Topic: Trump ends Obama seperation policy!
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Sat 06/23/18 12:27 PM


It is not about if illegals committed crimes after they got into US.

They are already criminals for crossing over without legal papers.

Children born here to illegal parents should be sent back with parents.



Good luck repealing the 14th amendment to the Constitution of the United States. It's not impossible, all you have to do, is get 75% of the states to agree with you.

Of course, if you succeed, then you put your children and grandchildren at risk of losing their citizenship as well.



Please!!! whoa

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Sat 06/23/18 12:32 PM

It is not about if illegals committed crimes after they got into US.

They are already criminals for crossing over without legal papers.

Children born here to illegal parents should be sent back with parents.




this is so simple to understand, I cant understand why the left cannot grasp something so simple,its not complex.


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Sat 06/23/18 12:40 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sat 06/23/18 12:40 PM



It is not about if illegals committed crimes after they got into US.

They are already criminals for crossing over without legal papers.

Children born here to illegal parents should be sent back with parents.



Good luck repealing the 14th amendment to the Constitution of the United States. It's not impossible, all you have to do, is get 75% of the states to agree with you.

Of course, if you succeed, then you put your children and grandchildren at risk of losing their citizenship as well.





Please!!! whoa


It's kind of amusing to find so-called "Americans" that thinks that the US Constitution only applies to them and no one else.

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Sat 06/23/18 12:43 PM
Edited by eric22t on Sat 06/23/18 12:44 PM




It is not about if illegals committed crimes after they got into US.

They are already criminals for crossing over without legal papers.

Children born here to illegal parents should be sent back with parents.



Good luck repealing the 14th amendment to the Constitution of the United States. It's not impossible, all you have to do, is get 75% of the states to agree with you.

Of course, if you succeed, then you put your children and grandchildren at risk of losing their citizenship as well.






Please!!! whoa


It's kind of amusing to find so-called "Americans" that thinks that the US Constitution only applies to them and no one else.

it's also quite amusing to see so-called "Americans" that don't even actually know what it is that the constitution actually says

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Sat 06/23/18 12:46 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sat 06/23/18 12:47 PM



It is not about if illegals committed crimes after they got into US.

They are already criminals for crossing over without legal papers.

Children born here to illegal parents should be sent back with parents.


Good luck repealing the 14th amendment to the Constitution of the United States. It's not impossible, all you have to do, is get 75% of the states to agree with you.

Of course, if you succeed, then you put your children and grandchildren at risk of losing their citizenship as well.

and again simply being born here is not instant citizenship according to the 14th.


Then you might be busy letting a few million people know that, as they take their children out of the maternity wards of hospitals all over this country.

I'll go back to my original example. Bruce Lee, born in San Francisco, left with his parents to return to China, returned 23 years later as an adult, with birth certificate in hand, and immediately accepted as a US citizen.

Care to explain that? Or was he simply an anomaly?

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Sat 06/23/18 01:02 PM
because his parents were legal registered aliens he qualified for dual nationality.
which requires me to retract an earlier statement that the us does not recognize dual citizenship was in error

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Sat 06/23/18 01:06 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sat 06/23/18 01:22 PM
LOL THEY WERE NOT! They were a married couple of actors on location with a traveling performing arts theater group.

They happened to be performing in San Francisco(Chinatown to be specific.) when Mrs. Lee gave birth.

Try again.

Perhaps this might point you in the right direction..

Lee's father, Lee Hoi-chuen, was one of the leading Cantonese opera and film actors at the time and was embarking on a year-long opera tour with his family on the eve of the Japanese invasion of Hong Kong. Lee Hoi-chuen had been touring the United States for many years and performing in numerous Chinese communities there.

Although many of his peers decided to stay in the US, Lee Hoi-chuen returned to Hong Kong after Bruce's birth. Within months, Hong Kong was invaded and the Lees lived for three years and eight months under Japanese occupation. After the war ended, Lee Hoi-chuen resumed his acting career and became a more popular actor during Hong Kong's rebuilding years.

Lee's mother, Grace Ho, was from one of the wealthiest and most powerful clans in Hong Kong, the Ho-tungs. She was the half-niece of Sir Robert Ho-tung,[20][31] the Eurasian patriarch of the clan. As such, the young Bruce Lee grew up in an affluent and privileged environment. Despite the advantage of his family's status, the neighborhood in which Lee grew up became overcrowded, dangerous, and full of gang rivalries due to an influx of refugees fleeing communist China for Hong Kong, at that time a British Crown colony.[29]

After Lee was involved in several street fights, his parents decided that he needed to be trained in the martial arts. Lee's first introduction to martial arts was through his father, from whom he learned the fundamentals of Wu-style t'ai chi ch'uan.[32]

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Sat 06/23/18 01:21 PM

LOL THEY WERE NOT! They were a married couple of actors on location with a traveling performing arts theater group.

They happened to be performing in San Francisco(Chinatown to be specific.) when Mrs. Lee gave birth.

Try again.

yes and they were here legally. they had had proper visas. therefore he qualifies.
i did not say they were naturalized citizens

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Sat 06/23/18 01:24 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sat 06/23/18 01:27 PM
Six of one, half dozen of the other..

By the way, a "legal registered alien" is aka a "green card holder"

Neither of the Lees had one.

https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/lawful-permanent-resident


Lawful Permanent Resident

Any person not a citizen of the United States who is living in the U.S. under legally recognized and lawfully recorded permanent residence as an immigrant. Also known as “permanent resident alien,” “resident alien permit holder,” and “Green Card holder.”

Permanent residents are also commonly referred to as immigrants; however, the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) broadly defines an immigrant as any alien in the United States, except one legally admitted under specific nonimmigrant categories (INA section 101(a)(15)). An illegal alien who entered the United States without inspection, for example, would be strictly defined as an immigrant under the INA but is not a permanent resident alien. Lawful permanent residents are legally accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States. They may be issued immigrant visas by the Department of State overseas or adjusted to permanent resident status by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in the United States.

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Sat 06/23/18 01:28 PM
Edited by eric22t on Sat 06/23/18 01:31 PM
well if they didn't then they would never have successfully survived the exit interviews they made it a point to have to insure bruce's us citizen ship was properly accounted for

here try this link

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/was-bruce-lee-of-english-descent

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Sat 06/23/18 01:30 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sat 06/23/18 01:35 PM
All they did, was what any parent does, put the birth certificate away in a safe place, until the day comes that the child needs it.

Birth certificate plus United States location equals American (or US if you prefer) citizenship.

In all fairness though, this country was in possession of a little more sanity at that time, and we didn't have a Klansman sitting in the Oval Office.

Believe it or not, there was a time in this country, where you could marry a person, and if you were a citizen, they became an American citizen on the spot. When I was in college, I had a friend that was paid $25,000 to marry a girl from Saudi Arabia. (Keep in mind this was in the late 70s early 80s).

He did it, she got her citizenship papers, he got paid, she sponsored her family, and it was the biggest mistake he ever made. He had an absolute nightmare trying to get divorced from her. The only way he managed to get out of it, was first to get an annulment, because he had never "consummated" the marriage.

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Sat 06/23/18 01:31 PM
try again and actually look at the link

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Sat 06/23/18 01:34 PM





and again simply being born here is not instant citizenship according to the 14th.

lol...i just gotta ask this question ?

what document absolutely proves, beyond any doubt, that
a person is a U.S. Citizen ?

hint: it is two words, the first begins with B and the second
begins with C...let me know if you can't figure it out...K

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Sat 06/23/18 01:38 PM

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Sat 06/23/18 01:48 PM
. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship.

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Sat 06/23/18 01:52 PM

. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship.


The person makes the claim of allegiance, not the country.

In a way that's kind of a shame. In a perfect world, Russia could claim Trump, and get him out of America's hair.

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Sat 06/23/18 02:00 PM
well, i guess that puts to rest all that fake fear
about "anchor babies"....who would have thunk there
is no such thing, all that fuss over something that
doesn't exist...spock

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Sat 06/23/18 02:00 PM
so you think 2 of the original crafters of the 14th screwed up by the numbers and your interpretation of what they crafted is what they really meant?

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Sat 06/23/18 02:05 PM

well, i guess that puts to rest all that fake fear
about "anchor babies"....who would have thunk there
is no such thing, all that fuss over something that
doesn't exist...spock
that's the problem argo. anchor babies truly have no claim. it is something that is being done and has been named but has no constitutional justification

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Sat 06/23/18 02:54 PM

. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship.


jurisdiction, once again, is referring to the status of the geography being under US jurisdiction, like embassies and territories ...