the actions they determine to reach that goal. If its done right, some of the oppressors will convert to a better way of thinking. Only the die hard oppressors would have to be eliminated. Plus, they start eliminating oppressors, some will change their oppressive stance to avoid being killed. People, any people have the capacity to change if the motivation for change is done right. Rewards and punishments are very effective, just look at religion. Mechanically, begin with infrastructure (Highways, Bridges, High-speed Trains, Hospitals, Universities, Water Works, Electricty) Construct some cities, Erect residences, Build museums and parks, Clean up what is already there, Remodel. Put the people to work earning money they are allowed to keep and use to make their lives better. Get the billionares to contribute to national advancement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexicans_by_net_worth That list of 35 people is only a list of the ones that officially claim their wealth. Think about the billions that go unclaimed held by cartel leaders. There's plenty of money available. |
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The problem with Mexico and its been plaguing them since the 1970's is America's war on drugs.
It has made organized crime in Mexico too lucrative. they have the means and resources to pay off soldiers and police And if the law enforcement, judges are too harsh they are targeted . America sends sooooooo much money to the Mexican government to battle cartels that its a waste of time and money. When certain states legalized Marijuana it took a bite of out Cartel's revenue, and they know it. the best thing Canada, the US.and other countries can do is to legalize marijuana and decriminalize drug use, it will but a major dent in Cartel revenue and only then can one start the fight against cartels and talk about about cleaning up Mexico and making it a better place to live and less of their citizens coming to the USA illegally. my two cents. |
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The problem with Mexico and its been plaguing them since the 1970's is America's war on drugs. It has made organized crime in Mexico too lucrative. they have the means and resources to pay off soldiers and police And if the law enforcement, judges are too harsh they are targeted . America sends sooooooo much money to the Mexican government to battle cartels that its a waste of time and money. When certain states legalized Marijuana it took a bite of out Cartel's revenue, and they know it. the best thing Canada, the US.and other countries can do is to legalize marijuana and decriminalize drug use, it will but a major dent in Cartel revenue and only then can one start the fight against cartels and talk about about cleaning up Mexico and making it a better place to live and less of their citizens coming to the USA illegally. my two cents. Yeah, I stated earlier that the US War on Drugs was ineffective. This thread isn't really an exercise in cleaning up Mexico. Its more about reducing the illegal immigration to the US from 3rd world countries. Our 3rd world countries, as in the ones on this hemisphere. An illegal immigrant can't walk or drive from Honduras to England. And yes, we have illegal immigration from Cuba but they are a trickle compared to the land route and fairly easy to catch. Plus, there are world benefits to the elimination of oppression in 3rd world countries. People eat better and are healthier, their brains are fed too. Innovation and invention will increase because more people would be educated. In science fiction all utopian societies depict unity, all dystopian societies depict oppression. Oppression destroys unity. Human beings are social creatures. We pet each other and form social bonds. Oppression works against our social nature. I read a whole lot of reason why it can't be done. Its like greed and jealousy creating fear of unity. A planet populated by all 1st world nations hurts nothing, benefits everyone. |
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The problem with Mexico and its been plaguing them since the 1970's is America's war on drugs. It has made organized crime in Mexico too lucrative. they have the means and resources to pay off soldiers and police And if the law enforcement, judges are too harsh they are targeted . America sends sooooooo much money to the Mexican government to battle cartels that its a waste of time and money. When certain states legalized Marijuana it took a bite of out Cartel's revenue, and they know it. the best thing Canada, the US.and other countries can do is to legalize marijuana and decriminalize drug use, it will but a major dent in Cartel revenue and only then can one start the fight against cartels and talk about about cleaning up Mexico and making it a better place to live and less of their citizens coming to the USA illegally. my two cents. |
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You want to stop illegals from coming to the U.S.? Pass a law that heavily fines or revokes the business license of anybody who employs an illegal alien. I agree with this. And I am a contractor. Many in my field do in fact use illegals because they are cheaper. I don't and at time and during bidding it puts me at a disadvantage. Case in point, the pizzeria I used to go to for years. Naples authentic Italian restaurant.. big place look in the kitchen.. all Mexican cooking the food. The owner doesn't even bother to show up anymore. I won't spend my money there. Supply& demand Cut off ( or in this case fine) the demand and the supply dries up This is good suggestion !!! 
But will never happen, too many. Librals. Protesting and fighting against it. |
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Except you cannot prevent illegal immigration to the US until you stop what is plaguing those places like Mexico, Honduras and Colombia .
They are so poor that there is a huge gap between rich and poor, the rich works for the government or is in bed with the government or corrupts the government and the poor pays the price. If America is really serious about stopping illegal immigration it has to stop placating to the left and liberals and actually think about what is best for the country. So many on the left says if we dont let illegal immigration is who will work those jobs? and I say that is B.S. If the government stop subsidizing agriculture among other industries they can lose the businesses who are not making money and leave it business who actually makes money and has a better business plan and will hire the best people to work for them America needs to stop the war on drugs, its time to end it billions of dollars spent on the war and what has it accomplished? More agencies, more bureaucrats, More imprisoned people, underground economies, Victims and lots of innocent victims, the poor in America , Mexico and other third world nations paying the price. I don't blame Illegals for trying to come to america , people will go to where there is a little bit of hope. |
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Right now, there's very little to stop someone from entering Mexico and making their way illegally into the US. Its a selling point in favor of a wall being built on the US-Mexico border.
If Mexico were a 1st world nation with people that want to protect their way of life, their borders would be more secure. Less of a chance for illegals from the rest of the world to illegally enter the US because Mexico would take the brunt of the immigration. Then, Guatemala and Belize would be the borders needing protected. Make Guatemala and Belize 1st world and they too would have better border security. That boatload from Cuba would be checked and illegals detained for deportation. As the countries enter into 1st world status, borders would get better and better as the advancement progresses Southward. Now when a Colombian wants to illegally enter the US or Canada, they have to circumvent high border security of all the countries in between. This will result in less illegals making it to our borders. Additionally, with 1st world nations, more people will have the means to immigrate legally. They will have the mentality to understand the requirements needed to immigrate legally. They will have the opportunity to make the money needed to immigrate legally. If they have the opportunities afforded by 1st world status, fewer people will want to leave their home nation. I'm not rich but I don't wish to leave my country. I'd die to protect it. How many illegal immigrants would die to protect their home country? How many 3rd world people would die to protect their way of life? You make them 1st worlders and suddenly they start protecting their own, securing their borders, ousting oppressors. |
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I don't blame Illegals for trying to come to america , people will go to where there is a little bit of hope. American needs to put a Stop to this Now!! The US can help people stay in their own Country. Unless they are in Countries that are In Civil wars. |
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I didnt say they should be allowed to come to America, I said I dont blame them for attempting to come to America because America gives them a bit of hope.
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I didnt say they should be allowed to come to America, I said I dont blame them for attempting to come to America because America gives them a bit of hope. Essentially what I too am saying. Only difference is I am looking at it from the oppressed point of view. If the 'hope' is already at 'home', there is no desire to look for it elsewhere. American needs to put a Stop to this Now!!
The US can help people stay in their own Country. This thread is focusing on reducing illegal immigration to US and Canada from the 3rd world countries of this American hemisphere. It is the duty of 1st world countries to help 3rd world countries reach 1st world status. Too many benefits to ignore. Neighbors helping neighbors. We all want a better world. A better world for ourselves, our children and our grandchildren and their grandchildren. People leave their world of oppression because they also want a better world for themselves, their children, their grandchildren and their grandchildren. If they have that where they are, they won't want to leave. |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Thu 07/26/18 04:39 PM
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Having Immagration sanction cites, is one of the dumbest thing a State can do.
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Having Immagration sanction cites, are one of the dumbest things a State can do. toodygirl5 which party was the architect of sanctuary cities? |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Thu 07/26/18 04:45 PM
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Having Immagration sanction cites, are one of the dumbest things a State can do. toodygirl5 which party was the architect of sanctuary cities? Cannot answer for All States! In my State, one city has a Mayor , who is Democrat. He's been fighting for it. |
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Having Immagration sanction cites, are one of the dumbest things a State can do. toodygirl5 which party was the architect of sanctuary cities? Cannot answer for All States! In my State, one city has a Mayor , who is Democrat. He's been fighting for it. |
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They need to let All the people, who are for illegals, support them out of their pockets.
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They need to let All the people, who are for illegals, support them out of their pockets. toodygirl5 except all those wonderful moral leftists has no money, most likely no job, they are so broke that they cannot afford to pay attention. But they love to spend other people's money, the ones who actually earn their money. |
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Until the people of these countries get fed up enough that they are willing to fight for change..then nothing will happen..Sitting back waiting for others to free their country does not seem to be working..They need to organize a revolution and take their country back..no one is going to do it for them..and until they find themselves with no other option it's doubtful they will do anything but.. run.. We fought for our country and look at where we are now..maybe they should take notice and do something about theirs..instead of waiting for someone else to.. 
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Until the people of these countries get fed up enough that they are willing to fight for change..then nothing will happen..Sitting back waiting for others to free their country does not seem to be working..They need to organize a revolution and take their country back..no one is going to do it for them..and until they find themselves with no other option it's doubtful they will do anything but.. run.. We fought for our country and look at where we are now..maybe they should take notice and do something about theirs..instead of waiting for someone else to.. I agree but I also said 1st world countries should help 3rd world countries not do it for them. 1st Worlders have the technology and the experience to assist but ultimately, its the people in the 3rd world that have to want to make a better life for themselves. Oppression destroys unity. The Last Thing oppressors want is for their people to get unified under a common goal so they shut down any attempt at unity as soon as they detect it. The colonial United States had a few things in their favor in 1776. A big thing was the response time for the oppressive to bear force to beat back attempts by the colonists to unite. While there was an oppressive force locally, it was insignificant to the revolutionist population. Had there been today's communication and response time, the United states may not even exist. Just look at the Falklands War, a ten-week war between Argentina and the United Kingdom. While it was an invasion being repulsed it is an example of modern ability to act quickly on a threat. In 3rd world countries, the oppressors reside within those countries, can take immediate action against uprisings and unity and there is a unbalanced condition of resources between the oppressor and the oppressed. If you get cornered by a gang with guns, knives and chains by yourself, you will be oppressed. But, if the whole neighborhood comes to your aid with guns, knives and chains and outnumber the gang 30 to 1, you will not be oppressed. |
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and that is part of the problem Tom4Uhere, the average citizen is fine with status quo and wont do anything about it , they rather complain or seek other alternatives.
in most of these third world countries men who want change will always rise up and they get their cue from Lenin and bolsheviks and once they are in power they refuse to give up the power and becomes the oppressor. The citizens are the ones that pay the price. Finding a Nelson Mandela or Ghandi is as likely as one winning the powerball in your country. There is no simple solution the choice for now is making America an unattractive place for them to come. Just like how it unattractive for citizens to relocate to Mexico, Honduras or Colombia unless that is your mother tongue and you have money. |
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